JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 30 2012,20:03)

that is what 1 john 4.9 says his ONLY SON 1 John 4:9 Common English Bible (CEB) 9 This is how the love of God is revealed to us: God has sent his only Son into the world so that we can live through him.

1 John 4:9 says, God has sent his only Son into the world……….

I know that because of the man-made doctrine to which you cling, you read that as, THE FATHER PART OF God has sent his only Son into the world………, but that is not really what it says.

It speaks of one person, “God”, sending a completely different person who is NOT “God”, into the world.

But you can't understand it the right way because of that doctrine you have fallen in love with.

Mark 7:8
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 01 2013,12:18)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 30 2012,20:03) that is what 1 john 4.9 says his ONLY SON 1 John 4:9 Common English Bible (CEB) 9 This is how the love of God is revealed to us: God has sent his only Son into the world so that we can live through him. 1 John 4:9 says, God has sent his only Son into the world………. I know that because of the man-made doctrine to which you cling, you read that as, THE FATHER PART OF God has sent his only Son into the world………, but that is not really what it says. It speaks of one person, “God”, sending a completely different person who is NOT “God”, into the world. But you can't understand it the right way because of that doctrine you have fallen in love with. Mark 7:8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.

of course who is that GOD?

that God has a son. therefore he is GOd the father.
did you get that?
he has ONE AND ONLY SON

do you know that? his SON is like him.
like father like son

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 01 2013,12:18)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 30 2012,20:03) that is what 1 john 4.9 says his ONLY SON 1 John 4:9 Common English Bible (CEB) 9 This is how the love of God is revealed to us: God has sent his only Son into the world so that we can live through him. 1 John 4:9 says, God has sent his only Son into the world………. I know that because of the man-made doctrine to which you cling, you read that as, THE FATHER PART OF God has sent his only Son into the world………, but that is not really what it says. It speaks of one person, “God”, sending a completely different person who is NOT “God”, into the world. But you can't understand it the right way because of that doctrine you have fallen in love with. Mark 7:8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.

did the verse say the son is not God?

i cant read your imagination. it just said God sent his SON
the verse did not say GOD sent his SON who is not God.

you should know how to analyze the sentence mike. first, who is that GOD??? that is GOd the father.

is the SOn not God just like his father?

let the bible speak
Philippians 2:6

New Life Version (NLV)

6 Jesus has always been as God is. But He did not hold to His rights as God.

that is what the bible says mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 01 2013,05:11)

i cant read your imagination. it just said God sent his SON the verse did not say GOD sent his SON who is not God.

Talk about imagination!

jammin, is there any other circumstance in the history of man where you could apply this same logic?

For example, if I said, “John sent his son”, would you really need it to add, “…..who is not the John who sent him” in order for you to understand it?

How about, “The President sent his son”? Would you just assume that this son WAS the very President who SENT him?

Of course not. In any case in human history where someone SENT someone, everybody in their right mind realizes that the one who sent is not the one who got sent.

So who sent Jesus? Our ONE and ONLY God, right? The laws of logic prohibit Jesus from BEING the very one who SENT him, jammin. That means Jesus is NOT our ONE and ONLY God who sent him.

Like I said, your doctrine is very silly to me.

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Dec. wrote:

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There is no scriptural indication that Adam, at the age of 930 years, died a different kind of death than all the humans who came after him died.

Mike,

I asked you:

WHAT KIND OF DEATH ADAM DIED IN???

With your answer you confirmed that you don't know why because of Adam's unique death HE DIED AT THE AGE OF 930 YEARS, and you and the entire human race still die today!!!

So do you or don't you know :

What kind of death Adam  died IN, which we as Christians are not,and will never die IN,

thanks to Jesus,

which caused Adam's death,and all the human race up to this day?

