JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[942767]

Hi Mike:

You ask:

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Marty, WHOSE name is called “The Word of God” in Rev 19:13?

I have already discussed this with you, and what it means.   And by the way, the name “Michael” means “who is like God”.

Jesus was sent into the world when his ministry to the world began.

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Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.   Jhn 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. Jhn 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. Jhn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Jhn 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. Jhn 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Oct. 24 2013,07:39)

T, 2 Corinthians 5:19 For God was in Christ , reconciling the world to himself. Jesus said: “My Father who is 'in me'…”

2bee

2Co 5:16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
2Co 5:18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
2Co 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
2Co 6:1 As God’s fellow workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain.
2Co 6:2 For he says,
“In the time of my favor I heard you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you.”

it seems you are not informed in truth

is this why you hardly quote the full scriptures

[carmel]

kerwin,Oct. wrote:

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So you are basically claiming the Word is the Holy Spirit. You previously claimed the Jesus' soul was the Holy Spirit. I agree the Spirit moved and God spoke and then there was light.  I do not agree that God's spoken word literally transformed into light. I do not agree that the Spirit is Jesus' soul.

Kerwin,

YOU STATED: So you are basically claiming the Word is the Holy Spirit.

THROUGHOUT MY POSTS I STATED THAT THE WORD  IS THE SON’S SPIRIT, THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR CREATOR GOD! AND HE CREATED OUR WORLD!

THAT MEANS THAT THE SON’S SPIRIT WAS IN FULL POWER OF ALMIGHTY GOD:

SO WITHIN HIM HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT,

AND WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE FATHER’S SPIRIT!

SO BOTH A TRIUNE GOD, AND ALSO AS ONE! THERFORE FOUR SPIRITS!

SO THE WORD WAS NOT JUST ONE SPIRIT!

THEREFORE IT IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT!

AND THE FATHER STILL REMAINED THE ALMIGHTY IN HIS FULL POWER IN HEAVEN!

THEN YOU ALSO SAID: You previously claimed that Jesus' soul was the Holy Spirit.

NOW REFLECT:

ABOVE I SAID THAT THE WORD THE SON’S SPIRIT, WITHIN HIM HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT ,THE FATHER’S SPIRIT!

NOW, WHEN THE WORD BECAME FLESH, THE SON’S SPIRIT BECAME

THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS CHRIST,

THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH WAS ALWAYS WITHIN THE SON’S SPIRIT BECAME JESUS’ SOUL,

AND THE FATHER’S SPIRIT WHICH WAS ALWAYS WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAME JESUS’ SPIRIT!

SO FIRST,  THESE THREE SPIRITS WHERE ALL IN THE WORD THE SON’S SPIRIT, WHEN THEY CREATED OUR WORLD, AND THEN THEY WERE ALL IN THE WORD MADE FLESH,THE  SON’S SPIRIT, WHEN HE WAS AS A FLESH BODY, BORN AS MAN JESUS CHRIST!

YOU CONCLUDED AND SAID: .  I do not agree that God's spoken word literally transformed into light.

YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU LIKE!

BUT YES, GOD THE FATHER SPOKE, AND HIS WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE!

SO WHATEVER GOD PRONOUNCES IT BECOMES WHATEVER HE WANTS TO! WHETHER IT IS LIGHT, DARKNESS, PLANET, FISH, AND SO ON INSTANTLY!

NOW ANSWER:

CAN THE FATHER ABIDES WITHIN SOMETHING INFERIOR TO HIMSELF?

THEREFORE THE FATHER ABIDED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT HAD TO BE JESUS' SOUL IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER TO OWN BOTH A SOUL, AND A FLESH BODY, FROM HIS OWN GENUINE PURE SPIRIT SUBSTANCE!

NOW READ:

JEREMIAH 32:41 And I will rejoice over them, when I shall do them good: and I will plant them in this land in truth,

WITH MY WHOLE HEART,AND WITH ALL MY SOUL. BOTH JESUS'

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[carmel]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2013,01:09)

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Carmel. Please go back to the Holy bible.

