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Quote A paradox is where there is seemingly contradiction in terms, yet
BOTH parts are actually true; this is the meaning of “a paradox”.Edj,
EXCELLENT!
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO MIKE!
THAT WHEN JESUS WAS DEAD ON THE CROSS HE WAS ALSO ALIVE!
SO HE DIDN'T DIE LIKE WE DO!
Edj,
concentrate on the word:
mediator
JESUS WAS AND IS A UNIQUE MEDIATOR THE WORD
THEREFORE A PERFECT PARADOX!
HE IS BOTH THE OPPOSING PARTIES!
AGREE?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Edj
I wanted to tell you,regarding the encounter of Jesus with Satan on the cross,
That Satan realized at the very end that, IT WAS AGAINST HIS WISH TO TAKE JESUS' SOUL.
HE WAS AWARE OF HIS DEFEAT AFTER ALL.
BUT SINCE HE WAS THE POWER OF DEATH.
IT WAS HIS PROCEDURE, TO ENTER JESUS' SOUL,
IF HE DIDN'T, SOMETHING THAT HE NEVER WANTED TO, WOULD OBVIOUSLY ALLOW JESUS TO SPIRITUALIZE HIMSELF ON THE CROSS,IN FRONT OF ALL THOSE PRESENT, AND BY DOING SO ALL ENEMIES INCLUDING ALL HUMANITY WOULD HAVE BELEIVED THAT JESUS IS THE WORD GOD IN FLESH.
YOU AND ME RIGHT NOW, WOULD HAVE BEEN WELL ADVANCED IN PARADISE AND MOST PROBABLY ALSO IN THE FIRST HEAVENLY REALM, CONSIDERRING THESE 2000 YEARS THAT PASSED
SO SATANT HAD TO OPT TO LOSE THE BATTLE ANYHOW, AND TAKE JESUS'SOUL.
LIKE THAT, JESUS WOULD BE BURRIED,AND THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS WOULD BE UNKNOWN.
ALSO HE WOULD EVENTUALLY ESTABLISH AN EXCUSE FOR HIS SUPPOERTERS IN HELL.
THIS HE DEFINITELY STARTED CONTEMPLATING,THE MOMENT JUDAH KISSED JESUS.
JUDAH WAS AWARE THAT JESUS WAS INNOCENT EXACTLY AFTER HE KISSED JESUS, AND ARRESTED HIM.
MARK 14:51 And a certain young man followed him, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and they laid hold on him. 52But he, casting off the linen cloth, fled from them naked.
THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE IS AN EVIDENCE OF THIS!
BUT I WANT YOU TO PONDER A BIT AND GUESS WHAT THIS NAKED CERTAIN YOUNG MAN HAD TO DO WITH JESUS' ARREST!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,23:18) Quote (carmel @ April 23 2013,12:25) Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,15:49) Quote First and Last are used for one that is first and last in a set. Kerwin,
That is irrelevant!
IT IS STILL A PARADOX!
EVERYONE OF THOSE PARADOXES HAVE ITS PARTICULAR MEANING.
MOSES, WHICH WAS THE MESSIAH FOR CARNAL CREATURES,AND ALSO REPRESENTED JESUS, APART THAT HE WAS HIS SPIRIT, WAS ALSO FIRST AND LAST
WHICH YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT!
In fact most of them could be applied to Moses!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,It is not a contradiction. A certain man was both the first and last over the finish line in a particular race. How many men went over the finish line in that race? It is a question that can be answered with logical reasoning.
Light and dark are a dichotomy and not a contradiction.
Alpha and Omego is a poor translation from Koine Greek into English. To those in the know it is equivalent to the aye and the zee and so is another way of saying the first and the last.
1) A paradox is claiming that one is his own son.
2) A paradox is claiming one is literally all knowing but does not know the day and the hour.
3) A paradox is claiming that one cannot be tempted by evil but was tempted by evil even as is common to man
4) A paradox is claiming that one's kind is completely human and completely Yawheh.Not of those 4 statements a logically reasonable
you talk too much kerwin.
im sure you dont understand what you are talking.do you believe that thomas said to JESUS , MY LORD AND MY GOD? (john 20.28)
yes or no?
Quote (carmel @ April 23 2013,00:40) THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY CREATURE THE ABOVE MEANS THAT JESUS' SPIRIT GAVE BIRTH TO EVERY FIRST CREATURE EVER CREATED. since all by him, and all in him
So then God Almighty Himself is the “firstborn” of every creature? When is God ever called the “firstborn” of anything?Quote (carmel @ April 23 2013,10:57) AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO MIKE! THAT WHEN JESUS WAS DEAD ON THE CROSS HE WAS ALSO ALIVE!
