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Quote Do you then believe that “made flesh” and “come in the flesh” meant the same thing? Kerwin,
MADE FLESH, MEANS THAT IT WAS MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE
CAME IN THE FLESH, MEANS CAME BY HIMSELF, SINCE HE WAS GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
the word in john 1.1 is Christ.
people who believe that that is not Christ are anti christ.no bible version that says that the word in john 1.1 is the holy spirit.
those people saying that the word in john 1.1 is the HS are false teachers.
they should make their own version LOL
“He who says a word against the Son of man can be forgiven, but he who says a word against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, in this age or in the age to come.”
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in the name of me (Jesus), he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.”
So how do you explain the Son of man being in heaven and still to come, but Jesus being here?
You can't, can you.Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2013,17:16) Quote (2besee @ June 14 2013,06:52) Mike, No scriptural support?
“For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God”.
“No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
“For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God”
2besee,I believe Mike knows the argument but does not want to believe it and has not come up with a better response at this time,even though he things there is one, than denial.
Hi Kerwin,
We all have things to learn, so long as our mind is open to hear what the spirit says. You are doing well, and have admirable patience. bless you.Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2013,22:24) Mike, Do you then believe that “made flesh” and “come in the flesh” meant the same thing?
I don't believe the words NECESSARILY ALWAYS MEAN the same thing. But in this case, they DO describe the same occurrence.Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2013,22:33) Mike, The flour was made cake.
This is the flour made cake.
Kerwin,I'm going to try this ONE MORE TIME for you.
1. The flour was made cake and was eaten by all.
2. The “Flour-Made-Cake” (as a title or description) was eaten by all.
Now both of those make perfect sense. But does #3?
3. The “Flour-Made-Cake” AND was eaten by all.
Tell me if you think #3 makes sense, Kerwin.
Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2013,22:16) Quote (2besee @ June 14 2013,06:52) Mike, No scriptural support?
“For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God”.
“No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
“For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God”
2besee,I believe Mike knows the argument but does not want to believe it and has not come up with a better response at this time,even though he things there is one, than denial.
Perhaps you guys should first find a scripture that actually says God's Holy Spirit is the Son of God. THEN you can discuss my response to that scripture.
So far, there has been no such scripture shown to me. And since the scriptures you DID post don't say a single thing about God's Holy Spirit being His Son, all I can do is DENY. Denial isn't necessarily a bad thing, Kerwin. I also DENY that Jesus is a polka-dotted bunny rabbit in heaven. Is it wrong for me to DENY things that aren't true? 
But once again, I'll try to help you guys out:
1. Have you even considered that 2B purposely omits the first part of his second scripture – apparently in an effort to deceptively sway the masses? Let's see it all together:
Matthew 11:27
All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.Who is the “me” that's doing the talking? Jesus, right? And the rest of the statement that follows is RELATED TO that first part.
The teaching is: The Father has given ME (Jesus) all things. No one really knows ME (Jesus) except for the Father, and no one really knows the Father except for ME (Jesus) – and those to whom I (Jesus) reveal Him.
For crying out loud, read John 1:18. JESUS CHRIST is the one who has revealed the Father to us.
2. Have you considered that 2B's first scripture (1 Cor 2:11) speaks of knowing THE THINGS of God, and his second scripture (Matt 11:27/Luke 10:22) speaks of KNOWING God? Only the Spirit of God can truly know ALL the things (thoughts) of God. Even Jesus doesn't know the day or the hour, nor who will sit at his own right hand in heaven.
But there is a big difference between knowing “THE THINGS OF” God, and “KNOWING” God. You guys act as if these two scriptures teach the same thing, but they don't.
Galatians 4:6 “And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
Mike, what spirit was sent?
Quote (2besee @ June 14 2013,19:49) Galatians 4:6 “And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” Mike, what spirit was sent?
The spirit of God's Son, Jesus Christ. The one who many times in scripture called his God “Abba” and “Father”.It is with this same spirit that we cry out to our God, “Abba! Father!” – in the hope that our God will some day recognize us, not as children born of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God Himself.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2013,14:59) Quote (2besee @ June 14 2013,19:49) Galatians 4:6 “And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” Mike, what spirit was sent?
