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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,13:43) Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,19:52) Two individual beings.
Okay Kathi. I too believe that the Father and the Son are TWO individual beings – not two “persons in one being”. (The latter is what jammin believes, but Kerwin and I feel he is too embarrassed of his own belief to come right out and say it.)
i told you it depends on how you use the word being boydo you have memory gaP? how many times do i need to tell you this.
the first thing that you should know is what is the meaning of being
study the meaning of being first before you talk.
kerwin,
the father and the son are two individual beings (persons) but have the same nature God.
you and your father are two individual beings but have the same nature HUMAN.
is that hard to understand?
the trinity tells us that there are 3 persons but one in essence or nature and that is nature God.
that is the true teachings of the apostles. although we cant find in the bible the word “trinity”,
the meaning of it is the same teaching that the apostles have in mind.kerwin, mike and to all anti christ,
believe it or not, christ is God just like his father
thomas called him my Lord and my God.
paul said he is God.
john said he is God.the son is like his father.
Lightenup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote He agrees with me that they are two individual beings in this quote: Lightenup,
BUT STILL ONE SPIRIT.
STILL ONE GOD IN THE SAME INSTANT.
WHILE
THE FATHER
THE SON
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
FUNCTION INDIVIDUALLY
IN THE SAME TIME THEY FUNCTION AS ONE.
LIKE OUR GALAXY
THERE ARE MANY INDIVIDUAL PLANETS,STARS AND MOONS AND SO ON WHICH FUNCTION DIFFERENTLY, BUT THEY FUNCTION AS ONE, ALL AROUND THE SUN!
ALSO ALL OUR GALAXY EMERGED THROUGH OUR SUN.
ALL SEVEN UNIVERSIES ARE THE MANIFESTATION OF GOD FUNCTIONING THROUGH THE WORD! JESUS' SPIRIT!
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!
THE FATHER REMAIN ALWAYS A SPIRIT WITHIN!
TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD
WHEN HE WILL BE
ALL SPIRITUAL CREATURES WITHIN ALL MATERIAL CREATURES
ALL IN ALL
ONE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS HEAD IS GOD!
AND THE HEAD DISTINGUISHES THE BEING
ONE KINGDOM OF GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (jammin @ April 19 2013,10:38) kerwin, mike and to all anti christ, believe it or not, christ is God just like his father
thomas called him my Lord and my God.
paul said he is God.
john said he is God.the son is like his father.
Jammin,Jesus came in the flesh, just as every other being has done. Do you agree or do you follow the spirit of the anti-Christ?
Quote Jesus came in the flesh, just as every other being has done. Kerwin,
NOT EXACTLY:
JESUS THE WORD NEVER HAD A CARNAL FATHER.
JESUS' FATHER WAS GOD THE MOST PURE SPIRIT! THE CREATOR !
SO JESUS ALTHOUGH HE WAS IN FLESH THE SON OF MAN!HE WAS ALSO IN SPIRIT! THE SON OF GOD
TWO NATURES BOTH OF GOD'S SUBSTANCE
THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING FOR THE WORD GOD IN FLESH.
IT WAS STILL GOD'S SPIRIT SUBSTANCE.
HE HAD NOTHING OF EARTH LIKE ALL OF US SO HE DIDN'T COME IN FLESH LIKE ALL OF US DO!
HE MADE IT CLEAR:
THIS IS NOT MY KNIGDOM!
I AM FROM HEAVEN TOTALLY
YOU ARE FROM BENEATH TOTALLY FROM HELLAND HELL IS THE CENTRE OF THE WORLD!
HE NEEDED THE FLESH TO BE VISIBLE BUT HE WAS A GENUINE SPIRIT FROM THE FATHER THROUGHOUT.
HE DEMONSTRATED THIS:
ON MOUNT TABOR!
WHEN HE WALKED ON SEA WATER!
WHEN THEY TRIED TO KILL HIM BUT HE SIMPLY WALKED AWAY AS THEY COULDN'T GET HOLD OF HIM!
