JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2013,16:25)

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,22:46) John 3:18 King James Version (KJV) 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. See jammin?  I actually BELIEVE that scripture, whereas YOU don't. I believe that Jesus is the only begotten SON OF God.  You believe that scripture says Jesus is God.  See the difference? The right way speaks of a God and His Son.  The wrong way (your way) speaks of a Son who IS the very God he is the Son OF.

LOL

what you are saying is incomplete.
where can you read that i say i dont believe Christ is the only son of GOd?
where can you read that in my post? you are accusing me without basis sunshine LOL
are you desperate? LOL

ok ill repeat my belief.
i believe that Christ is the only son of God
i believe that Christ (as the son of God) is like his father. he is God by nature just like his father. i believe he is my Lord and my God.
the father is God
the son is God

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2013,16:20)

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,22:18) christ and his father are two persons but HAVE the same nature, God Good, jammin. Now, since we all know that “God” is not a “nature”, then it seems you agree that Jesus and his own God are two DIFFERENT persons/BEINGS who have the same SPIRIT nature. The nature of God is “spirit nature”, just like the nature of humans is “human nature”. I'm glad we've come to this agreement.  No further discussion is warranted.

mike said:Good, jammin.

Now, since we all know that “God” is not a “nature”, then it seems you agree that Jesus and his own God are two DIFFERENT persons/BEINGS who have the same SPIRIT nature.

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LOL

another incomplete statement from mike LOL

you always say not the whole truth boy. LOL

the nature of God is not only spirit
the nature of God includes:

Omnipotent
Omniscient
OMNIPRESENCE
HOLINESS
UNIQUENESS
ETERNALNESS
SELF-EXISTENT

do you understand that?

read that over and over again and pls take vitamins so that your brain can absorb that

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,16:23)

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,09:14) Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,13:24) Jammi Quote the trinity tells us that there are 3 persons but one in essence or nature and that is nature God. that is the true teachings of the apostles. although we cant find in the bible the word “trinity”, the meaning of it is the same teaching that the apostles have in mind. COULD YOU PRESENT 7 SEVEN SCRIPTURES THAT GIVE CLEAR TEACHING OF THE TRINITY ;BOY I HOPE YOU DO NOT RUN AWAY ,BOY, i dont need 7. here is the verse for that luke 3.22 New International Version (©2011) and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” the holy spirit came down the father said you are my son. the son was in jordan Jamin it seems you are hooked on the trinity ,so you can not see scriptures the way they are written ,you see them through your own preset mind

why dont you open your mind and let God rule over you

is the father not a person?
is the son not a person?
if you answer yes then do you believe that they are both God?

if you are confused then just think that you and your father are both HUMAN.
did you get it?

Christ and his father are both God.
God the father
God the son

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2013,16:20)

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,22:18) christ and his father are two persons but HAVE the same nature, God Good, jammin. Now, since we all know that “God” is not a “nature”, then it seems you agree that Jesus and his own God are two DIFFERENT persons/BEINGS who have the same SPIRIT nature. The nature of God is “spirit nature”, just like the nature of humans is “human nature”. I'm glad we've come to this agreement.  No further discussion is warranted.

you said that mike. you said God is spirit in nature and you conclude that Christ only has the spirit nature.

ok here is my question.
angels are also spirit. do you agree?

WHERE CAN YOU READ IN THE BIBLE THAT ANGELS HAVE THE NATURE OF GOD?

GIVE ME ONE VERSE AND ILL STOP. YOU CAN USE ANY VERSIONS YOU WANT. ILL GIVE YOU 100 YRS TO FIND THE VERSE MIKE.
you may ask for help if you want

LOL

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,11:38)

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,16:23) Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,09:14) Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,13:24) Jammi Quote the trinity tells us that there are 3 persons but one in essence or nature and that is nature God. that is the true teachings of the apostles. although we cant find in the bible the word “trinity”, the meaning of it is the same teaching that the apostles have in mind. COULD YOU PRESENT 7 SEVEN SCRIPTURES THAT GIVE CLEAR TEACHING OF THE TRINITY ;BOY I HOPE YOU DO NOT RUN AWAY ,BOY, i dont need 7. here is the verse for that luke 3.22 New International Version (©2011) and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” the holy spirit came down the father said you are my son. the son was in jordan Jamin it seems you are hooked on the trinity ,so you can not see scriptures the way they are written ,you see them through your own preset mind why dont you open your mind and let God rule over you is the father not a person? is the son not a person? if you answer yes then do you believe that they are both God? if you are confused then just think that you and your father are both HUMAN. did you get it? Christ and his father are both God. God the father God the son

