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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 19 2014,02:38) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 18 2014,20:21) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2014,05:51) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 18 2014,04:18) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2014,01:59) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 18 2014,01:01) T, Will you please answer my question?
khow could i ,it is a prophecy
T,Hardly as the man was speaking of David in either his own court or the court of his son Solomon.
kwell ,you tell me how this guy can do this ;
Ps 89:1 I will sing of the LORD'S great love forever;
with my mouth I will make your faithfulness known through all generations.
Ps 89:2 I will declare that your love stands firm forever,
that you established your faithfulness in heaven itself.show me how he could do that
T,It is the singer saying he will be one of those that sing of the Lord's great love forever. You already know of those who sing before the throne so you know the answer to how he can do that.
KPs 89:3 You said, “I have made a covenant with my chosen one,
I have sworn to David my servant,
Ps 89:4 ‘I will establish your line forever
and make your throne firm through all generations.’ ”AND NOW WHO IS THIS THAT THE GUY TALKS ABOUT
T,“I have sworn to David my servant, “
Sound like he is speaking to David. What say you?
Mike,
Quote And if this “Word” came forth from the mouth of God, then it was BROUGHT FORTH by God, Kerwin. That means it wasn't always there, but BEGAN to be at the moment God brought it forth from Himself.” God has always personified his word but other than that what you say sounds reasonable. Does brought forth mean it is one if God's creations?
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2014,21:50) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 19 2014,02:38) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 18 2014,20:21) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2014,05:51) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 18 2014,04:18) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2014,01:59) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 18 2014,01:01) T, Will you please answer my question?
khow could i ,it is a prophecy
T,Hardly as the man was speaking of David in either his own court or the court of his son Solomon.
kwell ,you tell me how this guy can do this ;
Ps 89:1 I will sing of the LORD'S great love forever;
with my mouth I will make your faithfulness known through all generations.
Ps 89:2 I will declare that your love stands firm forever,
that you established your faithfulness in heaven itself.show me how he could do that
T,It is the singer saying he will be one of those that sing of the Lord's great love forever. You already know of those who sing before the throne so you know the answer to how he can do that.
KPs 89:3 You said, “I have made a covenant with my chosen one,
I have sworn to David my servant,
Ps 89:4 ‘I will establish your line forever
and make your throne firm through all generations.’ ”AND NOW WHO IS THIS THAT THE GUY TALKS ABOUT
T,“I have sworn to David my servant, “
Sound like he is speaking to David. What say you?
kso was it God that spoke
yes but was it for David or for the offspring of David and was not the flesh offspring under a conditional covenant ;
Ps 89:30 “If his sons forsake my law (the sons meaning the believers in Christ )
and do not follow my statutes,
Ps 89:31 if they violate my decrees
and fail to keep my commands,
Ps 89:32 I will punish their sin with the rod,
their iniquity with flogging;
Ps 89:33 but I will not take my love from him,(Jesus Christ )
nor will I ever betray my faithfulness.
Ps 89:34 I will not violate my covenant
or alter what my lips have uttered.
Ps 89:35 Once for all, I have sworn by my holiness—
and I will not lie to David—(the greater David =Jesus Christ )
Ps 89:36 that his line will continue forever
and his throne endure before me like the sun;
Ps 89:37 it will be established forever like the moon,
the faithful witness in the sky.”now is it really David that is talked about or the greater DAVID THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH ALL THOSE THINGS ,THE ANOINTED ONE CALLED SON OF DAVID ,SON OF MAN ,SON OF GOD ,JESUS CHRIST ,THE WORD of God ,
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2014,09:53) Mike, Quote (mikeboll @ 64) And if this “Word” came forth from the mouth of God, then it was BROUGHT FORTH by God, Kerwin. That means it wasn't always there, but BEGAN to be at the moment God brought it forth from Himself. God has always personified his word but other than that what you say sounds reasonable.
Does brought forth mean it is one of God's creations?
Did God ever cause anything else to come into existence that WASN'T one of His creations?If God caused something to exist that didn't exist before, then God created that thing.
