JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[terraricca]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 25 2012,03:22)

terraricca,Nov. wrote: [/quote] Quote even within your own statement you are false ,never mind the scriptures there you are way,way out Terraricca, FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS!!! Prove otherwise through scripture !!! NOT JUST  BLA!  BLA!  BLA!  BLA! Jesus confirmed: IF I AM LIFTED UP,I DREW ALL THINGS ONTO MYSELF!!! DO YOU WANT MORE PROOFS THEN THAT STATEMENT FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS CHRIST??? IN YOUR OWN INTELIGENCE DEFINE WHAT ALL THINGS ARE!!! AREN'T ALL  THINGS MEAN WHATEVER EXIST STARTING WITH GOD HIMSELF??? CONSIDERING: colossians 1:Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For in him were ALL THINGS created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: a ALL THINGS were created by him and in him. 17 And he is before all, and by him ALL THINGS consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he may hold the primacy: 19 Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that ALL FULLNESS should dwell; 20 And through him to reconcile ALL THINGS UNTO HIMSELF, making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the THINGS   that are on earth, and the THINGS that are in heaven. Now reflect: Isaiah 45:14 Thus saith the Lord: (WHO IS SPEAKING ,THE FATHER OR THE SON???) The labour of Egypt, and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and of Sabaim, men of stature shall come over to thee, ( TO WHOM ??” TO  THE SON OR TO THE FATHER) and shall be thins: they shall walk after thee, (AFTER WHO??? AFTER THE SON OR AFTER THE FATHER) they shall go bound with manacles: and they shall worship thee, ( WORSHIP WHO THE SON OR THE FATHER) and shall make supplication to thee: (TO WHOM TO THE SON OR TO THE FATHER) only in thee is God, (IN WHOM IS GOD??? IN THE SON OR IN THE FATHER) and there is no God besides thee.( BESISDES WHO ,THE SON OR THE FATHER??? SO TO DECIDE WHO IS SPEAKING TO WHOM!!! SO YOU WILL KNOW  WHO IS THIS UNIQUE GOD AND THERE'S NO OTHER BESIDES HIM!!!  IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH !!! 15 Verily thou art a hidden God, ( WHO IS A HIDDEN GOD,THE SON OR THE FATHER) the God of Israel the saviour.( WHO IS CALLING WHO : THE GOD OF ISRAEL THE SAVIOUR??? BUT AGAIN FIRST DECIDE WHO IS SPEAKING TO WHO!!!) 25 Therefore shall he say:( WHO THE FATHER OR THE SON???) In the Lord (IN  WHICH LORD??? THE FATHER OR THE SON???) are my justices and empire: they shall come to him, ( TO WHOM TO THE FATHER OR TO THE SON???) and all that resist him shall be confounded. Peace and love in Jesus Charles

charles

all has to be true according to Gods word not our own ;

so all thing are of God it does not matter what it his ;this is the foundamental truth ;

but ;God decided to give all of what he create to his son to be administrated by Christ,wen I say all it mean not God or Christ himself ,

so now we have GOD OF GODS WHO HIS JEHOVAH THE FATHER AND HE ALSO HIS LORD OF LORDS

NOW THEN WE HAVE HIS SON ;LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS

IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT GOD HIS LORD OVER LORDS BECAUSE HE IS LORD OVER HIS SON CHRIST ,BUT HE ALSO HIS LORD OVER ALL THE LORDS THAT HIS SON HIS LORD OVER ,

I DO NOT SEE CHRIST AND HIS FATHER BE ONE BEING AT ALL

THEY ARE TWO DISTINCT PERSON WITH THEIR OWN WILL,

BUT GOD THE FATHER IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE ONLY GOD TO ALL LIVING THINGS WHILE HIS SON WILL BE THE ONLY ADMINISTRATOR OVER CREATION,SO THAT CHRIST HIS FOREVER THE HIGH PRIEST BECAUSE HE WILL BE THE ONLY ONE TO GO IN FRONT AND SEE GOD AS HE HIS ,JUST LIKE THE TEMPLE OF SOLOMON,OR MOSES HIS ANOTHER EXAMPLE,

THIS IS WHY IT IS SAID THAT HE SITS ON GOD THRONE ,SITTING ON THE SEAT OF THE ONE WHO OWN THAT SEAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM THE OWNER OF IT ,

so all your speculations are rwong ,but you can believe them if you want

[jammin]

mike

you preach not the christ of the bible

[carmel]

terraricca,Nov. wrote:

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THIS IS WHY IT IS SAID THAT HE SITS ON GOD THRONE ,SITTING ON THE SEAT OF THE ONE WHO OWN THAT SEAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM THE OWNER OF IT

Terraricca,

I will start from your last statement:

So Read:

Hebrews 1: But

(THE FATHER)

to the Son:

Thy throne, O God,

SO IT IS THE SON'S THRONE, AND IT IS ALSO GOD!!!

is for ever and ever:

IT IS ALSO FOR EVER HIS!!!

a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

IT IS ALSO  FOR EVER AND EVER THE SON'S KINGDOM

A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE!!!