Jamin

That is true they are both gods,but not the same gods ,one his God almighty the father or creator of all,and the other is god the son ,created by God almighty,so he could not be equal to the one that created him,

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,17:20)

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,11:38) Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,16:23) Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,09:14) Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,13:24) Jammi Quote the trinity tells us that there are 3 persons but one in essence or nature and that is nature God. that is the true teachings of the apostles. although we cant find in the bible the word “trinity”, the meaning of it is the same teaching that the apostles have in mind. COULD YOU PRESENT 7 SEVEN SCRIPTURES THAT GIVE CLEAR TEACHING OF THE TRINITY ;BOY I HOPE YOU DO NOT RUN AWAY ,BOY, i dont need 7. here is the verse for that luke 3.22 New International Version (©2011) and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” the holy spirit came down the father said you are my son. the son was in jordan Jamin it seems you are hooked on the trinity ,so you can not see scriptures the way they are written ,you see them through your own preset mind why dont you open your mind and let God rule over you is the father not a person? is the son not a person? if you answer yes then do you believe that they are both God? if you are confused then just think that you and your father are both HUMAN. did you get it? Christ and his father are both God. God the father God the son Jamin That is true they are both gods,but not the same gods ,one his God almighty the father or creator of all,and the other is god the son ,created by God almighty,so he could not be equal to the one that created him,

first of all
christ is not created

second, he is equal with God.

let the bible speak
Philippians 2:6
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:32)

where can you read that i say i dont believe Christ is the only son of GOd?

I can read it in every post you make, jammin. If you believe Jesus IS God, then you can't possibly believe he is the SON OF God.

When you say, “Jesus IS the very God he is the SON OF”, the only thing sensible people here is gibberish.

jammin, Jesus either IS God, or he is the SON OF God. He can't be both.

[kerwin]

Quote (carmel @ April 21 2013,01:27)

Quote Scripture does not answer how Jesus was conceived a human Kerwin, FIRST, I SENT THAT POST  BY MISTAKE! You might have noticed! Luke 1:And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God Matthew 1:17 Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, SHE WAS FOUND WITH CHILD, OF THE HOLY GHOST. Does the above satisfy your mentality? I SAID HE WAS A PARADOX: SO HE WAS BORN, AS SON OF MAN BUT HE WAS NOT BORN AS SON OF GOD SINCE  HIS ETERNAL SPIRIT IS OF THE FATHER! 1 John 1:2 2For the life was manifested; and we have seen and do bear witness, and declare unto you THE LIFE ETERNAL, WHICH WAS WITH THE FATHER, and hath appeared to us: Quote Scripture explicitly calls Jesus human and declares he is the seed of David as of the flesh.   THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING REGARDING THE SON OF GOD SINCE GOD IS A SPIRIT AND HIS SON ALSO WAS  A FULL SPIRIT BEING! REGARDING THE SON OF MAN THE SEED OF DAVID WAS FOR HIS MOTHER MORE THEN FOR HIM, SINCE GOD AS THE WORD OPTED TO BE BORN OF A WOMAN, AND NOT THAT HE NEEDED A WOMAN, BUT DID SO ONLY TO RESPECT WORLDLY POCEDURE, AND TO REDEEM ALL HUMANS! SO HE WAS A PARADOX: HE WAS BORN OF A WOMAN, BUT HE WAS NOT BORN OF A NORMAL WOMAN Jeremiah 31:22How long wilt thou be dissolute in deliciousness, O wandering daughter? FOR THE LORD HAD CREATED A NEW THING UPON THE EARTH : A WOMAN SHALL COMPASS A MAN Quote Your argument that Jesus is not human because he has no human father is clearly false as not all humans have a father. SINCE YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND ME: JESUS IS A HUMAN BEING BUT NOT OF THIS WORLDLIKE ALL OF US! HE CAME IN THIS WORLD! I SAID HE WAS A PARADOX SO HE WAS A MAN IN THIS WORLD BUT NOT A MAN OF THIS WORLD!IN EVERY SENSE! John 16:28 I came FORTH from the Father, and am come into the world: again I leave the world, and I go to the Father. NOW:TO BE PRECISE NO HUMAN SPERM CONCEIVED MARY HE WAS A PARADOX: NO HUMAN SPERM BUT THROUGH THE SPERM OF DAVID! ARE YOU HAPPY Quote John the Baptist was born of both human parents John the Baptist was a good and perfect gift that was sent from God, and God's throne is in heaven. BLA  BLA  BLA  BLA……… HOW ABOUT THE ONE BEFORE HIM, WHO CREATED HIM? 1 Colossians 16 ……………all things were created by him and in him John1:27The same is he that shall come after me, who is preferred before me: the latchet of whose shoe I am not worthy to loose. 1:30 This is he, of whom I said: After me there cometh a man, who is preferred before me: because he was before me. TO BE PRECISE: JOHN WAS THE MOST PERFECT MAN WHO WAS BORN OF A WOMAN OF THIS WORLD! OBVIOUS: JESUS WAS NOT BORN OF A WOMAN, BUT OF A NEW UNIQUE WOMAN NOT OF THIS WORLD! SO JESUS WAS A PARADOX: HE WAS NOT THE MOST PERFECT MAN !  JOHN WAS! BUT HE WAS A THE MOST PERFECT MAN  AND REDEEMED HUMANITY Quote WHERE ARE YOU FROM ? Those that do the will of God are not from this World. Which scripture says this? Quote God created the Earth and will free creation from its frustration.  He will also create a new heaven at that time. SO YOU AGREE IT WAS NOT CREATED PERFECT BUT VERY GOOD ONLY Quote So you believe God did not create all things. I SAID HE WAS A APARADOX HE CREATED ALL THINGS BUT HE DIDN'T CREATE ALL THINGS Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Charles,

