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Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 19 2012,04:19) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,11:29) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 18 2012,23:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10) limjunus,
Jesus IS the true only begotten God.
Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and [/B]“not begotten God”.
limjunus,Scripture disagrees with you:
John 1:18
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
Kathi,That passage is speaking of the Spirit by personifying it; which is why it uses the word “one”. It is the Spirit that knows the deep things of God; and those to whom the Spirit reveals them. Jesus is his primary student and the man by whom all others come to know God.
Hi Kerwin,
I do not see anything like what you say in the early church's understanding of this verse. The Son is said to be the 'firstborn' and the Holy Spirit is not said to the 'firstborn.'God bless!
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,21:40) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,17:24) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,16:36) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,00:32) nice job sis kathi 
limjunus is really a false teacher.
let me post the greek of john 1.18
18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεοςtsk tsk…this limjunus is really a false teacher. LOL
Yes Jammin…it says only begotten God in the Greek. That is a truth that can set many here free.
Lightenup and Jammin,Accusing me as a false teacher, because I am posting that Jesus Christ is the begotten Son of God.
You are accusing the apostle John and not me, kiddie boy and kiddie girl.
Her is the verse and read it nicely.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18
Lightenup post: “the begotten God” instead the truth. Here is the truth:
“No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him John 1:18 NKJV.
Now, who is the false teacher/s?
Ho Ho Ho
truly Christ is the begotten son of God.
but that is not the end of the story..
you are not saying the whole trutph boy.as i have said you are like your father satan. LOL
we accept that he is the begotten son of God.
but the bible also says he is the begotten God boy LOL
and that is the truth that you cant accept LOLbtw your logic about who is Christ's begotten son is non sense. LOL
the bible said Christ is the begotten God and there is no wrong with that but i think your mind should be fixed by psychiatrist. you have a big problem reading your bible LOL
Jammin,Now, you are telling the question is nonsense. The question came out because of your arguments. Do not forget your belief, Jesus Christ is God.
By proving it, you have used the John 1:18 “…begotten God…”
As what we have known that the true God is only One, the Father. John 17:1-3 / 1 Cor. 8:6
As also we have known in the first place that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, …meant categorically is not the Father.
But you still insisting through your own incorrect understanding that the Son is the true God….. without minding that you are crushing head on against the truth of God.
As what I have post previously, you must be careful with your mouth,…the words coming out from your lips could and would be boomerang to you.
“that but i think your mind should be fixed by psychiatrist. you have a big problem reading your bible LOL”
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,21:42) limjunus,
btw you are still not answering my question.if paul said the father is the only God and Christ is the only LORD.
does it mean that the father is not LORD to you?? yes or no?
Jammin,“that but i think your mind should be fixed by psychiatrist. you have a big problem reading the heaven-Net. LOL
Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2012,15:17) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,02:32) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,16:30) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,15:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10) limjunus,
Jesus IS the true only begotten God.
Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and [/B]“not begotten God”.
the bible said he is the begotten son of God and we accept that.
but the bible also says he is the begotten God.you are saying NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH boy LOL
you are really a photocopy of your father satan LOL
make your own bible. LOL
make a bible that all verses support your false doctrine LOL
Jammin,NASB and NKJV is in contrast. It is not my fault, blame the Bible Scholars who have made them.
Now, again you are accusing me many times. Be careful with your mouth, it could be boomerang to you.
Which is the right transaltion, the NASB or the NKJV? and why?
I am choosing the NKJV, because the one and only true God, could and would not be a begotten Son, never. He has a begotten Son and that was Jesus Christ.
If I am following your arguments, that Jesus Christ is the begotten God, who is his begotten Son? another Jesus Christ?!!! HO HO HO
Hi limjunus,
I know it is frustrating when one translation has one word and another has a completely different word. Many of the translations have monogenes theos (God) instead of monogenes huios (Son).The early church fathers mention the begotten God (the Son)and the unbegotten God (the Father) several times. Also, the earlier manuscript says “only begotten God.” The Peshitta has 'only begotten God' also. The Peshitta is claimed to be the original NT and it was written in Aramaic.
Besides that, the literal Son of God, begotten before the ages would most assuredly be not only the only begotten Son but because He is the only begotten Son before the ages, He would be the only begotten God as well. Like begets like.
I hope that helps
Lightenup,Do not forget the main issue here is, Jesus Christ is God, is he the one and only true God?
The issue was already settled long time ago by Jesus Christ himself and his apostles. The Father is the one and only true God and not the Son. John 17:1-3 / 1 Cor. 8:6
But the successors of the Apostles discarded it (Acts. 20:29-30) and preaching again that the Son is God with an addition of the Holy Spirit … resulting for the Trinity doctrines. Meant, the One and only true God, is composed of three divine persons (un-Biblical).
Avoid mentioning the other languages like Greek, Aramaico, Hebrews and so on. Because not all the listeners of the gospel here on earth knows that foreign languages. It is too difficult for the people of the world to very the foreign languages you have trying to imply.?
I'll repeat, The Freedom of Choice is yours.
You, Jammin and other people with the same belief about Jesus Christ, is true God.
You can chose your own conclusions or the conclusions of Jesus Christ and his apostles, that the only true God, is the Father and not the Son.
I do believe that you have enough knowledge to know the meaning and essence of the words, the Father and the Son.
God bless you.
Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 20 2012,01:07) Quote A WAKE UP CALL Look into the world of Christian World nowadays. How many religious groups has a belief that Jesus Christ is God?