WAKEUP,

WAKEUP AND BE SPECIFIC!

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[2besee]

Terraricca said:

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2Co 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ it seems you are not informed in truth

Which Bible are you quoting?

New Living Translation
For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself

New American Standard Bible
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself

King James Bible
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For God was in The Messiah- he who
reconciled the universe with his Majesty

Jubilee Bible 2000
for certainly God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself

King James 2000 Bible
That is, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself

American King James Version
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself

American Standard Version
to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself

Douay-Rheims Bible
For God indeed was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself

Darby Bible Translation
how that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself

English Revised Version
to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself

Webster's Bible Translation
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself

Weymouth New Testament
We are to tell how God was in Christ
reconciling the world to Himself

World English Bible
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself

Young's Literal Translation
how that God was in Christ — a world
reconciling to Himself

God was in Christ.
Do you deny this?
You must do seeing you claim I am not informed in truth for quoting a scripture and believing that scripture.

[2besee]

Mike,
I continued on to the NEXT part of the sentence.
Please click on each link to see it is a different page I am on.

IN the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and God was IN (en) the word.

http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-1.htm

He was IN (en) the beginning with God.

http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-2.htm

IN (en) him was life, and the life was the light of men.

http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-4.htm

That is not nonsense! It fits in perfectly. The word is not “WITH”, the word is “IN”!

God was IN (en) Christ, reconciling the world to himself. 2 Corinthians 5:19

http://biblehub.com/text/2_corinthians/5-19.htm

And a thought : which beginning is it speaking about?

Mark begins with the same narrative:

Mark  1:1 The beginning of the Good News of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.  As it is written in the prophets, “Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way before you.   The voice of one crying in the wilderness, 'Make ready the way of the Lord! Make his paths straight!'”

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Oct. 25 2013,02:41)

Terraricca said: Quote 2Co 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ it seems you are not informed in truth Which Bible are you quoting? New Living Translation For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself New American Standard Bible namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself King James Bible To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself Aramaic Bible in Plain English For God was in The Messiah- he who reconciled the universe with his Majesty Jubilee Bible 2000 for certainly God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself King James 2000 Bible That is, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself American King James Version To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself American Standard Version to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself Douay-Rheims Bible For God indeed was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself Darby Bible Translation how that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself English Revised Version to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself Webster's Bible Translation To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself Weymouth New Testament We are to tell how God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself World English Bible namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself Young's Literal Translation how that God was in Christ — a world reconciling to Himself God was in Christ. Do you deny this? You must do seeing you claim I am not informed in truth for quoting a scripture and believing that scripture.

2bee

2Co 5:16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
2Co 5:18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
2Co 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
2Co 6:1 As God’s fellow workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain.
2Co 6:2 For he says,
“In the time of my favor I heard you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you.” NIV 1984

2Co 5:16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one from a human point of view; even though we once knew Christ from a human point of view, we know him no longer in that way. 17 So if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: everything old has passed away; see, everything has become new! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. 20 So we are ambassadors for Christ, since God is making his appeal through us; we entreat you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. NRSVB.

2 Corinthians 5:18 Click this icon to open a printer friendly page
Context
NET ©
And all these things are from God who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and who has given us the ministry of reconciliation.
NIV ©
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
NASB ©
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
NLT ©
All this newness of life is from God, who brought us back to himself through what Christ did. And God has given us the task of reconciling people to him.
MSG ©
All this comes from the God who settled the relationship between us and him, and then called us to settle our relationships with each other.
BBE ©
But all things are of God, who has made us at peace with himself through Christ, and has given to us the work of making peace;
NRSV ©
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation;
NKJV ©
Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,

see it says THROUGH CHRIST(verse 19) so wen in verse 18 it says IN it means BY him through his dead ;READ THE CONTEXT,

[Wakeup]

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 25 2013,06:53)

Wakeup,Oct. wrote: [/quote] Quote Carmel. Please go back to the Holy bible. WAKEUP, WAKEUP AND BE SPECIFIC! Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Carmel.

