JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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mikeboll64,Nov. wrote:

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If it makes sense to you that Jesus is a third of his own God, then go with it.

MIKE,

DON'T KEEP INSISTING THAT JESUS IS A THIRD OF HIS OWN GOD!

IT IS YOUR CORRUPTED MENTALITY.

WHEREVER, AND WHENEVER GOD'S DEITY IS INVOLVED IT IS ALWAYS IN HIS FULNESS!!!

YOU MUST AGREE WITH THIS IT'S SCRIPTURAL!!!

FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT!!! ALWAYS!!!

WHETHER IF ONE IS INVOLVED,OR WHETHER THREE ARE INVOLVED.

ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS ON THE CROSS, HE WAS:

THE FATHER AS HIS SPIRIT

THE HOLY SPIRIT AS HIS SOUL

THE SON AS HIS FLESH BODY

BUT ONE SPIRIT OF GOD ALMIGHTY IN FULL POWER ,WHEN HE WAS THE MOST WEAK.

DEAD.

TO OVERTHROW SATAN.

HOW ON EARTH JESUS COULD HAVE BEEN A THIRD, WHEN EVEN THROUGH HIS OWN WORDS HE CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS ALMIGHTY GOD IN FULL POWER.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[mikeboll64]

Charles,

I await an answer to the question in my last post.

[terraricca]

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HOW ON EARTH JESUS COULD HAVE BEEN A THIRD, WHEN EVEN THROUGH HIS OWN WORDS HE CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS ALMIGHTY GOD IN FULL POWER.

you have a lot of imagination or you have been train by some one who did

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Nov. wrote:

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Also, “the flesh”, as you call it, had his own mind and will.  Can God's will be divided?  Can God be sent down from heaven (by whom?) not to do His own will, but the will of God?

Mike,

Yes I  agree the flesh body had his own will,and he proved it when he was at the age of 12 by not

OBEYING HIS PARENTS  

HE WAS SUPPOSE TO REMAIN WITH THE MALE GROUP.

HE PURPOSELY LEFT THE GROUP TO DO HIS FATHER'S WILL

SO HIS FATHER'S WILL WAS TO DISOBEY HIS PARENTS NO???

HE COMFIRMED

LUKE 2: 48 And seeing him, they wondered. And his mother said to him: Son, why hast thou done so to us? behold thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

49 And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be about my father's BUSINESS?

NOTICE HIS PARENTS WERE REALLY UPSET!!!

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE PARENTS TO DAY IF THEIR SON IS LOST FOR THEE DAYS??? NEVER MIND THOSE HORRIBLE DAYS!!!

SO JESUS OBEYED THE FATHER OF THE FLESH,NOT THE FATHER OF THE SPIRIT!!!

NOTICE SCRIPTURE USED THE WORD BUSINESS.

JESUS ALWAYS USED THE WORD “WORK” WHEN HE REFERED TO HIS FATHER'S WORK!!!

SO BUSINESS IS A REFERNECE TO THE FATHER OF BUSINESS: SATAN!!!

THE FATHER OF THE EARTH SINCE THE FLESH IS OF THE EARTH!!!

SO HERE YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT JESUS WAS A GENUINE MAN AND AS MAN HE HAD TO OBEY THE FATHER OF THE FLESH FIRST!!! WHO WAS SATAN!!!

WHO WAS IN HIS SOULS LIKE ALL HIS BRETHREN!!!

SO JESUS COMFIRMED THAT HUMANS WERE SLAVES OF SATAN,AND THEIR SINS WERE NEVER COMING THROUGH THEIR OWN WILL BUT THROUGH THE WILL OF SATAN THE FATHER OF THE FLESH!!!

50 And they understood not the word that he spoke unto them.

OBVIOUS!!!

51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them.

SO FROM THEN ON HE WAS SUBJECT TO THEM!!!

SO ONLY THAT OCCASION OCCURED THAT JESUS DISOBEYED PURPOSELY HIS PARENTS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE!!!

And his mother kept all these words in her heart.

WITHOUT A DOUBT IT WAS NOT COMING FROM GOD HIS FATHER,BUT FROM HIS ENEMY SATAN.

THIS IS THE WAR JESUS HAD THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE, I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE 18 HIDDEN YEARS THAT HE LIVED AS MAN IN HIS OWN FREE WILL

DEFINITELY OBEYING BOTH THE FATHER OF THE FLESH,AND THE FATHER OF THE SPIRIT TO KEEP SATAN PERPLEXED WHETHER JESUS WAS THE SON OF MAN OR THE SON OF GOD.

