JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[kerwin]

T,

The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35)

T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant.

what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago ,

which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39)

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph

T,

The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference.

Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes.

Luke 2:21
King James Version (KJV)

21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:57)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph T, The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference. Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes. Luke 2:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

K

it is useless to talk to you ,you always have your new question and answer ,and so do not participate in anything but yourself ,

have a great day

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,07:33)

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph T, The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference. Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes. Luke 2:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. K it is useless to talk to you ,you always have your new question and answer ,and so do not participate in anything but yourself , have a great day

T,

I am to always have an answer, though sadly I do not have a concrete one at all times. My answer was in line with the topic of this conversation but it may not have answered your own post as I was not quite sure of what you meant.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,15:32)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,07:33) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph T, The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference. Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes. Luke 2:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. K it is useless to talk to you ,you always have your new question and answer ,and so do not participate in anything but yourself , have a great day   T, I am to always have an answer, though sadly I do not have a concrete one at all times. My answer was in line with the topic of this conversation but it may not have answered your own post as I was not quite sure of what you meant.

K

so you are really answered a topic just for the fun of it ,disregarding if what is true or not

hummm ,strange ,i do not ,

so in one way if i understand your game ,;you play the cards ;like ;not in topic—and then “i not sure i got the question ?—and then “change the question ?— and then “i am a student :” this one would be your last resource right

but by all means you will try not to get to the truth of you real true knowledge of any thing you decide not to believe in scriptures ,YES,right

TELL ME HOW FAIR IS THAT TO ME ,???OR TO ANYONE THAT AS A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ? I RATHER TALK TO A WALL OF BRICK, AND KEEP SILENCE ,SO THEY DO NOT PUT ME IN A STRAIT JACKED

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 10 2013,18:29)

Kerwin go and read what Jodi Lee has written in the debate she is having with T8 and Mike.

Hi Gene,

That debate is between t8, myself, and a fellow named jb.

Jodi Lee is not involved in the debate, and never has been.

In fact, the debate is closed to all except t8, myself, and jb……… as the title suggests.

I keep deleting your posts on that thread, but you keep on posting more. Please respect the fact that the debate on that thread is CURRENTLY between only three people.

Perhaps it will be opened up to others in the future. But for now, please don't comment there.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2013,20:10)

The only ones you find are in reference to Jesus because you choose to believe conceive means a different thing when in reference to him.

And what does “born” generally mean?  Yet Jesus was the “firstborn from the dead”, right?  Typically, “born” signifies the beginning of the existence of someone.  But that would mean that Jesus' existence STARTED when he was born from the dead, right?

Yet we know that he pre-existed this “birth” from the dead, right?

Kerwin, Micah 5:2 says that Jesus' origins were from days of old, from ancient times.  How can being conceived in Mary be his literal beginning, when his origins had already been from “days of old” – many years before Mary even existed?

What you seem to be claiming is that it is impossible for God to take the “essence” of a long-existing spirit being, and cause that “essence” to be conceived in the womb of a human woman.

But God could do that today with Michael the archangel if He wanted.  He could cause Michael, who has already existed for eons, to be CONCIEVED in the womb of a human woman if He wanted to.  Do you deny that God could do this?

Consider also that Jesus hinted that John the Baptist was Elijah.  It he was speaking literally about this, then Elijah had already been conceived once – years before he was conceived a second time in the womb of Elizabeth.

Try not to put “impossible” labels on things God can and can't do.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ Sep. 11 2013,16:12)

JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? Jn.3:17   “For  God  did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

Your post brought something to mind, Abe.

Kerwin, in what way did your understanding of “Word of God” become flesh?

Don't you believe that a long-existing “word/archangel thing” was placed in Mary's womb and resulted in the human being Jesus Christ?

