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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,13:33) Quote (jammin @ April 12 2013,20:20) your father is a human BEING and you are also a HUMAN BEING.
But are we two different persons in the SAME being, jammin?If we are not, then your analogy fails miserably. (It has failed for months, but you're just too stubborn to admit it.)
of course you are two personsdid i say that the son is also the father?
i said the son is not the father and the father is not the son but they have the same form/nature, God.do you understand that sunshine?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,13:39) Quote (jammin @ April 12 2013,20:21) believe it or not, God is a nature and you can read that in phil 2.6
No jammin,“Natures” aren't called “He”, or “Father”. PERSONS are called by those names – not “natures”.
And Phil 2 doesn't say anything of the sort.
jammin, I'm not one bit surprised that you worship a NATURE as your God and Creator. That nonsensical notion falls right in line with all of your other ones.
Were you created in the image of a “nature”, jammin?
Lay off the mosquito coil for a while, okay?
LOLsunshine what are you talking about?
dont you know the meaning of nature?do read a dictionary first before talking to me. LOL
nature means having the character or qualities of
do you understand that?
i just want to ask you something and pls answer this and do not make excuses sunshine, ok???
WHAT IS YOUR NATURE? DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR NATURE IS HUMAN?
do you believe that you have the human nature?Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,13:30) Quote (carmel @ April 12 2013,14:28) So Jesus IS TRULY God
No Charles,Jesus is the SON OF God. God Almighty doesn't have a God of His own, but Jesus does. In fact, the God of Jesus is the same exact God who is the God of us.
So unless the God OF Jesus is a triune being, then neither is our God – for they are both one and the same.
why cant you believe that the son of God is truly God just like his father?that is written in the bible sunshine. why dont you read yoru bible and stop sniffing mosquito coil. also, do not read watchtower because they will give wrong doctrines.
here is the verse that said christ is truly God
John 1:1
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
The Word of Life1 In the beginning was the one
who is called the Word.
The Word was with God
and was truly God.you do believe that Christ is the WORD in john 1.1 right?
well, believe it or not, the WORD is truly God. sorry sunshineQuote (jammin @ April 12 2013,20:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,13:33) Quote (jammin @ April 12 2013,20:20) your father is a human BEING and you are also a HUMAN BEING.
But are we two different persons in the SAME being, jammin?If we are not, then your analogy fails miserably. (It has failed for months, but you're just too stubborn to admit it.)
of course you are two persons
Try again, jammin. Answer the question I actually asked this time (all of it).Quote (jammin @ April 12 2013,20:54) do read a dictionary first before talking to me.
Show me a dictionary – or any writing for that matter – that identifies “nature” as a “he”.mike,
i told you that nature means having the character or qualities of
do you understand that sunshine?
also, i said that christ and his father are two different persons but one in nature/form and that is nature God.
phil 2.6
john 1.1that is why im asking you
WHAT IS YOUR NATURE? DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR NATURE IS HUMAN?
do you believe that you have the human nature?mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote he didn't REALLY die? Mike,
Again he died HIS PARTICULAR DEATH, NOT HE DIDN'T DIE?
Quote God raised him from his death. YES MIKE YOU ARE RIGHT HIS DEATH, NOT LIKE OUR DEATH, HIS UNIQUE DEATH,
Quote he cannot die AGAIN. Death NO LONGER has mastery over him. AGAIN, MIKE,
HE CANNOT DIE AGAIN: HE CANNOT EMBRACE SATAN AGAIN
AGAIN :
DEATH, SATAN NO LONGER HAS MASTER OVER HIM!
THERE'S NO SCRIPTURES WHICH IN
CLARITY ASSERT THAT JESUS DIED THE SAME DEATH AS OURS
AND YOU SIMPLY DENY THIS BECAUSE YOU ALSO DENY THE DIVINITY OF THE WORD WHICH BECAME FLESH.
JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH!
JESUS IS THE GODHEAD IN FLESH!
JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD!
THE FATHER IS WELL PLEASED WITHIN HIM!
THE FATHER CANNOT PROVE HIMSELF WIHTOUT JESUS!
ONLY JESUS ENEMIES WON'T ACCEPT THIS LIKE YOU AND ALL THE JWS
BUT EVENTUALLY GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, ALL OF YOU END UP AS HIS FOOTSTOOL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,10:37) Quote (jammin @ April 12 2013,20:54) do read a dictionary first before talking to me.