I did not realized you erred in posting when you did not mean to. I do not have as much time as it takes to do a point by point debate.

I do not except paradoxes in the gospel because I am convinced that “line upon line precept upon precept” the gospel supports itself. There is no room for contradictions, aka paradoxes. If you are willing to suffer paradoxes in your teachings then any teaching will do.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,12:58)

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,17:20) Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,11:38) Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,16:23) Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,09:14) Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,13:24) Jammi Quote the trinity tells us that there are 3 persons but one in essence or nature and that is nature God. that is the true teachings of the apostles. although we cant find in the bible the word “trinity”, the meaning of it is the same teaching that the apostles have in mind. COULD YOU PRESENT 7 SEVEN SCRIPTURES THAT GIVE CLEAR TEACHING OF THE TRINITY ;BOY I HOPE YOU DO NOT RUN AWAY ,BOY, i dont need 7. here is the verse for that luke 3.22 New International Version (©2011) and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” the holy spirit came down the father said you are my son. the son was in jordan Jamin it seems you are hooked on the trinity ,so you can not see scriptures the way they are written ,you see them through your own preset mind why dont you open your mind and let God rule over you is the father not a person? is the son not a person? if you answer yes then do you believe that they are both God? if you are confused then just think that you and your father are both HUMAN. did you get it? Christ and his father are both God. God the father God the son Jamin That is true they are both gods,but not the same gods ,one his God almighty the father or creator of all,and the other is god the son ,created by God almighty,so he could not be equal to the one that created him, first of all christ is not created second, he is equal with God. let the bible speak Philippians 2:6 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,

jAMIN

that statement is the one that kills all truth in you;christ is not created ;

you are destroying yourself with false believes from men ;

your understanding of Phil 2;6 also confirms that ,

you have been indoctrinated not by the scriptures but by men

[carmel]

kerwin,April wrote:

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I do not except paradoxes in the gospel

Kerwin,

We all have a free will,but we must not stop searching for the truth,so if you are stuck with that kind of concept,you are already a failure unless you verify every possibility.

I am sure of it since :

all in him, all by him, and all for him

And here are some which you should not ignore since they are scriptural:

ONE AND MULTY

THE FIRST  AND THE  LAST

THE BEGINNING  AND THE END

ALPHA AND OMEGA

THE ABOVE ARE THE MOST OBVIOUS AND COMMON PARADOXES WHICH REFER TO THE WORD JESUS CHRIST.

NOW FOR SOME MORE NOT QUITE OBVIOUS FOR SOME!

WHEN HE WAS BORN, WITHIN HIS SOUL HE HAD

BOTH THE SPIRIT OF LIGHT AND THE SPIRIT OF DARKNESS

BOTH :

GOD IN FLESH  AND  DEVIL IN FLESH

GOD OF HEAVEN AND GOD OF THE WORLD

LIFE AND DEATH

SPIRIT AND MATTER

FATHER AND SON

CREATOR. AND CREATED.