SO HE DIDN'T DIE LIKE WE DO!
You are correct that these are the things you were TELLING me, Charles. You just weren't able to produce any scriptures that proved them, remember?Quote (carmel @ April 23 2013,12:40) terraricca,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote the firstborn over all creation. Terraricca,
THAT'S CORRUPTION!
IN ORDER TO CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS CREATED FIRST!
THIS IS THE TRUTH!
THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY CREATURE
THE ABOVE MEANS THAT JESUS' SPIRIT GAVE BIRTH TO EVERY FIRST CREATURE EVER CREATED. since all by him, and all in him
HIS SPIRIT EXISTED ETERNALLY WITHIN THE FATHER!
HE CAME FORTH AS THE WORDTO CREATE ALL WITH ALL THE POWER OF THE FATHER THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
charlesyou do not understand scriptures ;
Christ is the first creation of God ;
and none of us have received the spirit of Christ ;scriptures says it is an acquired spirit ,THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST ” NOT GIVEN BUT GIVEN ACCESS TO IT ;BIG DIFFERENCE ,AND ONLY AVAILABLE SINS HIS DEAD AND RESURRECTION.
SO NO CORRUPTION
T,
you said Christ is the first creation of God ;
is that your own version?
when will you publish that boy? LOL
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote So then God Almighty Himself is the “firstborn” of every creature? Mike,
CONGRATULATIONS
AT LAST YOU ARE ADMITTING the truth,THAT GOD
IN FORM OF THE WORD
AS A MEDIATOR,
JESUS' SPIRIT,
THE TRIUNE GOD IN THE SON'S SPIRIT.
THE FULL POWER OF GOD, ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM
CREATED OUR CREATION
TO BE MORE CLEAR !
THE FATHER, IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND BOTH THESE SPIRITS, IN THE SON'S SPIRIT!
THE SON LIKE THAT IS BOTH ONE SPIRITHIS OWN,
AND ALSO THE FULL POWER OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD WITHIN HIM
IN THE SAME TIME GOD RETAINED HIS OWN GLORY AS A SPIRIT IN HEAVEN.
SO THOSE THREE SPIRIT REPRESENT
THE SPIRIT,
THE SOUL,
AND THE FLESH
US IN THE IMAGE OF THE WORD GOD IN FLESH
AND THE WORD IS THE PERFECT GENUINE UNIQUE IMAGE OF GOD!
GOD HIMSELF AS THE WORD OF GOD! JESUS CHRIST
SO WITHIN US WE HAVE THE WORD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN OUR STILL NOT PERFECT SOULS
IN THE SAME TIME WE COULD STILL HAVE BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON WITHIN US DIRECTLY, IF WE LIVE AND LOVE GOD IN JESUS' WORDS IN THE TRUTH
SINCE THE HOLY SPIRIT (JESUS'SOUL)ACQUIRED ALL HUMAN ATTRIBUTES WHILE ON EARTH AS PERFECT MAN!
John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever.
23Jesus answered, and said to him: If any one love me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and will make our abode with him.
John 16: 14He shall glorify me; because he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it to you. 15All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine. Therefore I said, that he shall receive of mine, and shew it to you.
REFLECT ON THE ABOVE SINCE YOU ARE NOT READY TO BE TOLD DUE TO YOUR PRIDE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote You just weren't able to produce any scriptures that proved them, remember? Mike,
HOW CAN A BLIND MAN SEE THINGS?
PSALM 118:17 I shall not die, but live: and shall declare the works of the Lord.
JESUS NEVER DIED,LIVED AND SHOWED THE WORKS OF GOD IN HIMSELF WHEN HE BECAME ONE WITH THE FATHER THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT IN
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
FOR ETERNITY!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,15:32) T, you said Christ is the first creation of God ;
is that your own version?
when will you publish that boy? LOL
No, it is 'brain-bondo'Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,21:00) Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,23:18) Charles, 1) A paradox is claiming that one is his own son.
2) A paradox is claiming one is literally all knowing but does not know the day and the hour.
3) A paradox is claiming that one cannot be tempted by evil but was tempted by evil even as is common to man
4) A paradox is claiming that one's kind is completely human and completely Yawheh.
Hi Kerwin,None of your examples match the definition of “a paradox”;
as a fellow student, you should search out this matter a bit more.
Here is one of the examples of “a paradox” in Scripture (there are more):Loosing your life gains your life. (Matt. 16:25)
Aristotelian logic states that FIRST you lose your life, AND THEN you gain it.