WHEN HE WENT FROM TIBERIAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER TO CAPHARNAUM IN AN INSTANT
SO ANY TIME HE WANTED TO DIMATERIALIZE HIMSELF HE COULD SO IN A TWINKLE OF AN EYE!
John 6:The next day, the multitude that stood on the other side of the sea, saw that there was no other ship there but one, and that Jesus had not entered into the ship with his disciples, but that his disciples were gone away alone. 23But other ships came in from Tiberias; nigh unto the place where they had eaten the bread, the Lord giving thanks. 24When therefore the multitude saw that Jesus was not there, nor his disciples, they took shipping, and came to Capharnaum, seeking for Jesus. 25And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him: Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
Kerwin:
Do you accept the fact that Jesus the word was a GENUINE PARADOX IN EVERY SENSE?
ALSO NOT LIKE ALL OF US
IF NOT, MENTION WHERE ACCORDING TO YOU HE WASN'T
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote I too believe that the Father and the Son are TWO individual beings – not two “persons in one being”. Mike,
I'm afraid you are not sure of what you're saying:
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit have both an individual function,and a triune function in one instant!
When Jesus was in the world he was one being A MAN, but in fact he was two full beings:
ONE AS SON OF MAN OBVIOUS IN FLESH
and
ONE A SON OF GOD OBVIOUS IN SPIRIT
HE ALSO WAS THE GODHEAD AS A BEING
THEREFORE:
THE FATHER HIS SPIRIT
THE SON HIS FLESH BODY
THE HOLY SPIRIT HIS SOUL
THE SAME APPLY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT:
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS WITHIN US CHRISTIANS:
HE IS ALSO GOD'S KINGDOM WITHIN US.
JESUS CONFIRMED THIS WHEN HE SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS IN US!
PAUL SAID:
WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD!
SO THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD ! BOTH AS AN INDIVIDUAL SPIRIT AND AS TRIUNE GOD! AND HE FUNCTIONS ACCORDINGLY!
John 14:23Jesus answered, and said to him: If any one love me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and
WE WILL COME TO HIM, AND WILL MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM.
JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AS AN INDIVIDUAL, IF WE WALK IN HIS LOVE, THE TRIUNE GOD WILL ABODE IN US!
obvious through the Holy Spiritsince we are on earth!
The Father is obvious that He has both the Holy Spirit and his Son within! AS HE IS, A SPIRIT BEING ONLY!
THE SON, JESUS THE WORDTHOUGH IS SUPERIOR SINCE HE HAS ALL POWERS.
THEREFORE AS A BEING HE IS THE TRIUNE GOD GLORIFIED BOTH AS SPIRIT EQUAL TO THE FATHER, AND FLESH, THE TRIUNE GOD AS THE WORD
SO GOD THROUGH THE WORD HAS DOUBLED HIS RICHES.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,23:39) Quote (jammin @ April 19 2013,10:38) kerwin, mike and to all anti christ, believe it or not, christ is God just like his father
thomas called him my Lord and my God.
paul said he is God.
john said he is God.the son is like his father.
Jammin,Jesus came in the flesh, just as every other being has done. Do you agree or do you follow the spirit of the anti-Christ?
do not compare men to christ.
there was no sexual intercourse happened to mary and joseph. do you understand what i mean?john 1.14 said the Word became flesh
that Word is Christ
carmel,
Quote JESUS THE WORD NEVER HAD A CARNAL FATHER. 1) A human is conceived when a male and female gamete unite.
2) A human is conceived when an parent embryo splits off a child embryo.
3) A new combined human body is formed when to embryos combine.
4) A new combined human body is formed when a partheonogenic embryo merges with a normal embryo.
5) A human is conceived from a part of a man.
6) A human is made from the ground.
7) A human is cloned from a human cell.All seven of these are human and in some cases there is not a father of the flesh.
Quote JESUS' FATHER WAS GOD THE MOST PURE SPIRIT! THE CREATOR The Father of each and every true believer is God; the Most Pure Spirit, the Creator.