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,16:04)

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,15:32) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,07:33) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph T, The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference. Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes. Luke 2:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. K it is useless to talk to you ,you always have your new question and answer ,and so do not participate in anything but yourself , have a great day   T, I am to always have an answer, though sadly I do not have a concrete one at all times. My answer was in line with the topic of this conversation but it may not have answered your own post as I was not quite sure of what you meant. K so you are really answered a topic just for the fun of it ,disregarding if what is true or not hummm ,strange ,i do not , so in one way if i understand your game ,;you play the cards ;like ;not in topic—and then “i not sure i got the question ?—and then “change the question ?— and then “i  am  a student :” this one would be your last resource right but by all means you will try not to get to the truth of you real true knowledge of any thing you decide not to believe in scriptures ,YES,right TELL ME HOW FAIR IS THAT TO ME ,???OR TO ANYONE THAT AS A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ? I RATHER TALK TO A WALL OF BRICK, AND KEEP SILENCE ,SO THEY DO NOT PUT ME IN A STRAIT JACKED

T,

You have now switched to a new topic. My last answer is from Scripture though my self critique is not.

I am a student and some of my answers are made as a way to seek knowledge, though they may reveal my lack of knowledge. I put them forth to be tested. It is the scientific method of learning and some do it instinctively.

There are also things I have learned are true thru the process of testing. It is good to test your life and your teachings.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 13 2013,05:11)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,16:04) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,15:32) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,07:33) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph T, The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference. Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes. Luke 2:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. K it is useless to talk to you ,you always have your new question and answer ,and so do not participate in anything but yourself , have a great day   T, I am to always have an answer, though sadly I do not have a concrete one at all times. My answer was in line with the topic of this conversation but it may not have answered your own post as I was not quite sure of what you meant. K so you are really answered a topic just for the fun of it ,disregarding if what is true or not hummm ,strange ,i do not , so in one way if i understand your game ,;you play the cards ;like ;not in topic—and then “i not sure i got the question ?—and then “change the question ?— and then “i  am  a student :” this one would be your last resource right but by all means you will try not to get to the truth of you real true knowledge of any thing you decide not to believe in scriptures ,YES,right TELL ME HOW FAIR IS THAT TO ME ,???OR TO ANYONE THAT AS A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ? I RATHER TALK TO A WALL OF BRICK, AND KEEP SILENCE ,SO THEY DO NOT PUT ME IN A STRAIT JACKED T, You have now switched to a new topic.  My last answer is from Scripture though my self critique is not.   I am a student and some of my answers are made as a way to seek knowledge, though they may reveal my lack of knowledge.  I put them forth to be tested.  It is the scientific method of learning and some do it instinctively.   There are also things I have learned are true thru the process of testing.  It is good to test your life and your teachings.

k

you have to test the things of the world with the thing of the world and test the things of God with the things of God ,

if you do not do so you are in error and lack understanding of the things of God and are declare unwise by God ,

now for your verse you quote Luke 2;21 what is that verse tells you ;without you adding or take away anything

[kerwin]

Mike,

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Kerwin, Micah 5:2 says that Jesus' origins were from days of old, from ancient times.  How can being conceived in Mary be his literal beginning, when his origins had already been from “days of old” – many years before Mary even existed?

An example:

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PsychFit originated as an idea that has been circulating in the mind of its founder, Jane Baxter, PhD, CPT, for over ten years. In her own words, Dr. Baxter explains: “My thinking around creating PsychFit originated back in the early ’90’s when I was getting my Master’s in Social Work. I was learning a lot about self-destructive behaviors and the depression and anxiety that usually results. The standard treatment practice was and continues to be a combination of psychotherapy, and if needed, medication. Exercise has always been thrown in there as important, but never officially stressed as a necessary component of symptom alleviation. Eating habits really weren’t mentioned at all as a way of helping with mood problems.

PhschFit’s origins are from the 90’s though it was not put in action as a program until later.  Jesus' origins are from the point when the idea for him first came to be in Jehovah's head.

