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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2012,02:18) I want to talk more about it, but I don't want to be rude? should I make a seperate thread?
It seems like you and Charles want to talk more about it – so start the thread if you want to. Perhaps I'll join you there.Quote (jammin @ Oct. 21 2012,02:47) did you study greek mike??
talk to me when you have formal studies in greek
Why not just ask your friend Kathi? Are you AFRAID of what her answer will be? 
Oh, and when are you going to answer Kathi's question with a NUMBER?
jammin, how many GODS are required for our eternal salvation?
Here are your choices:
1. ONE GOD.
2. TWO GODS.
3. MORE THAN TWO GODS.
Answer the question scaredy-cat. (That goes for you too, Charles.)
Charles,
I'm sorry but I'm lost in your explanation. Does the Father and the Son and the Spirit each have a will? Are you saying that the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son are the same Spirit? Is this Spirit a person?Bear with me Charles. I'm confused
Charles,
you said:Quote ALL THAT MY FATHER HAS ARE MINE!!! Look at the context for that and tell me what you think it is referring to.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 22 2012,07:27) Quote (jammin @ Oct. 21 2012,02:47) did you study greek mike??
talk to me when you have formal studies in greek Why not just ask your friend Kathi? Are you AFRAID of what her answer will be? Oh, and when are you going to answer Kathi's question with a NUMBER?
jammin, how many GODS are required for our eternal salvation?
Here are your choices:
1. ONE GOD.
2. TWO GODS.
3. MORE THAN TWO GODS.
Answer the question scaredy-cat. (That goes for you too, Charles.)
i already answered that mike
there is one GOD THE FATHER
one GOD THE ONLY SONtwo persons but one in nature, GOD
my example will always be you and your father. you are two persons but one in nature, HUMAN
now can you give your version?
you said form of his God
where can i read that in phil 2.6?you also said uniquely generated
where can i read that in john 1.18??you still have time to search for your imagination mike LOL
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,20:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2012,16:09) Quote (jammin @ Oct. 19 2012,03:36) the greek word says monogenes theos.
it also means GOD THE ONLY SON.
Not even in your wildest dreams does “monogenes theos” mean “God the only Son”.Ask your friend Kathi about it, jammin. She'll confirm what I'm telling you.
Mike,
I heard a scholar talk about this and he explained how it can mean 'only unique kind' which an only begotten God would be. He mentioned something about the 'genes' of monogenes being from a different Greek word that means unique kind. If I come across it, I will let you know. It was on a video.*I found it on the video about at the 1 hour point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v….list=UL
Mike,
Did you watch this video??Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,14:42) Hi Dennison, What is your view on this verse than?
“Choose you this day whom ye will serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house,
we will serve the LORD.” (Josh 24:15)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed JDoes Choose, and Freewill mean the same thing?
If you say yes, than you need a dictionary.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,14:49) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2012,19:30) Charles, There is no such thing as freewill.
Hi Dennison, shall we rip this verse out of our bibles then?“I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm,
which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem,
go with thee.” (Ezra 7:13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Netbible: Ezra 7:13 I have now issued a decree that anyone in my kingdom from the people of Israel – even the priests and Levites – who wishes to do so may go up with you to Jerusalem.mmmmmmmmmMMMMmmmm ITs funny how you quote the only text in the KJV that has “free-will” yet ignore the other texts that mention free-will along with offerings.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2012,19:30) Charles, I was just about to go to sleep, when I bumped into your speculatoins about temptation but I don't know why?
Ill tell you what, If Mike wants me to make a sperate thread about it, than Ill respond. but until than no thanks.
by the way let me correct you on some of your speculations.
Quote So Jesus while He was in the desert was a normal human being left in His free will to do what He Himself felt to do,but since he was sinless, sin didn't have power over Jesus.
1.There is no such thing as freewill.