Don't you agree?
kerwin,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Quote I pointed out your flaw in one because you believe Jesus is an angel and Scriptures attests angels were not created before everything else.
Is this true Mike?
Do you really believe Jesus is an angel?
It's getting worse.Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 19 2014,22:10) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2014,21:50) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 19 2014,02:38) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 18 2014,20:21) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2014,05:51) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 18 2014,04:18) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2014,01:59) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 18 2014,01:01) T, Will you please answer my question?
khow could i ,it is a prophecy
T,Hardly as the man was speaking of David in either his own court or the court of his son Solomon.
kwell ,you tell me how this guy can do this ;
Ps 89:1 I will sing of the LORD'S great love forever;
with my mouth I will make your faithfulness known through all generations.
Ps 89:2 I will declare that your love stands firm forever,
that you established your faithfulness in heaven itself.show me how he could do that
T,It is the singer saying he will be one of those that sing of the Lord's great love forever. You already know of those who sing before the throne so you know the answer to how he can do that.
KPs 89:3 You said, “I have made a covenant with my chosen one,
I have sworn to David my servant,
Ps 89:4 ‘I will establish your line forever
and make your throne firm through all generations.’ ”AND NOW WHO IS THIS THAT THE GUY TALKS ABOUT
T,“I have sworn to David my servant, “
Sound like he is speaking to David. What say you?
kso was it God that spoke
yes but was it for David or for the offspring of David and was not the flesh offspring under a conditional covenant ;
Ps 89:30 “If his sons forsake my law (the sons meaning the believers in Christ )
and do not follow my statutes,
Ps 89:31 if they violate my decrees
and fail to keep my commands,
Ps 89:32 I will punish their sin with the rod,
their iniquity with flogging;
Ps 89:33 but I will not take my love from him,(Jesus Christ )
nor will I ever betray my faithfulness.
Ps 89:34 I will not violate my covenant
or alter what my lips have uttered.
Ps 89:35 Once for all, I have sworn by my holiness—
and I will not lie to David—(the greater David =Jesus Christ )
Ps 89:36 that his line will continue forever
and his throne endure before me like the sun;
Ps 89:37 it will be established forever like the moon,
the faithful witness in the sky.”now is it really David that is talked about or the greater DAVID THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH ALL THOSE THINGS ,THE ANOINTED ONE CALLED SON OF DAVID ,SON OF MAN ,SON OF GOD ,JESUS CHRIST ,THE WORD of God ,
T,Thank you for letting me hear your viewpoint.
God is the “you” in verses 2-3 who become I when he becomes the speaker.
God promised David he would have a decedent to sit on the throne after him. In verse 35 he said he would not lie David, which is another way of saying he would not break his word to David.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2014,03:21) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2014,09:53) Mike, Quote (mikeboll @ 64) And if this “Word” came forth from the mouth of God, then it was BROUGHT FORTH by God, Kerwin. That means it wasn't always there, but BEGAN to be at the moment God brought it forth from Himself. God has always personified his word but other than that what you say sounds reasonable.
Does brought forth mean it is one of God's creations?
Did God ever cause anything else to come into existence that WASN'T one of His creations?If God caused something to exist that didn't exist before, then God created that thing.
Don't you agree?
Mike,Wisdom was brought forth in the same way as the word even though God has always possessed it. If he had a first action then it was bringing forth wisdom, his word, or something of the like.
I know of no where in Scripture where it is said God created his word. God performed many action first but I doubt they were created by him.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 20 2014,16:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2014,03:21) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2014,09:53) Mike, Quote (mikeboll @ 64) And if this “Word” came forth from the mouth of God, then it was BROUGHT FORTH by God, Kerwin. That means it wasn't always there, but BEGAN to be at the moment God brought it forth from Himself. God has always personified his word but other than that what you say sounds reasonable.
Does brought forth mean it is one of God's creations?
Did God ever cause anything else to come into existence that WASN'T one of His creations?If God caused something to exist that didn't exist before, then God created that thing.