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And what does “born” generally mean?  Yet Jesus was the “firstborn from the dead”, right?  Typically, “born” signifies the beginning of the existence of someone.  But that would mean that Jesus' existence STARTED when he was born from the dead, right?

“born “can be used figuratively or even loosely applies, such as for a chicken but there is no evidence in the context that this has been done with conceived in:
Luke 2:21
King James Version (KJV)

21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

If it was instead written in an account:
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called John, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb
Then you would not believe John existed before he was conceived.

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Consider also that Jesus hinted that John the Baptist was Elijah.  It he was speaking literally about this, then Elijah had already been conceived once – years before he was conceived a second time in the womb of Elizabeth.

That is reincarnation and involves the soul entering a new body and not one that already exists.

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What you seem to be claiming is that it is impossible for God to take the “essence” of a long-existing spirit being, and cause that “essence” to be conceived in the womb of a human woman. But God could do that today with Michael the archangel if He wanted.  He could cause Michael, who has already existed for eons, to be CONCEIVED in the womb of a human woman if He wanted to.  Do you deny that God could do this?

It is not about God’s powers but about the meaning of the word conceived and how it is used in Scripture.  The word conceived’s meaning in the context of Luke 2:21 does not allow for it.  

As it sits, origins can be used to speak of when the idea of Jesus first came to be in God’s head and conceived is speaking of the flesh.  The meaning of conceived does not allow Jesus’ body to have existed previously to when it was conceived in Mary’s womb.  It does not mean an “essence” did not come and inhabit human flesh though in order to be fully human that essence would have to also be human.

Note: My quote is from PsychFit.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,07:14)

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 13 2013,05:11) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,16:04) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,15:32) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,07:33) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph T, The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference. Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes. Luke 2:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. K it is useless to talk to you ,you always have your new question and answer ,and so do not participate in anything but yourself , have a great day   T, I am to always have an answer, though sadly I do not have a concrete one at all times. My answer was in line with the topic of this conversation but it may not have answered your own post as I was not quite sure of what you meant. K so you are really answered a topic just for the fun of it ,disregarding if what is true or not hummm ,strange ,i do not , so in one way if i understand your game ,;you play the cards ;like ;not in topic—and then “i not sure i got the question ?—and then “change the question ?— and then “i  am  a student :” this one would be your last resource right but by all means you will try not to get to the truth of you real true knowledge of any thing you decide not to believe in scriptures ,YES,right TELL ME HOW FAIR IS THAT TO ME ,???OR TO ANYONE THAT AS A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ? I RATHER TALK TO A WALL OF BRICK, AND KEEP SILENCE ,SO THEY DO NOT PUT ME IN A STRAIT JACKED T, You have now switched to a new topic.  My last answer is from Scripture though my self critique is not.   I am a student and some of my answers are made as a way to seek knowledge, though they may reveal my lack of knowledge.  I put them forth to be tested.  It is the scientific method of learning and some do it instinctively.   There are also things I have learned are true thru the process of testing.  It is good to test your life and your teachings. k you have to test the things of the world with the thing of the world and test the things of God with the things of God , if you do not do so you are in error and lack understanding of the things of God and are declare unwise by God , now for your verse you quote Luke 2;21 what is that verse tells you ;without you adding or take away anything

T,

The scientific method of learning is only a tool and like the vast majority of tools it is given by God but can be used to advance the things of God or the things of this world.  Which it used used for depends on the spirit of the user.

Scripture teaches us to use it wisely with the instructions “test the spirit” and “watch your life and your doctrine”.