INVISIBLE AND VISIBLE.

FOOD AND DRINK

MALE AND FEMALE.

SINLESS  AND  SINFULL

VICTIM AND MURDERER

INNOCENT AND GUILTY

JUDGE AND CRIMINAL

DEAD AND ALIVE

OMNIPOTENT  AND WEAK

OMNIPRESENT AND ABSENT

EXISTS AND NON EXISTS

LION AND  LAMB

KING AND SERVANT

and more:

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2013,20:50)

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:32) where can you read that i say i dont believe Christ is the only son of GOd? I can read it in every post you make, jammin.  If you believe Jesus IS God, then you can't possibly believe he is the SON OF God. When you say, “Jesus IS the very God he is the SON OF”, the only thing sensible people here is gibberish. jammin, Jesus either IS God, or he is the SON OF God.  He can't be both.

post here my post that i said Christ is NOT the son of God.

i think you have sniffed again mosquito coil sunshine LOL

i said Christ is the son of God
i said Christ is God just like his father

ill give you an elementary example.
you are the son of your father
you are HUMAN just like you father.

do you understand that?
you are not a small human. no small human boy when it comes to nature of human. you are equal by nature. you are both HUMAN

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2013,02:33)

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,12:58) Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,17:20) Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,11:38) Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,16:23) Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,09:14) Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,13:24) Jammi Quote the trinity tells us that there are 3 persons but one in essence or nature and that is nature God. that is the true teachings of the apostles. although we cant find in the bible the word “trinity”, the meaning of it is the same teaching that the apostles have in mind. COULD YOU PRESENT 7 SEVEN SCRIPTURES THAT GIVE CLEAR TEACHING OF THE TRINITY ;BOY I HOPE YOU DO NOT RUN AWAY ,BOY, i dont need 7. here is the verse for that luke 3.22 New International Version (©2011) and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” the holy spirit came down the father said you are my son. the son was in jordan Jamin it seems you are hooked on the trinity ,so you can not see scriptures the way they are written ,you see them through your own preset mind why dont you open your mind and let God rule over you is the father not a person? is the son not a person? if you answer yes then do you believe that they are both God? if you are confused then just think that you and your father are both HUMAN. did you get it? Christ and his father are both God. God the father God the son Jamin That is true they are both gods,but not the same gods ,one his God almighty the father or creator of all,and the other is god the son ,created by God almighty,so he could not be equal to the one that created him, first of all christ is not created second, he is equal with God. let the bible speak Philippians 2:6 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, jAMIN that statement is the one that kills all truth in you;christ is not created ; you are destroying yourself with false believes from men ; your understanding of Phil 2;6 also confirms that , you have been indoctrinated not by the scriptures but by men

what? are you kdding mate? LOL

ok let me post it again
you said Christ is not equal with God.

let me the verse of the bible
Philippians 2:6
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,

do you understand that?
maybe you need to go to school first and study to read

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2013,06:37)

If you are willing to suffer paradoxes in your teachings then any teaching will do.

Interesting point, Kerwin. Well put.

[terraricca]

Jamin

Quote

what? are you kdding mate? LOL ok let me post it again you said Christ is not equal with God. let me the verse of the bible Philippians 2:6 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, do you understand that? maybe you need to go to school first and study to read

Phil 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.
Phil 2:4 Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.
Phil 2:5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Phil 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

now boy; if he was equal to God almighty tell me why DID GOD ALMIGHTY MADE HIM “EXALTED HIM TO THE HIGHEST PLACE “NOT ABOVE GOD HIM SELVES BUT “GIVE HIM A NAME THAT IS ABOVE EVERY NAME ” BUT NOT ABOVE GOD ALMIGHTY'S NAME ,

YOU THINK I SHOULD GO TO SCHOOL ,THEN YOU NEVER CAME OUT OF KINDERGARTEN,YOU STILL SEE THINGS THAT ARE NOT THERE NOR EXPRESSED THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO BE ,BOY

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,11:38)