The spirit of God's Son, Jesus Christ. The one who many times in scripture called his God “Abba” and “Father”.It is with this same spirit that we cry out to our God, “Abba! Father!” – in the hope that our God will some day recognize us, not as children born of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God Himself.
Mike, no you are wrong. The Holy Spirit was sent.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2013,06:29) Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2013,22:33) Mike, The flour was made cake.
This is the flour made cake.
Kerwin,I'm going to try this ONE MORE TIME for you.
1. The flour was made cake and was eaten by all.
2. The “Flour-Made-Cake” (as a title or description) was eaten by all.
Now both of those make perfect sense. But does #3?
3. The “Flour-Made-Cake” AND was eaten by all.
Tell me if you think #3 makes sense, Kerwin.
Mike,I am using sense #2 and not #3.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2013,06:24) Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2013,22:24) Mike, Do you then believe that “made flesh” and “come in the flesh” meant the same thing?
I don't believe the words NECESSARILY ALWAYS MEAN the same thing. But in this case, they DO describe the same occurrence.
Mike,Just establishing a point at which we agree.
Quote (carmel @ June 14 2013,22:56) kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Do you then believe that “made flesh” and “come in the flesh” meant the same thing? Kerwin,
MADE FLESH, MEANS THAT IT WAS MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE
CAME IN THE FLESH, MEANS CAME BY HIMSELF, SINCE HE WAS GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,Every human being comes in the flesh since the soul comes in the flesh.
Kerwin
JN 1:14 And the Word (Christ)became flesh, and dwelt among us(the Jews), and we(his disciples) saw His(Christ ) glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father(Christ), full of grace and truth.(Christ)
1JN 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
2JN 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
1PE 4:1 Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
1PE 4:2 so as to live the rest of the time(of his live) in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.1TI 3:16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He(Christ) who was revealed in the flesh,
Was vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in gloryQuote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,08:27) Quote (carmel @ June 14 2013,22:56) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2013,15:24) Quote Do you then believe that “made flesh” and “come in the flesh” meant the same thing? Kerwin,
MADE FLESH, MEANS THAT IT WAS MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE
CAME IN THE FLESH, MEANS CAME BY HIMSELF, SINCE HE WAS GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,Every human being comes in the flesh since the soul comes in the flesh.
KerwinNO ,every human his flesh ,big difference
do not argue people.
let the bible speak
John 1:1
New Life Version (NLV)
Christ Lived Before the World Was Made1 The Word (Christ) was in the beginning. The Word was with God. The Word was God.
if you will say that that is the HS then you should now start making your own version LOL
Quote 1. Have you even considered that 2B purposely omits the first part of his second scripture – apparently in an effort to deceptively sway the masses? You are not saying that to me personally, Mike – but to God who showed me those words.
Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2013,08:53) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,08:27) Quote (carmel @ June 14 2013,22:56) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2013,15:24) Quote Do you then believe that “made flesh” and “come in the flesh” meant the same thing? Kerwin,
MADE FLESH, MEANS THAT IT WAS MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE
CAME IN THE FLESH, MEANS CAME BY HIMSELF, SINCE HE WAS GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,Every human being comes in the flesh since the soul comes in the flesh.
KerwinNO ,every human his flesh ,big difference
T,Peter said that what without a body he would be naked. Those that are clothed come in their cloths.
Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2013,20:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2013,06:29)
1. The flour was made cake and was eaten by all.2. The “Flour-Made-Cake” (as a title or description) was eaten by all.
3. The “Flour-Made-Cake” AND was eaten by all.
Mike,I am using sense #2 and not #3.
But you can't use “sense #2”, Kerwin. The word AND is present as a conjunction between the two parts of John 1:14. To understand “sense #2”, you must REMOVE that word from the Greek text, thereby completely CHANGING the teaching.I know that you want to understand it as “sense #2”, but notice how I've REMOVED the word AND from “sense #2” on purpose……….. so it makes sense.
If you understand “Flour-Made-Cake” as a title or description, then we MUST remove the word AND – or else it would make no sense. But the word “and” IS in the Greek text of 1:14, which means that you are really claiming “sense #3”, whether you like it or not.
And since we can all easily see that #3 DOESN'T make any sense at all, and #2 requires us to REMOVE an important word from the Greek text, we are only left with #1.
I hope you can see this.
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