Your interpretation regarding the creation/God/Jesus
and satan is not scriptural.
God is from everlasting and in him is.
1. Love.
2. Life.
3.His Word.
4.Truth/Holy spirit.
5.Wisdom.
6.Power.
7. Compassion.
8.Mercy.
9.Patience.
10.Forgiving.

Regarding lucifer/satan:
He is a creature/created.
It is God that is holding the axe in His hand.
(isaiah. 10:15).

wakeup.

[2besee]

T,

theos eimi en christo
God in Christ

http://biblehub.com/text/2_corinthians/5-19.htm

God was in Christ.

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who
lives in me does his works. John 14:10

Do you still not believe that God was in Christ?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,08:09)

Carmel. Please go back to the Holy bible. wakeup.

I was thinking the same thing, Wakeup. I have no idea where he finds these teachings. I've read the Bible 5 times now, and haven't ever read the stuff Charles preaches.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 24 2013,08:46)

Hi Mike: You ask: Quote Marty, WHOSE name is called “The Word of God” in Rev 19:13? I have already discussed this with you, and what it means.

The answer is “Jesus”, Marty. That is the answer to my question.

Jesus is the one whose name is called “The Word of God”.

(BTW, Jesus is also the one who is called by that same name in John 1)

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Oct. 25 2013,05:07)

T, theos eimi en christo God in Christ http://biblehub.com/text/2_corinthians/5-19.htm God was in Christ. Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. John 14:10 Do you still not believe that God was in Christ?

2BEE

what Christ is saying ,is that what he does and says is IN according to God's will ,Christ came to accomplish and fulfill the will of his father ,as a servant ,not as someone that has been overpowered by someone else ,Christ did all that voluntary,no need to have an implant,

read context

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ Oct. 24 2013,14:55)

Mike, I continued on to the NEXT part of the sentence. Please click on each link to see it is a different page I am on. IN the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and God was IN (en) the word. http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-4.htm That is not nonsense! It fits in perfectly. The word is not “WITH”, the word is “IN”!

2B,

You have somehow confused yourself.

Click on the link I left in your quote box above. Notice that the first Greek word is “en”, and means “in”.

Now look at the fourth Greek word. It is “en” – with a line over the top of the e, and it means “was”.

I promise you that they are NOT the same Greek word.

[2besee]

Mike you are right. I really thought I was onto something then.

[2besee]

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Now look at the fourth Greek word. It is “en” – with a line over the top of the e , and it means “was”.

eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Short Definition: I am, exist
Definition: I am, exist.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,07:26)

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2013,07:13) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,06:18) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 24 2013,06:14) All, The same word “IN” (en) is used: IN the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and God was IN the word. http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-1.htm NOT “God was the word” – but, “God was in the word”. That might solve alot of problems. 2BE so now we have God being in someone /thing in the beginning ,??? where in scriptures is that new revelation T, Have you read the Scripture where Paul states he is in his words?  Do you understand 2 Corinthians 10:11? k 2Co 10:10 For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible. 2Co 10:11 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present. Paul was strong in his written words ,but apparently in real live he was a man of no stature ,(small,no real imposing his person,) but I do not see were you try to get at

T,

I never looked at that passage like you. When I listen to it I hear of some that accused Paul of having a weak presence with worthless words when he was there in his body but that when he was a way and wrote his words became strong and powerful. After that he said what we are in our words when we are absent we will be in our actions when present.

The whole passage about Paul being in his words though what I was mostly referring to is the phrase “we are in word by letters “.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2013,06:58)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,07:26) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2013,07:13) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,06:18) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 24 2013,06:14) All, The same word “IN” (en) is used: IN the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and God was IN the word. http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-1.htm NOT “God was the word” – but, “God was in the word”. That might solve alot of problems. 2BE so now we have God being in someone /thing in the beginning ,??? where in scriptures is that new revelation T, Have you read the Scripture where Paul states he is in his words?  Do you understand 2 Corinthians 10:11? k 2Co 10:10 For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible. 2Co 10:11 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present. Paul was strong in his written words ,but apparently in real live he was a man of no stature ,(small,no real imposing his person,) but I do not see were you try to get at T, I never looked at that passage like you.  When I listen to it I hear of some that accused Paul of having a weak presence with worthless words when he was there in his body but that when he was a way and wrote his words became strong and powerful.  After that he said what we are in our words when we are absent we will be in our actions when present. The whole passage about Paul being in his words though what I was mostly referring to is the phrase “we are in word by letters “.