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,16:23) Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,09:14) Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,13:24) Jammi Quote the trinity tells us that there are 3 persons but one in essence or nature and that is nature God. that is the true teachings of the apostles. although we cant find in the bible the word “trinity”, the meaning of it is the same teaching that the apostles have in mind. COULD YOU PRESENT 7 SEVEN SCRIPTURES THAT GIVE CLEAR TEACHING OF THE TRINITY ;BOY I HOPE YOU DO NOT RUN AWAY ,BOY, i dont need 7. here is the verse for that luke 3.22 New International Version (©2011) and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” the holy spirit came down the father said you are my son. the son was in jordan Jamin it seems you are hooked on the trinity ,so you can not see scriptures the way they are written ,you see them through your own preset mind why dont you open your mind and let God rule over you is the father not a person? is the son not a person? if you answer yes then do you believe that they are both God? if you are confused then just think that you and your father are both HUMAN. did you get it? Christ and his father are both God. God the father God the son

JAMMIN

Quote

why dont you open your mind and let God rule over you

God rules in my heart and soul, not men ,or my own mind like you do ,

Quote

is the father not a person? is the son not a person? if you answer yes then do you believe that they are both God? if you are confused then just think that you and your father are both HUMAN. did you get it? Christ and his father are both God. God the father God the son

I KNOW THEY ARE BOTH GODS ;THE FATHER BEING GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE SON JUST A GOD UNDER THE SERVITUDE OF THE FATHER ,IS IT THIS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY TO ME

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,18:29)

you are the son of your father you are HUMAN just like you father.

And if I am the son of the human President of the United States, I know I would also be human – but would I also be the President of the United States?

What you are TRYING (unsuccessfully) to do is say “President” IS the nature, therefore the son of the President would also be President.  

But “President” is the TITLE of a RULER – just like “God” is the TITLE of a RULER.  Can you understand that?

Okay, listen very closely to this part:
The son of a human President would share that human nature with his father, but he would NOT share the TITLE of that ruler, “President”, with his father.

Likewise, the son of the spirit being known as “God Almighty” would share that spirit nature with his Father, but he would NOT share the TITLE of that ruler, “God Almighty”, with his Father.

“God” is a title that refers to a “mighty one”, jammin.  “God” is NOT a “nature”.  In fact, I don't believe that YOU even truly believe “God” is a “nature”.  I believe the only reason you have kept coming back to this “nature” thing is because you have nothing else.

jammin, look up the meaning of “el” on Google, Wikipedia, or wherever.  Then get back to me after you've learned that the word refers to a PERSON/RULER who is a “mighty one”, NOT to a “nature”.

Once you learn this very basic and well-known fact, you'll be able to understand that Jesus was existing in the form of the PERSON/RULER known as “God Almighty”. And although the Son shared in the spirit nature of his Father, he does not share the TITLE of “God Most High”.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36)

the nature of God is not only spirit the nature of God includes: Omnipotent

Hebrews 1:13
To which of the angels did God ever say, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?

One who is omnipotent does not need another one to place his enemies at his feet.

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36)

Omniscient

Matthew 24:36
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Nope, not omniscient either.

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36)

OMNIPRESENCE

Not even Jesus' God is omnipresent.  If God were truly “everywhere all the time”, then God would BE everything in existence.  The teaching of God's “omnipresence” comes from men, not from scripture.  God dwells in heaven.  But that discussion is for a different thread.

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36)

HOLINESS

Matthew 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

Angels, persons, and places are all said to be “holy” in scripture.  Moses was even told to take off his sandals because he was standing on holy GROUND, jammin.  And God told Israel that they must be holy, because He is holy.  Even the burnt offerings (burnt up pieces of dead animals) were holy.

So I don't think you can use the fact that Jesus is holy to say he is God Almighty.

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36)

UNIQUENESS

Many things are “unique”.  Uniqueness does not make someone be “God Almighty”.

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36)

ETERNALNESS

Romans 6:9
For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.

Jesus died once.  His God and our God has now made him eternal – he will not die again.  It will be the same for those of us who overcome.  We will also be given eternal life.  It won't make us be the God who gave us that eternal life though.  And likewise, it doesn't make Jesus be the God who gave him that eternal life.

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36)

SELF-EXISTENT

John 6:57
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

jammin, it seems your “proofs” have all been shot down.  Most of them by scriptures, the others by simple common sense.