Show me a dictionary – or any writing for that matter – that identifies “nature” as a “he”.
Mike,Traditionally nature is she called Mother Nature. Winter is a man call OLD Man Winter.
Quote (jammin @ April 13 2013,08:23) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2013,17:17) Quote (jammin @ April 12 2013,10:16) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2013,05:55) Quote (jammin @ April 11 2013,09:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 11 2013,11:32) Quote (carmel @ April 10 2013,00:32) NOT AS YOU SAID MIKE, I'M AFRAID HE GAVE HIM a ton of authorityBUT HE GAVE HIM THE ENTIRE AUTHORITY.
That's right, Charles. Jesus' God gave Jesus “all authority in heaven and on earth”, right?Just that one little verse is enough to prove that Jesus is not the “God” who gave him all this authority.
who said that? those who believe that jesus is the father are oneness.of course jesus is not God the father.
you must also know that there is God the only son.
Jamein,So you claim there is both Yawheh the Father and Yawheh the Son. That makes you polytheistic.
I will go with the monotheistic Yawheh of Jesus, Abraham, and Isaac.
i believe that there are two persons but one in nature or essence.just like you and your father. you are two persons but ONE in nature, HUMAN.
Christ and his father are one in nature, God.
Jammin,That is still two Yahwehs just as my father and I are two humans.
I worship only one Yawheh and give obeisance to King Jesus above others just as David did when Saul was king.
not two yahwehs but two personsyou and your father are two persons but one in nature and that HUMAN nature.
christ and his father are two persons but one nature, Godthey have the same form , God
phil 2.6
Jammin,You are striving to use reason with an irrational tenet. You can keep saying nature as much as you want and it still means kind the way you are using it. You strive to avoid stating 1 person plus 1 person = 1 person but nerveless that is your teaching. You can use euphemism is for person but a Yawheh is still a Yawheh by any other name.
You have two Yawhehs one that is a hybrid human and God that can be tempted by evil and the other that is not a hybrid and can't be tempted by evil.
I believe in one Yawheh who is the Father of all and one King who is the human Jesus Christ. I do not have to do hoops to explain my beliefs.
Quote (carmel @ April 13 2013,00:38) DEATH, SATAN NO LONGER HAS MASTER OVER HIM! JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH!
Charles,When did Satan, one of God's creations, ever have mastery over God?
Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,01:20) Traditionally nature is she called Mother Nature. Winter is a man call OLD Man Winter.
Yep. And don't forget “Father Time”. And “Baby New Year”.
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote When did Satan, one of God's creations, ever have mastery over God? Mike,
ARE YOU ADMITTING THAT JESUS IS GOD AT LAST?
ONLY WHEN GOD ALLOW HIM TO DO SO, AS MANIFESTED IN JOB! SYMBOLICALLY JESUS!
ON THE CROSS JESUS BECAME A SINFUL BEING FOR US PURPOSELY IN ORDER TO PERMIT SATAN ACCOMPLISH HIS PROCEDURE DEATH AND THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS,
JESUS ERADICATED SATAN'S MASTERY OVER THE PERFECT RIGHTEOUS MAN, AND IN THE SAME TIME REDEEMED THE ENTIRE CREATION.
Hebrews 2:14that, through death, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil
SO HERE IT IS CLEAR THAT SATAN, THE EXECUTIONER, THE MURDERER, THE POWER OF DEATH, BY EXECUTING THE ACTION OF DEATH ONTO JESUS IT DIDN'T FUNCTION, BUT INSTEAD HE KILLED HIMSELF WITH HIS OWN ASSETT!
THIS ACTION ON THE CROSS WAS PROPHESIED AND MANIFESTED IN THE OT, WHEN DAVID KILLED GOLIATH WITH HIS OWN SWORD.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote There will be a new heavens, and a new earth, because the old ones will pass away, right? When those things do pass away, will Jesus pass away with them – or will he “continue on”? Hebrews 1:11……………….They shall perish, but thou shalt continue:
12 And as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: but thou art the selfsame, and thy years shall not fail.
Mike,
THE FACT THAT JESUS CONTINUES IT PROVES THAT HE IS A CONTINUEOUS PROCESS SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING.
John 1:1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
OK MIKE?