WHAT  HAPPENED TO THE ALMIGHTY GOD???

WHERE IS HE GOING TO FIT???

OBVIOUS IN THE SAME BODY OF HIS SON,THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH

BOTH GOD AND JESUS CHRIST

THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

HE SIT ON THE SAME THRONE OF HIS SON,AND REMAIN THERE TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD WHEN

HE WILL BE ALL IN ALL

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[terraricca]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 25 2012,12:53)

terraricca,Nov. wrote: [/quote] Quote THIS IS WHY IT IS SAID THAT HE SITS ON GOD THRONE ,SITTING ON THE SEAT OF THE ONE WHO OWN THAT SEAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM THE OWNER OF IT Terraricca, I will start from your last statement: So Read: Hebrews 1: But (THE FATHER) to the Son: Thy throne, O God, SO IT IS THE SON'S THRONE, AND IT IS ALSO GOD!!! is for ever and ever: IT IS ALSO FOR EVER HIS!!! a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom. IT IS ALSO  FOR EVER AND EVER THE SON'S KINGDOM A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE!!! WHAT  HAPPENED TO THE ALMIGHTY GOD??? WHERE IS HE GOING TO FIT??? OBVIOUS IN THE SAME BODY OF HIS SON,THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT. BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH BOTH GOD AND JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST HE SIT ON THE SAME THRONE OF HIS SON,AND REMAIN THERE TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD WHEN HE WILL BE ALL IN ALL Peace and love in Jesus Charles

charles

you see that you do not understand scriptures ,you only understand YOU MIND what you say is not what scriptures are teaching ,

but you can not let go MEN CORRUPTED TEACHINGS WHY

[jammin]

T,

do you believe that Christ is God by nature?
or

[carmel]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,00:31)

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you see that you do not understand scriptures

Terraricca,

Unless you specify what according to you is

“MEN CORRUPTED TEACHINGS “

It is useless shouting!

not just BLA, BLA, BLA,

WRITE WHICH IS CORRUPTED, AND EXPAIN YOUR VEWS SPECIFY AND USE SCRIPTURE TO CONTRADICT ME.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DISCERN THE TRUTH!!!

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[terraricca]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 27 2012,02:06)

terraricca,Nov. wrote: [/quote] Quote you see that you do not understand scriptures Terraricca, Unless you specify what according to you is “MEN CORRUPTED TEACHINGS “ It is useless shouting! not just BLA, BLA, BLA, WRITE WHICH IS CORRUPTED, AND EXPAIN YOUR VEWS SPECIFY AND USE SCRIPTURE TO CONTRADICT ME. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DISCERN THE TRUTH!!! Peace and love in Jesus Charles

charles

I hope you know that by now ;you do not look for truth but just for communicating your personal message ,

stop being dishonest ;face the facts ;truth is equal to your accepted understanding ,

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 24 2012,20:05)

mike you preach not the christ of the bible

My Christ is the Son of God Almighty, just as it was revealed by the Father to Peter.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,11:23)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 24 2012,20:05) mike you preach not the christ of the bible My Christ is the Son of God Almighty, just as it was revealed by the Father to Peter.

yes it is true. but you are not saying the whole truth boy.
truly Christ is the son of God. but he is also God by nature just like his father. that is the true Christ of the bible

not a god boy LOL

[mikeboll64]

Well, is Jesus the Most High God? Or the Son of the Most High God? Which one does scripture say? (Mark 5:7; Luke 1:32, 35; 8:28)

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 26 2012,19:22)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,11:23) My Christ is the Son of God Almighty, just as it was revealed by the Father to Peter. yes it is true. but you are not saying the whole truth

What other “truth” is there?

Jesus either IS our ONE God Almighty, or he is the Son of our ONE God Almighty. He can't be both. So which one does scripture say he is?

[Wakeup]

Is JESUS the WORD of GOD or is he MICHA'EL the arch angel?

We can start with Daniel 10:13. IT SAYS MICHA'EL *ONE* OF THE CHIEF PRINCES. why one of? how many chiefs are there?
Well the book of enoch mentions four chiefs.
1.MICHA'EL. 2. RAFA'EL. 3. GABRIE'ELL. 4. PHANU'EL.
Only this should tell anyone that Jesus could not Be in their rank; but above them,FOR HE CREATED THEM.without the word was not anything made that was made,this includes them.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave UNTO HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it BY HIS ANGEL unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:2 Who BARE RECORD of the WORD OF GOD, and of the TESTIMONY of JESUS CHRIST, and of all things that he saw.(record of *the word*=*testimony of Jesus*).

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the WORDS(testimony) of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and which is TO COME; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;(THE 7 SPIRITS OF THE 7 CHURCHES).

Revelation 1:5 And from JESUS CHRIST, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and the PRINCE OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Revelation 1:6 And hath made us KINGS AND PRIESTS unto GOD HIS FATHER; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh WITH CLOUDS; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the SAID THE LORD, WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and which is TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY.