Luke 2;21 clearly states Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb and therefore not outside of it; which happens when a child is implanted in a woman's womb.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 14 2013,03:25)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,07:14) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 13 2013,05:11) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,16:04) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,15:32) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,07:33) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph T, The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference. Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes. Luke 2:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. K it is useless to talk to you ,you always have your new question and answer ,and so do not participate in anything but yourself , have a great day   T, I am to always have an answer, though sadly I do not have a concrete one at all times. My answer was in line with the topic of this conversation but it may not have answered your own post as I was not quite sure of what you meant. K so you are really answered a topic just for the fun of it ,disregarding if what is true or not hummm ,strange ,i do not , so in one way if i understand your game ,;you play the cards ;like ;not in topic—and then “i not sure i got the question ?—and then “change the question ?— and then “i  am  a student :” this one would be your last resource right but by all means you will try not to get to the truth of you real true knowledge of any thing you decide not to believe in scriptures ,YES,right TELL ME HOW FAIR IS THAT TO ME ,???OR TO ANYONE THAT AS A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ? I RATHER TALK TO A WALL OF BRICK, AND KEEP SILENCE ,SO THEY DO NOT PUT ME IN A STRAIT JACKED T, You have now switched to a new topic.  My last answer is from Scripture though my self critique is not.   I am a student and some of my answers are made as a way to seek knowledge, though they may reveal my lack of knowledge.  I put them forth to be tested.  It is the scientific method of learning and some do it instinctively.   There are also things I have learned are true thru the process of testing.  It is good to test your life and your teachings. k you have to test the things of the world with the thing of the world and test the things of God with the things of God , if you do not do so you are in error and lack understanding of the things of God and are declare unwise by God , now for your verse you quote Luke 2;21 what is that verse tells you ;without you adding or take away anything T, The scientific method of learning is only a tool and like the vast majority of tools it is given by God but can be used to advance the things of God or the things of this world.  Which it used used for depends on the spirit of the user. Scripture teaches us to use it wisely with the instructions “test the spirit” and “watch your life and your doctrine”. Luke 2;21 clearly states Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb and therefore not outside of it; which happens when a child is implanted in a woman's womb.

K

you logic is not correct and bias ;

answer my question first ;

how many knew that Joseph WAS NOT THE FATHER OF JESUS ;

UNLESS YOU ANSWERED IT OR WE DONE ;

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 11 2013,18:56)

WAKEUP No, the “WORD OF GOD” (JOHN1-1-14) HIS JESUS) Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. CHRIST ,THE SON OF GOD ,WAS SEND TO EARTH TO SAVE MEN, Col 1:15 He(CHRIST) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Col 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. Col 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; Pr 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, Pr 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. Pr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind. PAY ATTENTION NOW TO NEXT VERSE ; Lk 1:15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth. THIS IS NOT CHRIST THAT IT IS TALK ABOUT ;BUT JOHN THE BAPTIST ;LOOK HE HIS FULL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SINS BIRTH , SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN GREATER THAN CHRIST HIMSELF SOME SAY THAT CHRIST BIRTH  WAS NOT DIPPED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT , Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.” I THINK,THAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE BIRTH OF CHRIST ,RIGHT ?? YES IT LOOKS TO ME THAT HE WAS APPOINTED ” ANOINTED”  SEND” CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER JUST AS HE SAID HE WAS , BUT I KNOW SOME DO NOT BELIEVE HIM , THAT'S ALL FOR NOW

Terra.

This is what I have said;why are you disageeing??

quote:The word of God is spirit,and that spirit
God made flesh/Jesus

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 14 2013,06:54)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 11 2013,18:56) WAKEUP No, the “WORD OF GOD” (JOHN1-1-14) HIS JESUS) Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. CHRIST ,THE SON OF GOD ,WAS SEND TO EARTH TO SAVE MEN, Col 1:15 He(CHRIST) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Col 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. Col 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; Pr 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, Pr 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. Pr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind. PAY ATTENTION NOW TO NEXT VERSE ; Lk 1:15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth. THIS IS NOT CHRIST THAT IT IS TALK ABOUT ;BUT JOHN THE BAPTIST ;LOOK HE HIS FULL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SINS BIRTH , SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN GREATER THAN CHRIST HIMSELF SOME SAY THAT CHRIST BIRTH  WAS NOT DIPPED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT , Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.” I THINK,THAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE BIRTH OF CHRIST ,RIGHT ?? YES IT LOOKS TO ME THAT HE WAS APPOINTED ” ANOINTED”  SEND” CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER JUST AS HE SAID HE WAS , BUT I KNOW SOME DO NOT BELIEVE HIM , THAT'S ALL FOR NOW Terra. This is what I have said;why are you disageeing?? quote:The word of God is spirit,and that spirit God made flesh/Jesus wakeup.