REFLECT JESUS ALSO KEPT THIS WAY OF LIVING EVEN AFTER HE DID ALL JUSTICE THROUGH HIS BAPTIZM WHEN HE REMOVED FOR A WHILE SATAN FROM HIS SOUL IN ORDER TO LIVE ONLY AS

SON OF GOD!!!

JESUS HAD BOTH THE SPIRIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,AND THE SPIRIT OF EVIL, IN HIM !!!

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO CONFIRM TO SATAN THAT GOOD IS SUPERIOR TO EVIL.

52 And Jesus advanced in wisdom, and age, and grace with God and men.

WITH GOD REGARING SOULS !!!

WITH MEN REGARDING FLESH!!!

[carmel]

SOMETHING WENT WRONG THROUGH THE LINE!!!
ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU AND TERRARICCA

WHAT DID JESUS MEAN WITH THE WORDS:???

DRB:John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL THINGS to myself.

DEFINE:

ALL THINGS TO MYSELF

SHOW ME YOUR LIGHT

peace and love in Jesus both God and man

Charles

SO THIS IS THE COCNCLUSION FOR THE ABOVE POST!

[carmel]

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c Quote HOW ON EARTH JESUS COULD HAVE BEEN A THIRD, WHEN EVEN THROUGH HIS OWN WORDS HE CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS ALMIGHTY GOD IN FULL POWER. you have a lot of imagination or you have been train by some one who did

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you have a lot of imagination or you have been train by some one who did

Terraricca,

the HOLY SPIRIT!!!

[Ed J]

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 18 2012,02:35) No more then it would make you or I prexistent Gene, WRONG! WE PREEXISTED AS ANGELS! WE JOINED LUCIFER IN THE REBEL! Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Hi Charles,

“The Bible” says  ONLY ONE THIRD  of the Angels rebelled with Lucifer.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2012,02:23)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 16 2012,00:13) are you saying that PAUL is lying when he said that Christ is God  in phil 2.6? Paul never said the Christ (anointed one) OF God was God, jammin. He said God's servant Jesus was existing in the form OF God, but didn't consider equality with [HIS OWN] God something to be grasped. How you and your bogus Trinitarian translators can take such an obvious statement of subservience, and try to FORCE it into a statement of equality, is beyond me. The bad news is that you guys will never stop trying. The good news is that none of that stuff really matters anymore, because the bottom line is that our ONE God is also the God of Jesus. jammin, WHO do you think Jesus meant by the words “my God” in John 20:17? A.  The Father? B.  A combination of Father and Son? Which one please?

let me post what paul said

Philippians 2:6

New Living Translation (NLT)

6 Though he was God,[a]
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.

sorry mike. the bible said that

you have the form of MAN, are not you MAN?

[jammin]

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 16 2012,21:52) who is that YHVH ed? Hi Jammin, “YHVH is GOD”(117) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

who is that YHVH GOD? who is the GOD you are referring to?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2012,02:17)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 16 2012,00:13) the word ONE has a meaning of united. It also has a meaning of “singular”.

i do not deny that mike. but you should also know that ONE also means united.
i know you will agree to that

[jammin]

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Charles, In John 20:17, who was Jesus referring to with the words “my God”?

i thought you believe Christ is God and not GOD.
LOL

before you said that he is god and not God.
but changes has been made. you said that he is God and the father is GOD>

you know what mike, you are confused LOL

talk to a psychiatrist, you need one boy LOL

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2012,16:29) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 16 2012,21:52) who is that YHVH ed? Hi Jammin, “YHVH is GOD”(117) God bless Ed J who is that YHVH GOD? who is the GOD you are referring to?

Hi Jammin,

If you don't know him,
I suggest you do get to know him.

             “YHVH”(63) is the God of “The Bible”(63).

“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (YHVH,)
 the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”  (John 17:3)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

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“The Bible” says  ONLY ONE THIRD  of the Angels rebelled with Lucifer.

Edj,

I know!

The rebel occurred before Genesis 1:2.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Nov. wrote:

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In John 20:17, who was Jesus referring to with the words “my God”?

Mike,

You know that I answered that question!

Since Jesus raised His body up only in the human state, something we also have to do on the last day, He was not yet glorified in the full power of the Father.

Jesus ( the flesh substance)and the Father the spirit substance)were separated on death, so Jesus raised Himself as Man only .

It is important to be so, SINCE ONLY HE DIED.

THE FATHER NEVER DIED SINCE HE IS A SPIRIT.

THEREFORE HE NEVER RESURRECTED ALSO.