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I AM ALPHA and OMEGA, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the SON OF MAN, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Revelation 1:14 His head and HIS HAIR WERE WHITE LIKE WOOL, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

Revelation 1:15 And HIS FEET LIKE UNTO FINE BRASS, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a SHARP TWOEDGED SWORD: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

revelation19:13. his name is called *THE WORD OF GOD*
Revelation19:15. out of his mouth goeth a SHARP SWORD—

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST:(is this micha'el?).

revelation22:16. –I AM OF THE ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID,AND THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.

Revelation 1:18 I AM HE THAT LIVED AND WAS DEAD; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

HIS NAME IS CALLED THE *WORD OF GOD*,WHO CREATED ALL; FOR WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYHING MADE THAT WAS MADE. AND THIS INCLUDES MICHA'EL THE ARCH ANGEL,HE ALSO WAS MADE BY THE WORD.

IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE *WORD*.

HEB.1:4.BEING MADE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ANGELS.
HE WAS MADE BETTER THAN MICHA'ELS. NOT EGUAL TO THE ANGELS.

VERS.5. UNTO WHICH OF THE ANGELS SAID HE AT –ANYTIME– **THOU ART MY SON**.(i say none of the angels).(none whatsoever).

VERSE 6.LET ALL THE ANGELS WORSHIP HIM.(angels dont worship an angel; but GOD, THROUGH HIS WORD).

VERSE 9. GOD ADDRESSED JESUS AS *GOD*.THEN HE SAYS;THY GOD HAS SET THEE SO.(his God puts him in that position.

VERSE.13. UNTO WHICH OF THE *ANGELS* DID HE SAY AT ANYTIME; *SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND* UNTILL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.??(i say none of the angels and this includes Micha'el.).

ANYONE PREACHING OTHERWISE IS A FALSE PREACHER.
FOR THEY CAN ONLY SURVIVE(for a while) BY *TWISTING* SCRIPTURE AFTER SCRIPTURE,TO COME OUT OF THAT MIRE THEY HAVE DUG THEM SLELVES INTO,BUT OF NO AVAIL.

JESUS IS NOT AN ANGEL: JESUS WAS THE WORD THAT CREATED ALL THE ANGELS,MICHA'EL INCLUDED.
THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD: THE BEGINNING WAS NOT MICHA'EL.

(daniel 12:1).
MICHA'EL IS THE CHIEF WARRIOR;THE PRINCE OF ISRAEL.
MICHA'EL WILL STAND UP,UNDER THE COMMAND OF THE KING OF KINGS.MICHA'EL WILL SOUND THE TRUMPET AT THE COMING.

JESUS IS THE PRINCE OF PRINCESS;THE LORD OF LORDS;THE KING OF KINGS.
We dont worship angels.

wakeup.

[david]

Oh good. We have a ninth thread on this. I was hoping for a ninth. I found eight wasn't quite enough.

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2012,09:52)

Oh good.  We have a ninth thread on this.  I was hoping for a ninth.  I found eight wasn't quite enough.

[Ed J]

Q: Is Jesus “The Word” of God, or is he Michael the arch angel?

A: Neither

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 24 2012,13:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 23 2012,00:33) Hi Jammin, No, Luke 2:11 does NOT say that; here is what Luke 2:11 actually says: “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior,  which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11) God bless Ed J the Word Lord there refers to jehovah. the version is correct translators know what they are doing. they know the language better than you boy LOL make your own bible

Hi Jammin,

I see you're still using the same old useless tired slogans.
Let me know when you're ready to learn actual biblical doctrine; OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 26 2012,19:38)

T, do you believe that Christ is God by nature? or

Hi Jammin, do you believe that we will someday become “God by nature” as well?

2Pt.1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having
escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2012,15:59)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 26 2012,19:38) T, do you believe that Christ is God by nature? or Hi Jammin, do you believe that we will someday become “God by nature” as well? 2Pt.1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

the verse did not say that u will become GOD by nature someday. that is just your words boy
read the bible well

it says “might be partakers of the divine nature. “
that sentence is not the same as “you will become GOD by nature someday”
i thought you know english well but i think you should go back to grade school LOL

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2012,15:55)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 24 2012,13:03) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 23 2012,00:33) Hi Jammin, No, Luke 2:11 does NOT say that; here is what Luke 2:11 actually says: “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior,  which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11) God bless Ed J the Word Lord there refers to jehovah. the version is correct translators know what they are doing. they know the language better than you boy LOL make your own bible Hi Jammin, I see you're still using the same old useless tired slogans. Let me know when you're ready to learn actual biblical doctrine; OK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

sorry boy but you do not have enough knowledge to talk about this.
i suggest you go to school

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,13:46)

Well, is Jesus the Most High God?  Or the Son of the Most High God?  Which one does scripture say?  (Mark 5:7; Luke 1:32, 35; 8:28)

it does not say that he is not God.
you cant read that in the bible. that is just your illusion boy. LOL

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