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quote:The word of God is spirit,and that spirit God made flesh/Jesus

THIS IS FALSE RELIGION BELIEVE ;

SORRY I DISAGREE WITH IT ;

CHRIST HIS ,WAS , A SPIRIT BEING PRIOR TO BE MADE ,AND COME IN THE FLESH;

IS THAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE ???AS WELL ??

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2013,04:12)

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 14 2013,03:25) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,07:14) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 13 2013,05:11) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,16:04) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,15:32) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,07:33) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph T, The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference. Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes. Luke 2:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. K it is useless to talk to you ,you always have your new question and answer ,and so do not participate in anything but yourself , have a great day   T, I am to always have an answer, though sadly I do not have a concrete one at all times. My answer was in line with the topic of this conversation but it may not have answered your own post as I was not quite sure of what you meant. K so you are really answered a topic just for the fun of it ,disregarding if what is true or not hummm ,strange ,i do not , so in one way if i understand your game ,;you play the cards ;like ;not in topic—and then “i not sure i got the question ?—and then “change the question ?— and then “i  am  a student :” this one would be your last resource right but by all means you will try not to get to the truth of you real true knowledge of any thing you decide not to believe in scriptures ,YES,right TELL ME HOW FAIR IS THAT TO ME ,???OR TO ANYONE THAT AS A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ? I RATHER TALK TO A WALL OF BRICK, AND KEEP SILENCE ,SO THEY DO NOT PUT ME IN A STRAIT JACKED T, You have now switched to a new topic.  My last answer is from Scripture though my self critique is not.   I am a student and some of my answers are made as a way to seek knowledge, though they may reveal my lack of knowledge.  I put them forth to be tested.  It is the scientific method of learning and some do it instinctively.   There are also things I have learned are true thru the process of testing.  It is good to test your life and your teachings. k you have to test the things of the world with the thing of the world and test the things of God with the things of God , if you do not do so you are in error and lack understanding of the things of God and are declare unwise by God , now for your verse you quote Luke 2;21 what is that verse tells you ;without you adding or take away anything T, The scientific method of learning is only a tool and like the vast majority of tools it is given by God but can be used to advance the things of God or the things of this world.  Which it used used for depends on the spirit of the user. Scripture teaches us to use it wisely with the instructions “test the spirit” and “watch your life and your doctrine”. Luke 2;21 clearly states Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb and therefore not outside of it; which happens when a child is implanted in a woman's womb. K you logic is not correct and bias ; answer my question first ; how many knew that Joseph WAS NOT THE FATHER OF JESUS ; UNLESS YOU ANSWERED IT OR WE DONE ;

T,

My reason is true.

I do not know as Scripture does not say nor can I derive that answer from what it does say.