But that's NOT the meaning, the act itself of loosing your life is actually gaining
your life. Here is an awkward way to say this principal: The act of downing
is actually upping. The act of losing is actually winning. I hope you get it.A paradox is where there is seemingly contradiction in terms, yet
BOTH parts are actually true; this is the meaning of “a paradox”.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.I had not realized paradox did not always mean a real contradiction. Thank you for enlarging my vocabulary. Never the less I was saying those things are real contradictions and not apparent ones.
Then there are apparent contradictions such as “Loosing your life gains your life”. Jesus entices us to thing spiritually by changing the meaning of “life” from its first use to its second. I could clarify it more but that seems to undermine Jesus' purpose in uttering it.
I will give you the hint that we are called to seek to be righteous as God is righteous.
Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,05:08) you talk too much kerwin.
im sure you dont understand what you are talking.do you believe that thomas said to JESUS , MY LORD AND MY GOD? (john 20.28)
yes or no?
Jammin,Thomas said those words but you fail to understand their true meaning.
Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,03:24) Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,21:00) Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,23:18) Charles, 1) A paradox is claiming that one is his own son.
2) A paradox is claiming one is literally all knowing but does not know the day and the hour.
3) A paradox is claiming that one cannot be tempted by evil but was tempted by evil even as is common to man
4) A paradox is claiming that one's kind is completely human and completely Yawheh.
Hi Kerwin,None of your examples match the definition of “a paradox”;
as a fellow student, you should search out this matter a bit more.
Here is one of the examples of “a paradox” in Scripture (there are more):Loosing your life gains your life. (Matt. 16:25)
Aristotelian logic states that FIRST you lose your life, AND THEN you gain it.
But that's NOT the meaning, the act itself of loosing your life is actually gaining
your life. Here is an awkward way to say this principal: The act of downing
is actually upping. The act of losing is actually winning. I hope you get it.A paradox is where there is seemingly contradiction in terms, yet
BOTH parts are actually true; this is the meaning of “a paradox”.Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
Ed J.I had not realized paradox did not always mean a real contradiction. Thank you for enlarging my vocabulary. Never the less I was saying those things are real contradictions and not apparent ones.
Then there are apparent contradictions such as “Loosing your life gains your life”. Jesus entices us to thing spiritually by changing the meaning of “life” from its first use to its second. I could clarify it more but that seems to undermine Jesus' purpose in uttering it.
I will give you the hint that we are called to seek to be righteous as God is righteous.
Hi Kerwin,Yes, those would be considered contradistinctions rather than paradoxes.
Yes, losing the 'ego' by starving it to death
is what adds abundant life to our walk in this flesh body;
this, I believe is meaning of the particular “Paradox” you reference.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,03:29) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,05:08) you talk too much kerwin.
im sure you dont understand what you are talking.do you believe that thomas said to JESUS , MY LORD AND MY GOD? (john 20.28)
yes or no?
Jammin,Thomas said those words but you fail there true meaning.
+1Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2013,00:20) Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,22:18) christ and his father are two persons but HAVE the same nature, God
Good, jammin.Now, since we all know that “God” is not a “nature”, then it seems you agree that Jesus and his own God are two DIFFERENT persons/BEINGS who have the same SPIRIT nature.
The nature of God is “spirit nature”, just like the nature of humans is “human nature”.
I'm glad we've come to this agreement. No further discussion is warranted.
Mike,
This video found here explains the word 'being.' It is interesting!Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,10:32) T, you said Christ is the first creation of God ;
is that your own version?
when will you publish that boy? LOL
Jamminyou will not ever understand this ,you are stuck on Ph2;6 ;
and on other miss understanding ;but you are free to show me in scriptures that I am wrong ,if you can
Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2013,14:34) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,15:32) T, you said Christ is the first creation of God ;
is that your own version?
when will you publish that boy? LOL
No, it is 'brain-bondo'
hi
Edji do not understand that expression of words;
but if you disagree with what i say ,please show me in scriptures were i went wrong
i am always happy to learn new things of truth.all
there are no PARADOXES IN SCRIPTURES ,JUST A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ,MISS GUIDED ,OR OPPOSED TO GODS TRUTH:)
terraricca,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote there are no PARADOXES IN SCRIPTURES ,JUST A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ,MISS GUIDED ,OR OPPOSED TO GODS TRUTH:) Terraricca,
blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,06:27) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2013,14:34) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,15:32) T, you said Christ is the first creation of God ;
is that your own version?
when will you publish that boy? LOL
No, it is 'brain-bondo'
hi
Edj(1)i do not understand that expression of words;
(2)but if you disagree with what i say ,please show me in scriptures were i went wrong
(3)i am always happy to learn new things of truth.
Hi Pierre,1) Bondo is used in car repairs to fill in the gaps.
“Brain bondo” invents pieces to complete a story.2) I always do.
3) BS (I hope you know what that means)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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