2. Jesus felt like fasting.Quote The most difficult task for God to Achieve
There isn't a task that is difficult for God.Quote SATAN WAS ONLY AWARE THAT JESUS WAS GOD IN FLESH , WHEN JESUS WAS TAKEN BY SATAN DOWN TO HELL UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS A CRIMINAL AND WAS STUNNED TO SE JESUS IN FLESH TESTED BY THE HOTTEST FIRE OF HELL WHICH SATAN HIMSELF,WHICH WAS HIS ABODE COULDN'T RESIST EVEN AS A SPIRIT.
Everything you said here is unbiblical and only conjectures on your part. You made all that up sir, I know your going to hate more for saying it but its true.
Jesus wasn't taken by Satan to Hell. No where does the bible say that Satan runs hell in the first place. Actually God is the one run's hell, did you know that?
Satan was under no impression that Jesus was a criminal, go look for the word in the bible where it states so. What is the hottest fire of hell? You see what i mean, this is all a religious fanatasy that your trying to use as conviction to what your saying.It holds no truth to it.
So its either your porpously lying or your just deluded.Quote SYMBOLIZED IN THE BURNING BUSH OF MOSES 2 Samuel 22:31 God, his way is immaculate, the word of the Lord is tried by fire: he is the shield of all that trust in him
Psalm 17:3 3 Thou hast proved my heart, and visited it by night,
THOU HAST TRIED ME BY FIRE :
and iniquity hath not been found in me.
ONLY JESUS HAD NO INQUITY!!!
THEY ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Ok.. so now you think Jesus was tested by fire?
What If I told you that God is hell than what?
What If I told you that God is the hottest fire there is?based on this scripture
Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.What say you?
Quote Everything you said here is unbiblical and only conjectures on your part. SIMPLYFORGIVEN,
I LIKE EVERY WORD IN YOUR POST.!!!
I WILL PROVE THAT ALL I STATED IS:
SCRIPTURAL!!!
But the way you reasoned is enough evidence that you are not in the position to substantiate your own seemed to me vague arguments in every rather antagonistic opinions instead contradict me through scriptures.
Quote by the way let me correct you on some of your speculations. Humbly speaking all my seemed eccentric, matured points were not SPECULATIONS,
THEY ARE ALL SCRIPTURALY DERIVED. The reason to post them is ONE and that is to be discussed and contradicted ONLY using scriptures and this is only with the hope of establishing the truths concerning our own origin, purpose, and our destination.Quote There is no such thing as freewill. I RESPECT YOR MENTALITY.
Please respect others as a Christian and substantiate and impart onto others what you believe RIGHT and the THRUTH!!!
More to come !!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,
Quote
I LIKE EVERY WORD IN YOUR POST.!!!
I WILL PROVE THAT ALL I STATED IS:
SCRIPTURAL!!!
You like every word in my post? Is that a good thing?
No, not all that you stated is scriptural.Quote But the way you reasoned is enough evidence that you are not in the position to substantiate your own seemed to me vague arguments in every rather antagonistic opinions instead contradict me through scriptures.
I can substantiate my points, but im negating the points you provided and that YOU presented to me. You decided to chime in, and presented your “thoughts” without any substance. So the burden is on YOU to substantiate your claims.
I can substantiate my claims, and I even mentioned that im not going to get too much into it because I perfer to make a seperate thread, which I will when I find the time to.Your previous explaination about Jesus temptation and how He went to hell and back is in fact VAGUE, which is why I called you out on it.
Quote Humbly speaking all my seemed eccentric, matured points were not SPECULATIONS,
THEY ARE ALL SCRIPTURALY DERIVED. The reason to post them is ONE and that is to be discussed and contradicted ONLY using scriptures and this is only with the hope of establishing the truths concerning our own origin, purpose, and our destination.
You do not need to say your being humble, in order to be humble sir.
The fact that your stating so is presenting the idea that your attempting to be “humble” in your response. In my opinion I believe your just saying that so you can seem humble, and give the impression that im being “antagonistic”.