SO THIS EVENT OCCERRED IN ORDER TO PROVE THAT THE SON AND THE FATHER WERE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES JESUS WAS THE FLESH BODY,AND THE FATHER WAS THE SPIRIT

So SINCE HE WAS STILL MAN AND NOT YET GLORIFIED IN THE HIGHEST STATE OF THE FATHER, He refered to the Father as His Father and His god.

Go back to page 702 and read it again.

What is the reason that you never posted the scripture

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[mikeboll64]

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SO HERE YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT JESUS WAS A GENUINE MAN AND AS MAN HE HAD TO OBEY THE FATHER OF THE FLESH FIRST!!! WHO WAS SATAN!!! WHO WAS IN HIS SOULS LIKE ALL HIS BRETHREN!!!

So you think that Satan was in the soul of the one you say is “God in flesh”?

You think God in flesh had to obey Satan?

Charles, it's very hard for me to understand how you get many of your ideas from the same scriptures I've read.

[mikeboll64]

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WHAT DID JESUS MEAN WITH THE WORDS:??? DRB:John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL THINGS to myself.

I honestly don't know, Charles.

I know that the word “things” are not in the Greek. The Greek says “draw all to myself”. I know that most translations add the word “men” or “people”, not “things” like your Darby translation.

But I don't really know what is meant by the statement.

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2012,02:17) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 16 2012,00:13) the word ONE has a meaning of united. It also has a meaning of “singular”.   i do not deny that mike. but you should also know that ONE also means united. i know you will agree to that

Of course I agree with that – I believe all things that are true.

But consider the difference in context:

The President is one.  The word “one” in this case most likely refers to a singularity.

Concerning the economy, the President and the Republican Party are one.  The word “one” in this case refers to more than one person being united as one.

(Notice the singular verb “is” in the first sentence, as opposed to the plural verb “are” in the second.)

Now, does scripture say YHWH your God is one?  Or does it say YHWH your God are one?

Also, this is the question you didn't answer in the last post:

jammin, WHO do you think Jesus meant by the words “my God” in John 20:17?

A.  The Father?

B.  A combination of Father and Son?

Which one please?

Please DIRECTLY and HONESTLY answer the question.

[mikeboll64]

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Mike, You know that I answered that question! Since Jesus raised His body up only in the human state, something we also have to do on the last day, He was not yet glorified in the full power of the Father.

I'm sorry Charles.  I do remember now that you answered the question.  In my zeal to point out to you that Jesus couldn't have been “God in flesh” if he was “not yet glorified”, I forgot last time to address the reason for my question.

So your answer is that the God of Jesus in John 20:17 was “the Father”, right?  And Jesus said that his God was also our God, right?  So if our God is Jesus' God, and Jesus' God is “the Father”, then according to our Lord, “the Father” is also our God.

Charles, my God actually IS the God of Jesus, for I'm a part of the “US” Paul talks about in 1 Cor 8:6.  

How do you explain the fact that Jesus told us point blank that our God and his God was “the Father”, yet you have chosen a DIFFERENT God for yourself?

[jammin]

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 18 2012,05:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2012,02:17) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 16 2012,00:13) the word ONE has a meaning of united. It also has a meaning of “singular”.   i do not deny that mike. but you should also know that ONE also means united. i know you will agree to that Of course I agree with that – I believe all things that are true. But consider the difference in context: The President is one.  The word “one” in this case most likely refers to a singularity. Concerning the economy, the President and the Republican Party are one.  The word “one” in this case refers to more than one person being united as one. (Notice the singular verb “is” in the first sentence, as opposed to the plural verb “are” in the second.) Now, does scripture say YHWH your God is one?  Or does it say YHWH your God are one? Also, this is the question you didn't answer in the last post: jammin, WHO do you think Jesus meant by the words “my God” in John 20:17? A.  The Father? B.  A combination of Father and Son? Which one please? Please DIRECTLY and HONESTLY answer the question.

tnx you agree that one means united.

who is the GOD you are referring to?

paul said Christ is GOD

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 18 2012,22:54)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 18 2012,22:13) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2012,16:29) Quote (jammin @ Nov. 16 2012,21:52) who is that YHVH ed? Hi Jammin, “YHVH is GOD”(117) God bless Ed J who is that YHVH GOD? who is the GOD you are referring to? Hi Jammin, If you don't know him, I suggest you do get to know him.              “YHVH”(63) is the God of “The Bible”(63). “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (YHVH,)  the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”  (John 17:3) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

why cant you answer me?

who is the GOD you are referring to?

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