Your entire doctrine is just as easily shot down.  I know, because I've been doing it for years.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,12:12)

Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,18:29) you are the son of your father you are HUMAN just like you father. And if I am the son of the human President of the United States, I know I would also be human – but would I also be the President of the United States? What you are TRYING (unsuccessfully) to do is say “President” IS the nature, therefore the son of the President would also be President.   But “President” is the TITLE of a RULER – just like “God” is the TITLE of a RULER.  Can you understand that? Okay, listen very closely to this part: The son of a human President would share that human nature with his father, but he would NOT share the TITLE of that ruler, “President”, with his father. Likewise, the son of the spirit being known as “God Almighty” would share that spirit nature with his Father, but he would NOT share the TITLE of that ruler, “God Almighty”, with his Father. “God” is a title that refers to a “mighty one”, jammin.  “God” is NOT a “nature”.  In fact, I don't believe that YOU even truly believe “God” is a “nature”.  I believe the only reason you have kept coming back to this “nature” thing is because you have nothing else. jammin, look up the meaning of “el” on Google, Wikipedia, or wherever.  Then get back to me after you've learned that the word refers to a PERSON/RULER who is a “mighty one”, NOT to a “nature”. Once you learn this very basic and well-known fact, you'll be able to understand that Jesus was existing in the form of the PERSON/RULER known as “God Almighty”.  And although the Son shared in the spirit nature of his Father, he does not share the TITLE of “God Most High”.

of course you are not the president. presidency is an office.

we are talking about nature here.

are you and the president not hUMAN?

you are both human right?

you must remember that the son is like his father. they have the SAME nature and that is nature God

just like you and the president, you have the same nature and that is HUMAN nature.

i already said this to you many time but you dont pay attention sunshine LOL

this is so basic but you cant accept the truth boy

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,12:50)

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36) the nature of God is not only spirit the nature of God includes: Omnipotent Hebrews 1:13 To which of the angels did God ever say, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”? One who is omnipotent does not need another one to place his enemies at his feet. Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36) Omniscient Matthew 24:36 But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Nope, not omniscient either. Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36) OMNIPRESENCE Not even Jesus' God is omnipresent.  If God were truly “everywhere all the time”, then God would BE everything in existence.  The teaching of God's “omnipresence” comes from men, not from scripture.  God dwells in heaven.  But that discussion is for a different thread. Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36) HOLINESS Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. Angels, persons, and places are all said to be “holy” in scripture.  Moses was even told to take off his sandals because he was standing on holy GROUND, jammin.  And God told Israel that they must be holy, because He is holy.  Even the burnt offerings (burnt up pieces of dead animals) were holy. So I don't think you can use the fact that Jesus is holy to say he is God Almighty. Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36) UNIQUENESS Many things are “unique”.  Uniqueness does not make someone be “God Almighty”. Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36) ETERNALNESS Romans 6:9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. Jesus died once.  His God and our God has now made him eternal – he will not die again.  It will be the same for those of us who overcome.  We will also be given eternal life.  It won't make us be the God who gave us that eternal life though.  And likewise, it doesn't make Jesus be the God who gave him that eternal life. Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:36) SELF-EXISTENT John 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. jammin, it seems your “proofs” have all been shot down.  Most of them by scriptures, the others by simple common sense. Your entire doctrine is just as easily shot down.  I know, because I've been doing it for years.

you said too much.
this is a long discussions but i am sure that you do not know what you are saying.

ok ill just put one here.
you said the teaching GOD is omnipresent is not biblical.

here is my question.
what if i can read to you a word for word that God is omnipresent, will you accept that you are a FALSE TEACHER AND YOU ARE A LIAR?

YES OR NO?

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2013,11:55)

Jamin Quote what? are you kdding mate? LOL ok let me post it again you said Christ is not equal with God. let me the verse of the bible Philippians 2:6 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, do you understand that? maybe you need to go to school first and study to read Phil 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Phil 2:4 Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Phil 2:5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross! Phil 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, now boy; if he was equal to God almighty tell me why DID GOD ALMIGHTY MADE HIM “EXALTED HIM TO THE HIGHEST PLACE “NOT ABOVE GOD HIM SELVES BUT “GIVE HIM A NAME THAT IS ABOVE EVERY NAME ” BUT NOT ABOVE GOD ALMIGHTY'S NAME , YOU THINK I SHOULD GO TO SCHOOL ,THEN YOU NEVER CAME OUT OF KINDERGARTEN,YOU STILL SEE THINGS THAT ARE NOT THERE NOR EXPRESSED THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO BE ,BOY

are you blind??

let me post it again
Philippians 2:6
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,

what did paul say?
is he equal with God or not?

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