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[mikeboll64]

Charles,

I really have no clue as to what you're talking about. Why not just tell me “the answer” that I “don't know”, okay?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2013,01:51)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 01 2013,05:11) i cant read your imagination. it just said God sent his SON the verse did not say GOD sent his SON who is not God. Talk about imagination!   jammin, is there any other circumstance in the history of man where you could apply this same logic? For example, if I said, “John sent his son”, would you really need it to add, “…..who is not the John who sent him” in order for you to understand it? How about, “The President sent his son”?  Would you just assume that this son WAS the very President who SENT him? Of course not.  In any case in human history where someone SENT someone, everybody in their right mind realizes that the one who sent is not the one who got sent. So who sent Jesus?  Our ONE and ONLY God, right?  The laws of logic prohibit Jesus from BEING the very one who SENT him, jammin.  That means Jesus is NOT our ONE and ONLY God who sent him. Like I said, your doctrine is very silly to me.

john is a NAME
president is a RANK

do you understand that boy??

GOD IS NATURE
phil 2.6 very nature GOD.

do you understand that boy?

the son is also God by nature. he was in the form of GOD PHIL 2.6

btw i remember your doctrine that you are saying form of HIS God in phil 2.6 LOL

what a funny doctrine. it is very obvious that you are adding words just to support your imagination LOL

[kerwin]

Jammin,

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GOD IS NATURE phil 2.6 very nature GOD. do you understand that boy?

You are not even showing an understanding of English.

Definition of NATURE at Merriam-Webster.

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a : the inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing : essence b : disposition, temperament …

So which one or more are you claiming?

1) Jesus is in the very essence God
2) Jesus is in the very disposition God
3) Jesus is in the very temperament God

Mike believes nature of God = essence of angels as he holds God has a spirit body; just as he claims the angels do.

Note: Mike please correct me if I am mistaken about what you believe.

My point is that once again your evidence is not supporting your conclusions.

[GeneBalthrop]

To All………..God is a Spirit (intellect, giving us cognate thoughts or enlightment of the mind) expressed through Words.  So the God , the Word the light, are all aspects of the same thing.  Nothing complicated about it once you get rid of all the false Doctrine and teachings taught by False Christanity.

Jesus is not a God, a God/man, a demigod, a Morphed Angel, or any of that , he is a 100%  pure human being a SON of MAN  who came into existence by being born in the flesh A prophesied to come human being.  He never existed before his berth on this earth .

All who move Jesus' exact idenity with mankind are antichrists and even more ,anti-God. All who preach the Doctrine that “separates” Jesus form our exact idenity with him are false teachers.  They who want this “seperation” will recieve it , unless they repent . Mankind is God's CROWN JEWEL of his CREATION there is nothing higher in Gods, creation then Man, Just as it say,

what is man that thou are mindfull of him, you have made him a “little” lower the the angels , thou hast crowned him with Glory and honor, and has put all thing under his (mankinds) feet , in that God has put all things under mans feet, there is nothing that is not under His (manknds) feet. So why do people try so hard to make Jesus different then mankind, his brotheres and sisters?, nothing could be a higher creation, of God then man. IMO

peace and Love to you all…………………………………………gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 01 2013,19:29)

president is a RANK

Actually, “President” is a title, just like “God”.

Neither the Hebrew word “elohim”, nor the Greek word “theos”, ever refer to a nature, jammin.  “God” is not a species that has members of the same nature.

You always ask if me and my father have the same nature.  Of course we do, because we are both members of a SPECIES known as “human being”.

Like I told you and Kathi a long time ago, everything about your understanding relies on “God” being a SPECIES of being, of which there are only two members:  The Father, and the Son. But because you both know how ludicrous that line of reasoning is, neither of you will come out and SAY God is a species – even though it is exactly what you describe.

But “God” is NOT a species like “human being” is a species.  Your point is not only moot, but nonsensical.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,00:53)

Mike believes nature of God = essence of angels as he holds God has a spirit body; just as he claims the angels do. Note: Mike please correct me if I am mistaken about what you believe.

