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Quote (carmel @ May 27 2013,13:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,03:32) Which planet did we create first, Charles? And did we put any people and animals on that planet?
Mike,Genesis 1:1
It is irrelevant which was first!
It may be irrelevant, but I'm curious anyway. Since you say that YOU, Almighty God, created the planets, I want to know which one you created first.mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote I'm confused. Do you say the Son is the “Word of God”? Or do you say the spirit OF the Son is the Word of God? Also, I thought you claimed that the Son IS the triune God, so how do you now claim that the spirit OF the Son is the Word OF the triune God?
Mike,
You know what Mike?
How am I going to explain SOMETHING SO FUNDAMENTAL since you prefer SHORT POSTS?
ALSO I MYSELF CANNOT BE SURE OF MYSELF WHETHER I WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN ENOUHG OR NOT WHAT I AM DISCERNING, DEFINITELY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!
THIS IS ONLY REGARDING OUR WORLD!
SO THE ANSWER IS:
BOTH!
THE SON AS FLESH BODY ONLY IN JESUS ( HIS EX SPIRIT, AS AN INDIVIDUAL) WAS THE WORD OF GOD, SINCE THE FATHER SPOKE THROUGH HIM!
THE SON'S SPIRIT, BOTH AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AND AS TRIUNE GOD, ( THE FATHER IN THE SON’S WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT IN BETWEEN) WAS THE WORD OF GOD DURING CREATION !
SO THE SON CREATED, OBEYED, ALL WHAT THE FATHER PRONUNCED, FROM HEAVEN WITH THE FULL POWER THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE TRIUNE GOD! IN THE SON’S
THE FATHER IS LOVE: PRONOUNCED FROM HEAVEN!
THE SON IS WISDOM: OBEYED, EXECUTED!
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS POWER : THE SOURCE FROM THE FATHER
NOW:
THE SON’S SPIRIT AS AN INDIVIDUAL BECAME BOTH THE MATTER, AND ALSO THE SPIRIT, WITHIN HIS CREATURES, SINCE HE WAS THE DIRECT SPIRIT IN CONTACT WITH THEM, IN ORDER TO PURIFY THEM BY THEIR OWN WORK IN CREATION. THEY WERE TOOLS AND SUBSTANCE TO HIM!
THE ABOVE IS ALMIGHTY GOD AS THE WORD, BOTH AS TRIUNE AND AS THE SON’S SPIRIT IN ONE INSTANT!
I HOPE I WAS CLEAR ENOUGH!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Since you say that YOU, Almighty God, created the planets, I want to know which one you created first. Mike,
Do you believe that we humans were the rebellious angels?
NOT THE ANGELS WHICH DELIBERATELY SINNED, WHICH PETER MENTIONED!
Peace and love in Jesus
Cahrles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,10:21) jammin, Were you planning on ever answering my question? I know you're scared, but give it a shot.
im not scared bec i know the answer.why cant you accept that your belief is false?
GOD is everywhere and you dont believe that.
you do not know the meaning of GOD is everywhere. you are saying it is not in the bible but the context of the bible tells that GOD IS EVERYWHERE.
and we can read that word for word in the bible.your belief is a waste
mike,
i give you verse, you give me stories.
is that fair?why dont you make your own bible so that you can put all your imaginations.
LOLjammin,
Don't make me take this to the Hot Seat. You will get a tile for not answering over there.
Once again: Who is the “God” that spoke through prophets in the past, and through His Son in these last days?
Quote (carmel @ May 28 2013,14:25) mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Since you say that YOU, Almighty God, created the planets, I want to know which one you created first. Mike,
Do you believe that we humans were the rebellious angels?
NOT THE ANGELS WHICH DELIBERATELY SINNED, WHICH PETER MENTIONED!
Peace and love in Jesus
Cahrles
Charles,What I want is a DIRECT answer to the question. Which planet did YOU, as Almighty God, create first? Surely you remember, right? Because Almighty God knows all things, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,22:25) Quote (kerwin @ May 26 2013,22:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,07:32) Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,17:37) The most reasonable hierarchy is the Spirit is the only one that knows the things of God, the Spirit is the one that reveals them to Jesus, Jesus reveals them to believers by the Spirit. I have not heard anything more reasonable.
Matthew 11:27
………..no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.Is Jesus the “Son” in this verse? Or is Jesus speaking about God's “Spirit Son” revealing God to certain people?
Mike,“All things are delivered unto me of my Father” is in first person and we have learned all things are imparted by the Spirit. Then Jesus speaks of the Son as if it were someone else, which is to say in the third person.
It seems reasonable that the Son he speaks of is the Spirit and that the Spirit has revealed the things of God to him and will reveal them to others. After he became King he was given authority to send the Spirit.
So in your opinion, the “Son” in Matt 11:27 is the Holy Spirit?(Do you realize Jesus also spoke in the third person about “the Son of Man”? In fact, he did so in every scriptural instance that he mentioned “the Son of Man”.)
And what about this verse………..
John 17:25
Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.Is this the “Holy Spirit Son of God” speaking, since the speaker says he knows the Father?
Mike,The Spirit is the primary one that knows all things of God and it reveals them to who it chooses.
Jesus speaks in the first person and he already stated “All things are delivered unto me of my Father” so we know the Spirit has chosen to reveal all things to him.
Now Jesus states about himself “you have sent me”. That sounds more like being sent as John was sent.
It seems clear that though the Spirit is in John 17:25, Jesus is speaking about himself.