A humble person has no need to say he is humble, he simply is. A point is not mature if its incomplete or wrong, which that is the case here.
The reason why I say they are speculatoins because you provided no scripture to substantiate your points.
If its scriptrualy derived than show me.
You haven't done so.Truth is already established, the issue is discerning between what is true or false.
Quote I RESPECT YOR MENTALITY. Please respect others as a Christian and substantiate and impart onto others what you believe RIGHT and the THRUTH!!!
I have not direspecetd you, in fact because I respect you I'm willing to tell you the truth about your assertions. Not that I'm stating I'm in the position to correct others, but I care enough to say something when I see that there is something wrong.
Up until now, you still haven't shown me any substance for your claims, yet you have stated that, “that you will prove your all you stated”, and that “its scriptural derived”. You still haven't done so. Hopefully when you say there is more to come, its because you plan on presenting your substance.Dennison
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 23 2012,15:56) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,14:49) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2012,19:30) Charles, There is no such thing as freewill.
Hi Dennison, shall we rip this verse out of our bibles then?“I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm,
which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem,
go with thee.” (Ezra 7:13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Netbible: Ezra 7:13 I have now issued a decree that anyone in my kingdom from the people of Israel – even the priests and Levites – who wishes to do so may go up with you to Jerusalem.mmmmmmmmmMMMMmmmm ITs funny how you quote the only text in the KJV that has “free-will” yet ignore the other texts that mention free-will along with offerings.
Hi Dennison,Yes, I did that purposefully for you.
…or should I say I used my “Free Will” to do it that away.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDennison[/quote]
Quote No, not all that you stated is scriptural Simplyforgiven,
I posted m y first post:
You without any scriptural proof you denied that Jesus
WAS TAKEN TO HELL BY SATAN.
ANSWER THIS :
WERE HUMANS TAKEN BY SATAN TO HELL???
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (jammin @ Oct. 22 2012,10:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 22 2012,07:27) Quote (jammin @ Oct. 21 2012,02:47) did you study greek mike??
talk to me when you have formal studies in greek Why not just ask your friend Kathi? Are you AFRAID of what her answer will be? Oh, and when are you going to answer Kathi's question with a NUMBER?
jammin, how many GODS are required for our eternal salvation?
Here are your choices:
1. ONE GOD.
2. TWO GODS.
3. MORE THAN TWO GODS.
Answer the question scaredy-cat. (That goes for you too, Charles.)
i already answered that mike
there is one GOD THE FATHER
one GOD THE ONLY SONtwo persons but one in nature, GOD
But my question is: How many GODS does that add up to? ONE God? TWO Gods? MORE THAN TWO Gods?Please answer the question, jammin.
Also, please ask your friend Kathi about the “monogenes theos” point. Ask her on this site, so we can all see the question, and her answer.
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 22 2012,17:19) Mike,
Did you watch this video?
No. Not yet. I may watch it at some time, but I'm not really too interested in the teachings of men, Kathi. If there are good, scriptural points made in that video, then post those points along with the scriptures that support them.I will address the points if they are based on scripture. I have no interest in listening to the “schmoozings” of men who are trying to force their doctrines into the scriptures.
Quote (carmel @ Oct. 23 2012,15:05) Dennison[/quote] Quote No, not all that you stated is scriptural Simplyforgiven,
I posted m y first post:
You without any scriptural proof you denied that Jesus
WAS TAKEN TO HELL BY SATAN.
ANSWER THIS :
WERE HUMANS TAKEN BY SATAN TO HELL???
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles I do need to prove to you that you wrong,you have to prove to me that your right, because it was YOU who brought up the point that I in turned negated.
Im asking for your substance, you provided none, so than the burden on proof is on you!
1.Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.2.Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.Its God who puts souls in hell, even as we live.
Satan has nothing to do with hell other than making people's life into a living hell such as Job.
Why don't you answer my questions? Why haven't you brought out any substance?