Quote TWO NATURES BOTH OF GOD'S SUBSTANCE All true believers have the flesh nature and the Spirit Nature.
Quote IT WAS STILL GOD'S SPIRIT SUBSTANCE. God created all substances and therefore God existed before there was a spirit substance.
Quote I AM FROM HEAVEN TOTALLY There is no “Totally” in the passage. God did send him from above, just like he sent John, and John's baptism.
Quote YOU ARE FROM BENEATH TOTALLY FROM HELLAND HELL IS THE CENTRE OF THE WORLD! “You are from beneath” is all I remember Jesus saying to the same Jews he called the children of Satan; who is the God of this world.
Quote SO ANY TIME HE WANTED TO DIMATERIALIZE HIMSELF HE COULD SO IN A TWINKLE OF AN EYE! There are no accounts in Scripture of him Dematerializing. Star Trek has acounts of humans doing so.
Quote Do you accept the fact that Jesus the word was a GENUINE PARADOX IN EVERY SENSE? God is not a God of confusion so there is no paradoxes or conflicts in Scripture.
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Consider that the gospel is teaching a new covenant and not a new religion.Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,05:01) Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,23:39) Quote (jammin @ April 19 2013,10:38) kerwin, mike and to all anti christ, believe it or not, christ is God just like his father
thomas called him my Lord and my God.
paul said he is God.
john said he is God.the son is like his father.
Jammin,Jesus came in the flesh, just as every other being has done. Do you agree or do you follow the spirit of the anti-Christ?
do not compare men to christ.
there was no sexual intercourse happened to mary and joseph. do you understand what i mean?john 1.14 said the Word became flesh
that Word is Christ
Jammin,What of the lack of sexual intercorse. It is not being conceived of sexual intercourse that makes a human a human. One of each pair of identical twins in not conceived of sexual intercourse. Neither Adam or Eve were. Clones are not. Chimeras are not in that they are more Frankenstein's monsters.
Scripture declares Jesus is human and compares him to his brothers.
kerwin,
you said jesus is human. yes he is but you are saying is NOT the whole truth
let me post what the bible said
Philippians 2:6-7
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
6 Christ was truly God.
But he did not try to remain[a]
equal with God.
7 Instead he gave up everything
and became a slave,
when he became
like one of us.the bible said he was God before he became human.
study hard sunshine.
Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,21:44) Now Mike, jammin made it clear to you that it depends on how you use the word 'being.'
No Kathi,He hasn't “made it clear”. In fact, he is going WAY out of his way so he doesn't have to “make it clear”. He is playing games, because he knows that the reality of what his doctrine teaches is too ludicrous to say out loud.
But I'll try once more anyway:
jammin, Kathi, and Charles, is God Almighty:
A. One BEING/ENTITY composed of only one PERSON?
B. One BEING/ENTITY composed of two PERSONS (like conjoined twins are)?
C. One BEING/ENTITY composed of three PERSONS?
D. More than one entirely individual and separate BEINGS/ENTITIES – each composed of only one PERSON?
E. Other (Please explain)
Okay Kathi, watch how he hems and haws and does everything humanly possible to NOT clearly answer the question – simply because he knows his belief sound absolutely ridiculous when said clearly and out loud.
LOL
what are you talking about mike? LOL
i told you already it depends on how you use the word being
do you understand that?
what is the meaning of being in your questions?
Quote (jammin @ April 19 2013,17:54) LOL what are you talking about mike? LOL
i told you already it depends on how you use the word being
See what I mean, Kathi? More games.Okay jammin, the following is from Dictionary.com. It is the 5th definition they offer for the word “being”:
a living thing: strange, exotic beings that live in the depths of the sea.
That is the definition of “being” that I'm using, okay? A LIVING THING, okay?
Now, are Jesus and his God two PERSONS within the same LIVING THING? Or are God and Jesus two completely different LIVING THINGS?
Which one?
Quote (jammin @ April 19 2013,18:58) if you say living thing then you are referring to the person. yes two persons
Two persons who make up one LIVING THING?Or two persons who make up two, completely separate LIVING THINGS?
Which one?
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