From what I have been told the customs of the Jews was to speak in the third person and according to my knowledge the way the Son is described in Matthew 11:27 he could be either Jesus or the Spirit.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,22:22) Quote (kerwin @ May 26 2013,21:51) Addressing the Spirit as the Son is just a way of speaking that conveys the relationship between God and his own Spirit.
Are our spirits addressed as “our sons”? Is our relationship to our spirit like that of a father and a son?
Mike,It can be done as the relationship is there but we are not important in that way.
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote
What I want is a DIRECT answer to the question. Which planet did YOU, as Almighty God, create first? Surely you remember, right? Because Almighty God knows all things, right?Mike,
Do you believe that we humans were the rebellious angels?
THE ABOVE QUESTION WILL DETERMINE YOUR ANSWER AUTOMATICALLY!
SO IT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OWN ANSWER!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2013,13:43) jammin, Don't make me take this to the Hot Seat. You will get a tile for not answering over there.
Once again: Who is the “God” that spoke through prophets in the past, and through His Son in these last days?
then make this a hot seat.
answer mine.
where can you read that GOD is not everywhere?what if i can read to you that GOD is everywhere (although i gave you the verse many times but you dont accept it), will you accept that you are a false teacher?
i know mike you are afraid to answer my question that is why you are changing the topic.
make your own bible boy
Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2013,21:43) Mike, The Spirit is the primary one that knows all things of God and it reveals them to who it chooses.
And there we have the crux of the matter, Kerwin.In other words, God's Spirit knows the things of God just like Jesus and those to whom Jesus reveals Him also know God, right?
So your entire argument that the Spirit must be the “only begotten Son of God” because ONLY the Son knows God and ONLY the Spirit knows God has been shot down by scriptures that say Jesus and others also know God, right?
What other support do you have for this “Holy Spirit Son of God” theory?
Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2013,22:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,22:22) Quote (kerwin @ May 26 2013,21:51) Addressing the Spirit as the Son is just a way of speaking that conveys the relationship between God and his own Spirit.
Are our spirits addressed as “our sons”? Is our relationship to our spirit like that of a father and a son?
Mike,It can be done as the relationship is there but we are not important in that way.
NO Kerwin.You have NEVER once considered the spirit within you to be your “son” – nor has anyone else.
So your second theory that the Spirit is the Son of God because the relationship between a person and their spirit is like a father/son relationship has also been shot down.
What other support do you have for this odd doctrine?
Quote (carmel @ May 29 2013,15:13) mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote
What I want is a DIRECT answer to the question. Which planet did YOU, as Almighty God, create first? Surely you remember, right? Because Almighty God knows all things, right?Mike,
Do you believe that we humans were the rebellious angels?
Charles,Once YOU answer MY question in a direct manner, I will answer yours, okay?
mikeboll64,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Once YOU answer MY question in a direct manner, I will answer yours, okay? Mike,
EARTH!
THAT IS SCRIPTURAL!
NOW ANSWER MINE!
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE WERE THE REBELLIOUS ANGELS?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2013,07:30) Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2013,22:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,22:22) Quote (kerwin @ May 26 2013,21:51) Addressing the Spirit as the Son is just a way of speaking that conveys the relationship between God and his own Spirit.
Are our spirits addressed as “our sons”? Is our relationship to our spirit like that of a father and a son?
Mike,It can be done as the relationship is there but we are not important in that way.
NO Kerwin.You have NEVER once considered the spirit within you to be your “son” – nor has anyone else.
So your second theory that the Spirit is the Son of God because the relationship between a person and their spirit is like a father/son relationship has also been shot down.
What other support do you have for this odd doctrine?
Mike,Please!
You already know that the Jews called Wisdom, an attribute of God, the daughter of God. You are not going to disprove it just because you object to it.
Either Jesus or the Spirit in him is the one who knows all things of God and reveals them to others. Scripture states the Spirit does and has revealed them to Jesus. Are you going to disagree and say there are two?
carmel,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Once YOU answer MY question in a direct manner, I will answer yours, okay? Which planet did YOU, as Almighty God, create first? Surely you remember, right? Because Almighty God knows all things, right?
Mike,
HERE IT IS, IT'S ALL YOURS
EARTH!
THAT IS SCRIPTURAL!
NOW ANSWER MINE!
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE WERE THE REBELLIOUS ANGELS?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ May 30 2013,00:44) Mike, EARTH!
THAT IS SCRIPTURAL!
So YOU, as God Almighty, created earth first? Is that correct?The answer to your question is “NO”.
Quote (kerwin @ May 30 2013,05:22) Scripture states the Spirit does and has revealed them to Jesus. Are you going to disagree and say there are two?
I'm sorry. Where exactly does scripture say the Spirit knew the things of God and then revealed those things to Jesus?(I liked your “Please!” answer, Kerwin. It shows that you can't refute the points I've made.
)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2013,14:12) Quote (carmel @ May 30 2013,00:44) Mike, EARTH!
THAT IS SCRIPTURAL!
So YOU, as God Almighty, created earth first? Is that correct?The answer to your question is “NO”.
Quote Is that correct? The answer to your question is “NO”.
Mike,
ARE DENYING THE SCRIPTURE?
Now you should know then what is our origin?
SINCE JESUS DECLARED THAT WE ARE FROM HELL,AND HE CAME FOR THE LOST!
ALSO PETER SAID THAT WE ARE NOT EVEN A PEOPLE
Peace and love in Jesus
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