From that moment which God through the PROCESS OF THE WORD THE MEDIATOR COMMENCED CREATION, IT NEVER STOPPED. IT STILL GOING, AND IT WILL CONTINUE FOR ETERNITY AS PROOF THAT HE IS ETERNAL LIFE
In verse 12, THE PROCESS OF THE WORDTHEREFORE JESUS SHALL CHANGE THE ENTIRE CREATION AS A VESTURE, BUT HE IS (NOTICE THE PRESENT TENSE, SO HE WAS, HE IS, AND HE REMAINNS) THE SLEFSAME BEING GOD!
AND THEN THE ICING MIKE:
thy years shall not fail.
OK ETERNITY !
JESUS, THE WORD IS THE ETERNAL LIFE, AND TO BE ETERNAL FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, HE WOULD NEVER SUFFER ANY KIND OF POSPONMENT, NOT EVEN IN HIS PARTICULAR DEATH!
THE SUPREMACY OVER COMMON DEATH!
JESUS, THE WORD, GOD IN FLESH, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF HIS KINGDOM ALWAYS USED HIS UNIQUE GOD'S ELEMENTS, AND ATTRIBUTES, TO CONFIRM HIMSELF THE REDEEMER,
AND NOT IN DEPTH WITH SATAN IN BOTH HIS ATTRIBUTES AND ASSETTS SO EVEN HIS DEATH IS UNIQUE THEREFORE NOT LIKE OURS!
EVEN HIS MOTHER'S GENEAOLOGY IS UNIQUE!
RIGHT FROM EVE!
REFLECT:
JESUS WAS MAN AND IN THE SAME TIME NOTHING OF EARTH.
HOW ON EARTH JESUS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE REDEEMER, IF HE HAD TO USE A SPECK OF
SATAN'S WORLD,
SATAN'S ATTRIBUTES,
AND SATAN'S ASSETTS,
EVEN WHEN HE WAS IN THE WORLD HE DEMONSTRATED THAT, AND ACCOMPLISHED ALL GOD'S MIRACLES AND WORK THROUGH HIS OWN DIVINE POWERS AND ASSETTS.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,14:14) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,01:20) Traditionally nature is she called Mother Nature. Winter is a man call OLD Man Winter.
Yep. And don't forget “Father Time”. And “Baby New Year”.
Mike,Yes.
Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,18:34) Quote (jammin @ April 13 2013,08:23) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2013,17:17) Quote (jammin @ April 12 2013,10:16) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2013,05:55) Quote (jammin @ April 11 2013,09:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 11 2013,11:32) Quote (carmel @ April 10 2013,00:32) NOT AS YOU SAID MIKE, I'M AFRAID HE GAVE HIM a ton of authorityBUT HE GAVE HIM THE ENTIRE AUTHORITY.
That's right, Charles. Jesus' God gave Jesus “all authority in heaven and on earth”, right?Just that one little verse is enough to prove that Jesus is not the “God” who gave him all this authority.
who said that? those who believe that jesus is the father are oneness.of course jesus is not God the father.
you must also know that there is God the only son.
Jamein,So you claim there is both Yawheh the Father and Yawheh the Son. That makes you polytheistic.
I will go with the monotheistic Yawheh of Jesus, Abraham, and Isaac.
i believe that there are two persons but one in nature or essence.just like you and your father. you are two persons but ONE in nature, HUMAN.
Christ and his father are one in nature, God.
Jammin,That is still two Yahwehs just as my father and I are two humans.
I worship only one Yawheh and give obeisance to King Jesus above others just as David did when Saul was king.
not two yahwehs but two personsyou and your father are two persons but one in nature and that HUMAN nature.
christ and his father are two persons but one nature, Godthey have the same form , God
phil 2.6
Jammin,You are striving to use reason with an irrational tenet. You can keep saying nature as much as you want and it still means kind the way you are using it. You strive to avoid stating 1 person plus 1 person = 1 person but nerveless that is your teaching. You can use euphemism is for person but a Yawheh is still a Yawheh by any other name.
You have two Yawhehs one that is a hybrid human and God that can be tempted by evil and the other that is not a hybrid and can't be tempted by evil.
I believe in one Yawheh who is the Father of all and one King who is the human Jesus Christ. I do not have to do hoops to explain my beliefs.
LOLdont you know how to use math?
ok ill give a kindergarten example sunshine
you and your father = 2
that is 1 +1 =2
right?
do you agree? of course i know you do agree.and do you also agree that you and your father have the same nature and that is HUMAN nature? do you agree that you only have ONE nature?
why dont you face the truth that you do not have two natures. you are not an animal and at the same time HUMAN. do you understand what i mean?
you only have ONE NATUREchrist and his father have the same nature, God.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,19:14) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,01:20) Traditionally nature is she called Mother Nature. Winter is a man call OLD Man Winter.