Don't you agree?
Mike,Wisdom was brought forth in the same way as the word even though God has always possessed it. If he had a first action then it was bringing forth wisdom, his word, or something of the like.
I know of no where in Scripture where it is said God created his word. God performed many action first but I doubt they were created by him.
I agree with you in that Kerwin.
God's Word was in Him from everlasting.
God did not have to create His Word;for it was in Him from
everlasting.
God's Word is also the everlasting father; prince of peace.Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
**The mighty God**,
**The everlasting Father**,
**The Prince of Peace**.Amen.
wakeup.
To All…….> The LORD our GOD and His words are ONE AND THE SAME, just as your words and you are, one and the same being. Not an OUNCE of Difference as concerning words, only you and I simple do not have HIS POWER, to bring about our words, like, God the Father does. Neither did or does Jesus. Jesus never did ONE MIRACLE “HIMSELF” it was GOD the FATHER who us “IN” him doing the WORKS. Just as He said. THE SON OF MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF,THE FATHER WHO IS IN HIM, “HE” DOES THE 'WORKS” Jesus took no Glory for what the Father was doing through Him. IMO
peace and love to you all………………………………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2014,11:49) K What about verse 36, and 37
T,Quote Ps 89:36 that his line will continue forever
and his throne endure before me like the sun;
Ps 89:37 it will be established forever like the moon,
the faithful witness in the sky.”David's line is still around and unless you consider Jesus' death as disqualifying him from fulfilling that Scripture, then he will always be.
Jesus' either sits or will sit on David's throne.
I do not know why the moon is said to be established forever or why it is said to be a faithful witness.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 21 2014,01:58) To All…….> The LORD our GOD and His words are ONE AND THE SAME, just as your words and you are, one and the same being. Not an OUNCE of Difference as concerning words, only you and I simple do not have HIS POWER, to bring about our words, like, God the Father does. Neither did or does Jesus. Jesus never did ONE MIRACLE “HIMSELF” it was GOD the FATHER who us “IN” him doing the WORKS. Just as He said. THE SON OF MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF,THE FATHER WHO IS IN HIM, “HE” DOES THE 'WORKS” Jesus took no Glory for what the Father was doing through Him. IMO peace and love to you all………………………………………gene
my word can not be addressed as HE.do you understand that?
unless you do not know basic english
Quote (jammin @ Feb. 20 2014,22:43) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 21 2014,01:58) To All…….> The LORD our GOD and His words are ONE AND THE SAME, just as your words and you are, one and the same being. Not an OUNCE of Difference as concerning words, only you and I simple do not have HIS POWER, to bring about our words, like, God the Father does. Neither did or does Jesus. Jesus never did ONE MIRACLE “HIMSELF” it was GOD the FATHER who us “IN” him doing the WORKS. Just as He said. THE SON OF MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF,THE FATHER WHO IS IN HIM, “HE” DOES THE 'WORKS” Jesus took no Glory for what the Father was doing through Him. IMO peace and love to you all………………………………………gene
my word can not be addressed as HE.do you understand that?
unless you do not know basic english
Jammin,In Koine Greek it is as word is masculine.
John 1:3-5
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.
4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
5 And that light shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 20 2014,21:32) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2014,11:49) K What about verse 36, and 37
T,Quote Ps 89:36 that his line will continue forever
and his throne endure before me like the sun;
Ps 89:37 it will be established forever like the moon,
the faithful witness in the sky.”David's line is still around and unless you consider Jesus' death as disqualifying him from fulfilling that Scripture, then he will always be.
Jesus' either sits or will sit on David's throne.
I do not know why the moon is said to be established forever or why it is said to be a faithful witness.
KYES ,I believe that it is talking about Christ the king of the Jews that will sit on the throne of David forever ,
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2014,23:40) Mike, Wisdom was brought forth in the same way as the word even though God has always possessed it.
Kerwin,Do you think literal wisdom is a living breathing entity, separate from God?
If not, then it is not the same thing.