Close enough, Kerwin.

I believe that the nature of God is “SPIRIT NATURE”. I believe His firstborn son, and all of His other spirit sons, share this same SPIRIT NATURE.

None of the sons actually ARE the very God they share a spirit nature with, though. To think otherwise would be to invite stupidity into your way of thinking.

You'll notice that jammin couldn't actually address my points from that last post. He can only keep pushing his “nature” thing over and over, because he can't actually refute the things we post.

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike……Jesus said God is “A” Spirit Being Spirit “IT” can indwell any flesh body that is why it says that God may be “ALL” and in you “ALL”. Spirit gives us our Cognate thoughts and as a result does provide us with “IT'S” Nature very own Nature which it produces also. Jesus as a result of the Spirit of God abiding “IN” Him also had the Nature of God in him also. God's very love was in him . Those who have God's Spirit in them have God's Love shed abroad in their hearts also and are loving people too.

Spirits do produce different types and kinds of natures, and that applies to all flesh creation on this earth and in the sea. All nature of animals can be changed by changing the Spirit working in them, even wild beast .

Spiirts are not Persons they are what is “IN” a Person. God is not a Man, Jesus is a Man. And Jesus is not a Spirit , he has Spirit “IN” HIM. If you understood this then you could understand How GOd was truly “IN” Jesus Mike.

peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………………………………….gene

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,17:53)

Jammin, Quote GOD IS NATURE phil 2.6 very nature GOD. do you understand that boy? You are not even showing an understanding of English. Definition of NATURE at Merriam-Webster. Quote a : the inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing : essence b : disposition, temperament … So which one or more are you claiming? 1) Jesus is in the very essence God 2) Jesus is in the very disposition God 3) Jesus is in the very temperament God Mike believes nature of God = essence of angels as he holds God has a spirit body; just as he claims the angels do. Note: Mike please correct me if I am mistaken about what you believe. My point is that once again your evidence is not supporting your conclusions.

let us read what the bible says about nature

Philippians 2:6

New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,

the NIV says nature GOD

what is the meaning of that?

let us read again phil 2.6
Philippians 2:6

Amplified Bible (AMP)

6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped [c]or retained,

did you see that?
it means possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD

that is what the bible says

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 03 2013,08:03)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 01 2013,19:29) president is a RANK Actually, “President” is a title, just like “God”. Neither the Hebrew word “elohim”, nor the Greek word “theos”, ever refer to a nature, jammin.  “God” is not a species that has members of the same nature. You always ask if me and my father have the same nature.  Of course we do, because we are both members of a SPECIES known as “human being”. Like I told you and Kathi a long time ago, everything about your understanding relies on “God” being a SPECIES of being, of which there are only two members:  The Father, and the Son.  But because you both know how ludicrous that line of reasoning is, neither of you will come out and SAY God is a species – even though it is exactly what you describe.   But “God” is NOT a species like “human being” is a species.  Your point is not only moot, but nonsensical.

GOd is nature. phil 2.6

it says nature God.

you agree that you and your father have the same nature.
accept that Christ and his father have also the same nature, God.
i speak what the bible says. if the bible is silent, YOU MUST BE SILENT. im not like you mike LOL. you say even if it is not in the bible.
you have many imaginations.
example,
you say form of HIS GOD in phil 2.6 but no version says that
you say Christ is not God but the bible says he is God. thomas said that
you say satan is a son of God but no version says that LOL

i think you should take some rest mike. you need that LOL

[jammin]

mike,

there is no little god.
LOL

actually you are confused with your belief . before you believe christ is god but now he is God to you. LOL