Yep. And don't forget “Father Time”. And “Baby New Year”.
stop eating quaker oats. eat some meat. your brain has lack of nutrition sunshineQuote (jammin @ April 14 2013,04:52) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,18:34) Quote (jammin @ April 13 2013,08:23) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2013,17:17) Quote (jammin @ April 12 2013,10:16) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2013,05:55) Quote (jammin @ April 11 2013,09:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 11 2013,11:32) Quote (carmel @ April 10 2013,00:32) NOT AS YOU SAID MIKE, I'M AFRAID HE GAVE HIM a ton of authorityBUT HE GAVE HIM THE ENTIRE AUTHORITY.
That's right, Charles. Jesus' God gave Jesus “all authority in heaven and on earth”, right?Just that one little verse is enough to prove that Jesus is not the “God” who gave him all this authority.
who said that? those who believe that jesus is the father are oneness.of course jesus is not God the father.
you must also know that there is God the only son.
Jamein,So you claim there is both Yawheh the Father and Yawheh the Son. That makes you polytheistic.
I will go with the monotheistic Yawheh of Jesus, Abraham, and Isaac.
i believe that there are two persons but one in nature or essence.just like you and your father. you are two persons but ONE in nature, HUMAN.
Christ and his father are one in nature, God.
Jammin,That is still two Yahwehs just as my father and I are two humans.
I worship only one Yawheh and give obeisance to King Jesus above others just as David did when Saul was king.
not two yahwehs but two personsyou and your father are two persons but one in nature and that HUMAN nature.
christ and his father are two persons but one nature, Godthey have the same form , God
phil 2.6
Jammin,You are striving to use reason with an irrational tenet. You can keep saying nature as much as you want and it still means kind the way you are using it. You strive to avoid stating 1 person plus 1 person = 1 person but nerveless that is your teaching. You can use euphemism is for person but a Yawheh is still a Yawheh by any other name.
You have two Yawhehs one that is a hybrid human and God that can be tempted by evil and the other that is not a hybrid and can't be tempted by evil.
I believe in one Yawheh who is the Father of all and one King who is the human Jesus Christ. I do not have to do hoops to explain my beliefs.
LOLdont you know how to use math?
ok ill give a kindergarten example sunshine
you and your father = 2
that is 1 +1 =2
right?
do you agree? of course i know you do agree.and do you also agree that you and your father have the same nature and that is HUMAN nature? do you agree that you only have ONE nature?
why dont you face the truth that you do not have two natures. you are not an animal and at the same time HUMAN. do you understand what i mean?
you only have ONE NATUREchrist and his father have the same nature, God.
Jammin,You are opening your mouth without imparting any understanding.
How many Yawheh's are there?
To me there is only one.
There is one human King of all things in heaven and on earth. Yawheh is the King and God of that King.
do you understand what i said?
you and your father HAVE THE SAME FORM OR NATURE AND THAT IS YOUR HUMAN FORM/NATURE.why cant you accept that Christ and his father have the same form/nature and that is nature God
Quote (carmel @ April 13 2013,09:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,19:09) When did Satan, one of God's creations, ever have mastery over God? Mike,
ARE YOU ADMITTING THAT JESUS IS GOD AT LAST?
ONLY WHEN GOD ALLOW HIM TO DO SO, AS MANIFESTED IN JOB!
Nope. I'm just using your own words against you. YOU say that “death” is really “Satan”. And YOU say that it was “Satan” who at one time had mastery over Jesus. And YOU say that Jesus is Almighty God.So I'm asking when Satan ever had mastery over Almighty God.
It seems your answer is: Whenever God let him.
Really? There was a time when God Almighty let Satan have mastery over Him? Show me in scripture.
Quote (carmel @ April 13 2013,10:59) Mike, THE FACT THAT JESUS CONTINUES IT PROVES THAT HE IS A CONTINUEOUS PROCESS SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING.
You are so blinded by your bias that you can no longer even see it.You say “you will continue on” proves Jesus died differently than the rest of us. I surely don't see those words.
But then when I say, “Since he has died and been raised, he cannot die again” – you pretend that those words aren't even in the scriptures.
Charles, death NO LONGER has mastery over Jesus. Those words mean that death, at one time, DID have mastery over him.
There is no need to discuss it further.
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