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 19 2014,17:50) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2014,01:39) I pointed out your flaw in one because you believe Jesus is an angel and Scriptures attests angels were not created before everything else.
Is this true Mike?
Do you really believe Jesus is an angel?
I KNOW Jesus is an angel of God, journey. I know it because the scriptures tell me so.Bring that subject up in our private thread, and I will explain it to you.
Quote (jammin @ Feb. 20 2014,10:43) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 21 2014,01:58) To All…….> The LORD our GOD and His words are ONE AND THE SAME, just as your words and you are, one and the same being. Not an OUNCE of Difference as concerning words, only you and I simple do not have HIS POWER, to bring about our words, like, God the Father does. Neither did or does Jesus. Jesus never did ONE MIRACLE “HIMSELF” it was GOD the FATHER who us “IN” him doing the WORKS. Just as He said. THE SON OF MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF,THE FATHER WHO IS IN HIM, “HE” DOES THE 'WORKS” Jesus took no Glory for what the Father was doing through Him. IMO peace and love to you all………………………………………gene
my word can not be addressed as HE.do you understand that?
unless you do not know basic english
And if I say the word “elephant”, I don't BECOME an elephant, Gene.My words are not “ME”. They are my words.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2014,11:16) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 19 2014,17:50) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2014,01:39) I pointed out your flaw in one because you believe Jesus is an angel and Scriptures attests angels were not created before everything else.
Is this true Mike?
Do you really believe Jesus is an angel?
I KNOW Jesus is an angel of God, journey. I know it because the scriptures tell me so.Bring that subject up in our private thread, and I will explain it to you.
Mike B.Angels are created creatures.
The Word of God is not created.He was with God from everlasting.
Since God was; the Word was.
Given a form,*based*(basic ingredient) on the Word.Just as we will be given a form based on the Word of God *in us*.Without the Word of God in us;there will be no form given.
This is called the resurrection of the dead and the living,
who has the Word of God in them.
An empty soul/naked, will not be resurrected.
There is no base to work on; to give them a form.Some have none;some have a little;some have much.
Ones with none, will be in darkness forever.
Ones with a little, will be a dim star.
Ones with much, will a shining star.
In God's house are many mansions.Different vessels.
Some are of clay.(the clay mansion).(level).(plain).
Some are of wood.(the wood mansion).(level).(plain).
Some are of iron.(the iron mansion).(level).(plain).
Some are of silver. (the silver mansion).(level).(plain).
Some are of gold.(gold mansion).(level).(plain).Some are greater than others in the Kingdom of heaven.
Yet,there wil be no discriminations.
All angels are not of the same rank.
(too much for you to take)?wakeup
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2014,06:14) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2014,23:40) Mike, Wisdom was brought forth in the same way as the word even though God has always possessed it.
Kerwin,Do you think literal wisdom is a living breathing entity, separate from God?
If not, then it is not the same thing.
Mike,I believe God's Wisdom took on the attribute of being a person at the same time God's Word as you cannot have one without the other.
I have more to say but I am not at my best right now.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 21 2014,10:50) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 20 2014,22:43) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 21 2014,01:58) To All…….> The LORD our GOD and His words are ONE AND THE SAME, just as your words and you are, one and the same being. Not an OUNCE of Difference as concerning words, only you and I simple do not have HIS POWER, to bring about our words, like, God the Father does. Neither did or does Jesus. Jesus never did ONE MIRACLE “HIMSELF” it was GOD the FATHER who us “IN” him doing the WORKS. Just as He said. THE SON OF MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF,THE FATHER WHO IS IN HIM, “HE” DOES THE 'WORKS” Jesus took no Glory for what the Father was doing through Him. IMO peace and love to you all………………………………………gene
my word can not be addressed as HE.do you understand that?
unless you do not know basic english
Jammin,In Koine Greek it is as word is masculine.
John 1:3-5
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.
4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
5 And that light shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.
you dont know greek kerwin. your argument here proves that you do not have enough knowledge about the greek language.
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