i think you should fix your doctrine first LOL

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 03 2013,07:00)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,17:53) Jammin, Quote GOD IS NATURE phil 2.6 very nature GOD. do you understand that boy? You are not even showing an understanding of English. Definition of NATURE at Merriam-Webster. Quote a : the inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing : essence b : disposition, temperament … So which one or more are you claiming? 1) Jesus is in the very essence God 2) Jesus is in the very disposition God 3) Jesus is in the very temperament God Mike believes nature of God = essence of angels as he holds God has a spirit body; just as he claims the angels do. Note: Mike please correct me if I am mistaken about what you believe. My point is that once again your evidence is not supporting your conclusions. let us read what the bible says about nature Philippians 2:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, the NIV says nature GOD what is the meaning of that? let us read again phil 2.6 Philippians 2:6 Amplified Bible (AMP) 6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped [c]or retained, did you see that? it means possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD that is what the bible says

Jammin,

So you quote the added words of some foolish human(s).  It fails to make your case.  The human(s) does not even appear to know that one and united are synonyms. All God's children are one with him and the fullness of his deity dwells in them through his Spirit.

You do not even like explanation so why except this human who I am convinced does not know what he is speaking of.

Which of these did Jesus do?

1) Jesus took upon him the essence of a servant.
2) Jesus took upon him the disposition/temperament of a servant.

Even though God lives in Jesus, Jesus did not posses all the attributes that make God God as he was tempted even as we are and God cannot be.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 02 2013,19:02)

i think you should take some rest mike.

Good advice, jammin. I believe I WILL take a rest from the silly nonsense you've been spouting here for a long time. It's always the same silly arguments, backed up by the same silly translations – translations that don't even follow the Greek words that were written.

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,01:17)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 03 2013,07:00) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,17:53) Jammin, Quote GOD IS NATURE phil 2.6 very nature GOD. do you understand that boy? You are not even showing an understanding of English. Definition of NATURE at Merriam-Webster. Quote a : the inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing : essence b : disposition, temperament … So which one or more are you claiming? 1) Jesus is in the very essence God 2) Jesus is in the very disposition God 3) Jesus is in the very temperament God Mike believes nature of God = essence of angels as he holds God has a spirit body; just as he claims the angels do. Note: Mike please correct me if I am mistaken about what you believe. My point is that once again your evidence is not supporting your conclusions. let us read what the bible says about nature Philippians 2:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, the NIV says nature GOD what is the meaning of that? let us read again phil 2.6 Philippians 2:6 Amplified Bible (AMP) 6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped [c]or retained, did you see that? it means possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD that is what the bible says Jammin, So you quote the added words of some foolish human(s).  It fails to make your case.  The human(s) does not even appear to know that one and united are synonyms. All God's children are one with him and the fullness of his deity dwells in them through his Spirit. You do not even like explanation so why except this human who I am convinced does not know what he is speaking of. Which of these did Jesus do? 1) Jesus took upon him the essence of a servant. 2) Jesus took upon him the disposition/temperament of a servant. Even though God lives in Jesus, Jesus did not posses all the attributes that make God God as he was tempted even as we are and God cannot be.

catn your read phil 2.6-7?

Christ took the HUMAN FORM.

do you understand that?
i already answered you and i GIVE A BIBLE VERSE

i do not speak if it is not WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE>
you cant accept that truth bec that is not what you believe. give me any single version that supports your belief. LOL

make your own bible boy

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,05:16)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 02 2013,19:02) i think you should take some rest mike. Good advice, jammin.  I believe I WILL take a rest from the silly nonsense you've been spouting here for a long time.  It's always the same silly arguments, backed up by the same silly translations – translations that don't even follow the Greek words that were written.

that is what the bible says. you cant accept that bec you do not believe that . you want stories mike but i dont.
i believe what is written. commentaries also support my view.
poor mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 03 2013,18:48)

commentaries also support my view.

Scriptures and commentaries also support the existence of “lesser gods”, jammin.  Yet you say there are no “little gods”.

If there are not any “lesser gods”, then who are the gods that Jehovah is the God OF? He is the God OF gods, right? Who are these gods?

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