I do know that Luke knew and he was the one who wrote that Jesus was conceived in his mother's womb. I also know the angel that spoke with Mary knew and he told her Jesus would be conceived in her womb.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 14 2013,09:52)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2013,04:12) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 14 2013,03:25) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,07:14) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 13 2013,05:11) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,16:04) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,15:32) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,07:33) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2013,06:35) T, The passage you quoted does not use conceive to mean implant. what difference does it going to make ;to the story 2000 years ago , which one of the figures knew that the father of Christ was not Joseph T, The angel who said “thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.” knew the difference. Scripture teaches us he was conceived in Mary's womb and not outside, as is the case with those who are conceived in petri dishes. Luke 2:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. K it is useless to talk to you ,you always have your new question and answer ,and so do not participate in anything but yourself , have a great day   T, I am to always have an answer, though sadly I do not have a concrete one at all times. My answer was in line with the topic of this conversation but it may not have answered your own post as I was not quite sure of what you meant. K so you are really answered a topic just for the fun of it ,disregarding if what is true or not hummm ,strange ,i do not , so in one way if i understand your game ,;you play the cards ;like ;not in topic—and then “i not sure i got the question ?—and then “change the question ?— and then “i  am  a student :” this one would be your last resource right but by all means you will try not to get to the truth of you real true knowledge of any thing you decide not to believe in scriptures ,YES,right TELL ME HOW FAIR IS THAT TO ME ,???OR TO ANYONE THAT AS A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ? I RATHER TALK TO A WALL OF BRICK, AND KEEP SILENCE ,SO THEY DO NOT PUT ME IN A STRAIT JACKED T, You have now switched to a new topic.  My last answer is from Scripture though my self critique is not.   I am a student and some of my answers are made as a way to seek knowledge, though they may reveal my lack of knowledge.  I put them forth to be tested.  It is the scientific method of learning and some do it instinctively.   There are also things I have learned are true thru the process of testing.  It is good to test your life and your teachings. k you have to test the things of the world with the thing of the world and test the things of God with the things of God , if you do not do so you are in error and lack understanding of the things of God and are declare unwise by God , now for your verse you quote Luke 2;21 what is that verse tells you ;without you adding or take away anything T, The scientific method of learning is only a tool and like the vast majority of tools it is given by God but can be used to advance the things of God or the things of this world.  Which it used used for depends on the spirit of the user. Scripture teaches us to use it wisely with the instructions “test the spirit” and “watch your life and your doctrine”. Luke 2;21 clearly states Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb and therefore not outside of it; which happens when a child is implanted in a woman's womb. K you logic is not correct and bias ; answer my question first ; how many knew that Joseph WAS NOT THE FATHER OF JESUS ; UNLESS YOU ANSWERED IT OR WE DONE ; T, My reason is true. I do not know as Scripture does not say nor can I derive that answer from what it does say. I do know that Luke knew and he was the one who wrote that Jesus was conceived in his mother's womb. I also know the angel that spoke with Mary knew and he told her Jesus would be conceived in her womb.

k

Lk 1:31 You will be with child and give birth to a son

Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Lk 2:5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child.

Mt 1:18 This is how t
he birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

Mt 1:19 Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

Mt 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
Mt 1:23 “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”—which means, “God with us.”
Mt 1:24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife.
Mt 1:25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

Mt 2:13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”
Mt 2:14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt,
Mt 2:15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

Mt 2:19 After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt
Mt 2:20 and said, “Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child’s life are dead.”

Mt 2:23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: “He will be called a Nazarene.”

Lk 1:42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!

Lk 2:11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.
Lk 2:12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
Lk 2:13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
Lk 2:14 “Glory to God in the highest,

Lk 2:16 So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger.
Lk 2:17 When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child,
Lk 2:18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them.
Lk 2:19 But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.

so only one person knew that the child is not hers ,and she knew it was not from Joseph ,

BUT YOU KNOW ,BUT DO NOT BELIEVE ;BUT YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW ;BUT YOU PREFER ME TELLING YOU AND GUIDE THROUGH NO ,THIS ONE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THROUGH THE SPIRIT OR GET STUCK ON IT