Dennison
Charles,
I too would like to see the scriptural support of many of the things you promote on this site.
But I would like to read it in a short, to the point, coherent manner – not as huge manifestos of many eccentric teachings jumbled together – teachings that no one here has a clue where you came up with them.
Just sayin'
Lightenup,Oct. wrote:[/quote]
Quote I'm sorry but I'm lost in your explanation. Does the Father and the Son and the Spirit each have a will? LIGHTENUP,
THERE'S ONLY ONE SPIRIT OF GOD.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, have ONLY one will of GOD!!!
THEY ACT ALWAYS IN FULL HARMONY.
WHETHER THEY FUNCTION DISTINCT, IN UNION, AND BOTH IN THE SAME TIME.
JESUS HIMSLEF WHILE ON EARTH WAS THE PERFECT IMAGE OF GOD:
THEREFORE HE WAS THE TRIUNE GOD IN FLESH.
IN HIS SPIRIT, BODY, AND SOUL.
AND THE FATHER IN HIS FULL DEITY IN THE SAME TIME REMAINED IN HEAVEN.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally;
Quote Are you saying that the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son are the same Spirit? Is this Spirit a person? No, there are ONLY THREE PERSONS IN THE GODHEAD.
THE THREE ARE ONE GOD.
ONE SAME SPIRIT.
ALSO:
Rev:3:1……….These things saith he, that hath the SEVEN SPIRITS of God,……….
So through the above we could conclude that GOD HAS SEVEN SPIRITS, AND ALL THESE WHERE IN JESUS CHRIST. Since in Him dwelled the fullness of the GODHEAD!!!
Did you ever read the ATHANASIAN CREED???
IT IS DETAILED PURPOSELY IN ORDER TO HAVE A BETTER AWARENESS OF A TRIUNE GOD.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles, I have a question for you.
Do you 'think' that the spirit of Christ is a separate “PERSON” from Jesus?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2012,05:20) Quote (jammin @ Oct. 22 2012,10:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 22 2012,07:27) Quote (jammin @ Oct. 21 2012,02:47) did you study greek mike??
talk to me when you have formal studies in greek Why not just ask your friend Kathi? Are you AFRAID of what her answer will be? Oh, and when are you going to answer Kathi's question with a NUMBER?
jammin, how many GODS are required for our eternal salvation?
Here are your choices:
1. ONE GOD.
2. TWO GODS.
3. MORE THAN TWO GODS.
Answer the question scaredy-cat. (That goes for you too, Charles.)
i already answered that mike
there is one GOD THE FATHER
one GOD THE ONLY SONtwo persons but one in nature, GOD
But my question is: How many GODS does that add up to? ONE God? TWO Gods? MORE THAN TWO Gods?Please answer the question, jammin.
Also, please ask your friend Kathi about the “monogenes theos” point. Ask her on this site, so we can all see the question, and her answer.
i told you that scholars believe also that GOD THE ONLY SON is the meaning of monogenes theos.
i have no problem if the meaning is begotten God bec monogenes could also mean ONLY SONstudy mike before talking
btw i already answered your questions. one GOD!
the bible says ONE GOD!
the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!
if i say TWO GODS then it will mean that they have TWO NATURES.the bible is not teaching that kind of doctrine. the bible said that they have the same nature and that is nature GOd. PHIL 2.6
just like you and your father mike. you only have ONE HUMAN nature. you cant have TWO natures mike. are you an alien?? LOL
before i forgot, where is your version of FORM OF HIS GOD in phil 2.6 and uniquely generated in john 1.18? im still waiting boy LOL
SimplyForgiven,Oct. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Good one, I didn't see that.
another correction, Jesus wasn't forced.Simplyforgiven,/ EDJ
read Mark 1:12 KJV
IT SAYS:
12And immediately the Spirit DRIVETH him into the wilderness.
REFERING TO STRONGS:
to cast out; to drive out; to send out;
1. with the included notion of more or less violence;
WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS?
?Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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