k

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Paul of having a weak presence with worthless words

this to me is wrong ;because how could Paul be different in his letters than when he speak cannot be ;but it was his stature as a man ,but the letters and his words would always be the same and so would be his actions

[kerwin]

carmel,

A soul is composed of spirit but the Spirit is not the soul.  The Spirit is something to be lived by and the soul does the living.  

Leviticus 5:15
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

15 If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the Lord; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the Lord a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering:

Galatians 5:19-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2013,07:07)

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2013,06:58) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,07:26) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2013,07:13) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,06:18) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 24 2013,06:14) All, The same word “IN” (en) is used: IN the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and God was IN the word. http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-1.htm NOT “God was the word” – but, “God was in the word”. That might solve alot of problems. 2BE so now we have God being in someone /thing in the beginning ,??? where in scriptures is that new revelation T, Have you read the Scripture where Paul states he is in his words?  Do you understand 2 Corinthians 10:11? k 2Co 10:10 For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible. 2Co 10:11 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present. Paul was strong in his written words ,but apparently in real live he was a man of no stature ,(small,no real imposing his person,) but I do not see were you try to get at T, I never looked at that passage like you.  When I listen to it I hear of some that accused Paul of having a weak presence with worthless words when he was there in his body but that when he was a way and wrote his words became strong and powerful.  After that he said what we are in our words when we are absent we will be in our actions when present. The whole passage about Paul being in his words though what I was mostly referring to is the phrase “we are in word by letters “. k Quote Paul of having a weak presence with worthless words this to me is wrong ;because how could Paul be different in his letters than when he speak cannot be ;but it was his stature as a man ,but the letters and his words would always be the same and so would be his actions

T,

I am not as bold when I am around people as I am when I am away.

I don't think Paul suffered the same insecurities as I do and so I figure that accusations were false.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2013,07:22)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2013,07:07) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2013,06:58) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,07:26) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2013,07:13) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,06:18) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 24 2013,06:14) All, The same word “IN” (en) is used: IN the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and God was IN the word. http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-1.htm NOT “God was the word” – but, “God was in the word”. That might solve alot of problems. 2BE so now we have God being in someone /thing in the beginning ,??? where in scriptures is that new revelation T, Have you read the Scripture where Paul states he is in his words?  Do you understand 2 Corinthians 10:11? k 2Co 10:10 For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible. 2Co 10:11 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present. Paul was strong in his written words ,but apparently in real live he was a man of no stature ,(small,no real imposing his person,) but I do not see were you try to get at T, I never looked at that passage like you.  When I listen to it I hear of some that accused Paul of having a weak presence with worthless words when he was there in his body but that when he was a way and wrote his words became strong and powerful.  After that he said what we are in our words when we are absent we will be in our actions when present. The whole passage about Paul being in his words though what I was mostly referring to is the phrase “we are in word by letters “. k Quote Paul of having a weak presence with worthless words this to me is wrong ;because how could Paul be different in his letters than when he speak cannot be ;but it was his stature as a man ,but the letters and his words would always be the same and so would be his actions T, I am not as bold when I am around people as I am when I am away.   I don't think Paul suffered the same insecurities as I do and so I figure that accusations were false.

K

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I don't think Paul suffered the same insecurities as I do and so I figure that accusations were false.

I do not think for a moment that Paul suffered from insecurity,what usually is triggered by a lack of good and true understanding in the knowledge of what will be the topic of discussion ,”I WOULD ALSO FEEL UNSECURED THEN”

this in Paul case was not a accusation but a acknowledgment of what they could see or notice when they compare his letters and his public talks ,

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