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2013,12:03)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 14 2013,06:54) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 11 2013,18:56) WAKEUP No, the “WORD OF GOD” (JOHN1-1-14) HIS JESUS) Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. CHRIST ,THE SON OF GOD ,WAS SEND TO EARTH TO SAVE MEN, Col 1:15 He(CHRIST) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Col 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. Col 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; Pr 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, Pr 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. Pr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind. PAY ATTENTION NOW TO NEXT VERSE ; Lk 1:15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth. THIS IS NOT CHRIST THAT IT IS TALK ABOUT ;BUT JOHN THE BAPTIST ;LOOK HE HIS FULL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SINS BIRTH , SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN GREATER THAN CHRIST HIMSELF SOME SAY THAT CHRIST BIRTH  WAS NOT DIPPED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT , Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.” I THINK,THAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE BIRTH OF CHRIST ,RIGHT ?? YES IT LOOKS TO ME THAT HE WAS APPOINTED ” ANOINTED”  SEND” CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER JUST AS HE SAID HE WAS , BUT I KNOW SOME DO NOT BELIEVE HIM , THAT'S ALL FOR NOW Terra. This is what I have said;why are you disageeing?? quote:The word of God is spirit,and that spirit God made flesh/Jesus wakeup. wakeup Quote quote:The word of God is spirit,and that spirit God made flesh/Jesus THIS IS FALSE RELIGION BELIEVE ; SORRY I DISAGREE WITH IT ; CHRIST HIS ,WAS , A SPIRIT BEING PRIOR TO BE MADE ,AND COME IN THE FLESH; IS THAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE ???AS WELL ??

Terra.

God is a spirit,so His Word is also spirit.
*His Word was made flesh*.
He was made the temple of God.
And he dwelleth amongst us,so we can see his glory.
He is the light of the world,but the world
could not comprehend.

So yes,thats about it.But dont forget that God
brought him forth in the beginning, a living being,and they had glory together,creating all things.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 14 2013,21:23)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2013,12:03) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 14 2013,06:54) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 11 2013,18:56) WAKEUP No, the “WORD OF GOD” (JOHN1-1-14) HIS JESUS) Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. CHRIST ,THE SON OF GOD ,WAS SEND TO EARTH TO SAVE MEN, Col 1:15 He(CHRIST) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Col 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. Col 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; Pr 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, Pr 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. Pr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind. PAY ATTENTION NOW TO NEXT VERSE ; Lk 1:15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth. THIS IS NOT CHRIST THAT IT IS TALK ABOUT ;BUT JOHN THE BAPTIST ;LOOK HE HIS FULL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SINS BIRTH , SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN GREATER THAN CHRIST HIMSELF SOME SAY THAT CHRIST BIRTH  WAS NOT DIPPED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT , Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.” I THINK,THAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE BIRTH OF CHRIST ,RIGHT ?? YES IT LOOKS TO ME THAT HE WAS APPOINTED ” ANOINTED”  SEND” CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER JUST AS HE SAID HE WAS , BUT I KNOW SOME DO NOT BELIEVE HIM , THAT'S ALL FOR NOW Terra. This is what I have said;why are you disageeing?? quote:The word of God is spirit,and that spirit God made flesh/Jesus wakeup. wakeup Quote quote:The word of God is spirit,and that spirit God made flesh/Jesus THIS IS FALSE RELIGION BELIEVE ; SORRY I DISAGREE WITH IT ; CHRIST HIS ,WAS , A SPIRIT BEING PRIOR TO BE MADE ,AND COME IN THE FLESH; IS THAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE ???AS WELL ?? Terra. God is a spirit,so His Word is also spirit. *His Word was made flesh*. He was made the temple of God. And he dwelleth amongst us,so we can see his glory. He is the light of the world,but the world could not comprehend. So yes,thats about it.But dont forget that God brought him forth in the beginning, a living being,and they had glory together,creating all things. wakeup.

wakeup

we are now ,no longer believing the same things,

you by given the made up version of your God and his son ,

and not believing WHAT THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ADD SAID ,SO MANY TIMES;

AND THIS I DO ,BELIEVE HIS WORDS ,WITH ALL MY HEART ,

SO I WILL LEAVE THIS DISCUSSION ,

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