Every christian religious group has their own prescription in molding their followers to believe that Jesus Christ is truly God, such are Holy Trinity, Unitarian and Almighty and Mighty One, etc., etc.,
In fact, these religious groups have their different specification with their doctrines, but the bottom line is, Jesus Christ is true God for everyone of them.
How many millions, may be billion of people nowadays are standing and holding the belief that Jesus Christ is truly God?
Here is the secret/mystery revealed only the chosen people of God, and not to all the so called Christian in this world.
11″You have been given the secret of the Kingdom of God,” Jesus answered. “But the others, who are on the outside, hear all things by means of parables, Luke 4:11
But not everyone knows this truth. 1 Cor. 8:7
Implying that the truth has been revealed only to the selected group of people and we must belong with them. So that we could be counted as part of this group of the believers. We must not an outsiders.
Even though they are juts few in numbers compare to other so called christian groups throughout the world, but believing that Jesus Christ is not God, but the Father alone is a divine credential or identity the they are the genuine chosen people of God, and shall not be deemed the outsiders.
God bless you all.
Hello limjunusI am hearing you brother. You are so right. You put up a good fight. We cannot change them, this doctrine has a tight grip on them. They will fight it till they die, no matter what scriptures are presented. They are still brethren however, so agree to disagree. You have done your best.
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
even the evil spirit's knew who he was
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?Matthew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.HERES A GOOD ONE. CONCENTRATE
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Jesus was a man when he spoke these words, he was on earth, and his Father in heavenMatthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 28:10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethrenand say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.These scriptures will never make sense to them. They might as well rip these pages out.
Most don't understand the trinity themselves, but have to pretend they do by going over the same things, over and over, ignoring the rest of the scriptures.
Only God can reveal it to them,
I suggest they start searching for more truth, and go to other topics in the scriptures with a pure zeal for spiritual knowledge, then maybe….Jesus called us brethren, and friends. Never once did he call us sons. Never once.
We have to let it go for now Limjunus, move to other topics my friend, these ones wont budge. Remember they are brothers, and if they don't treat you like one, then you have done your duty, and they will be ashamed.
you did well.God bless.
Journey42Thanks for the reminder.
God bless you.
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,21:42) limjunus,
btw you are still not answering my question.if paul said the father is the only God and Christ is the only LORD.
does it mean that the father is not LORD to you?? yes or no?
Jammin,To satisfied your thirst for the truth, I will answer you point blank.
God, is Lord for being the only true God.
Jesus Christ, is only Lord, for being the only head of the Church.
The sentence of “there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, was a figuratively statement, symbolizing the position of Jesus Christ for being only one head of his Church.
Unless, you have other verses to be used that the church built by Christ has two heads?
Are you satisfied now, Jammin? Your thirst for the truth has been diminished by knowing the reasons why apostle Paul said it?
Good luck and God bless you.
do not explain boy.
answer my questionlimjunus,
btw you are still not answering my question.if paul said the father is the only God and Christ is the only LORD.
does it mean that the father is not LORD to you?? yes or no?choose
1. if yes
2. if nowhat is your choice???
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 20 2012,15:59) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2012,15:17) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,02:32) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,16:30) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,15:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10) limjunus,
Jesus IS the true only begotten God.
Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and [/B]“not begotten God”.
the bible said he is the begotten son of God and we accept that.
but the bible also says he is the begotten God.you are saying NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH boy LOL
you are really a photocopy of your father satan LOL
make your own bible. LOL
make a bible that all verses support your false doctrine LOL
Jammin,NASB and NKJV is in contrast. It is not my fault, blame the Bible Scholars who have made them.
Now, again you are accusing me many times. Be careful with your mouth, it could be boomerang to you.
Which is the right transaltion, the NASB or the NKJV? and why?
I am choosing the NKJV, because the one and only true God, could and would not be a begotten Son, never. He has a begotten Son and that was Jesus Christ.
If I am following your arguments, that Jesus Christ is the begotten God, who is his begotten Son? another Jesus Christ?!!! HO HO HO
Hi limjunus,
I know it is frustrating when one translation has one word and another has a completely different word. Many of the translations have monogenes theos (God) instead of monogenes huios (Son).The early church fathers mention the begotten God (the Son)and the unbegotten God (the Father) several times. Also, the earlier manuscript says “only begotten God.” The Peshitta has 'only begotten God' also. The Peshitta is claimed to be the original NT and it was written in Aramaic.
Besides that, the literal Son of God, begotten before the ages would most assuredly be not only the only begotten Son but because He is the only begotten Son before the ages, He would be the only begotten God as well. Like begets like.
I hope that helps
Lightenup,Do not forget the main issue here is, Jesus Christ is God, is he the one and only true God?
The issue was already settled long time ago by Jesus Christ himself and his apostles. The Father is the one and only true God and not the Son. John 17:1-3 / 1 Cor. 8:6
But the successors of the Apostles discarded it (Acts. 20:29-30) and preaching again that the Son is God with an addition of the Holy Spirit … resulting for the Trinity doctrines. Meant, the One and only true God, is composed of three divine persons (un-Biblical).
Avoid mentioning the other languages like Greek, Aramaico, Hebrews and so on. Because not all the listeners of the gospel here on earth knows that foreign languages. It is too difficult for the people of the world to very the foreign languages you have trying to imply.?
I'll repeat, The Freedom of Choice is yours.
You, Jammin and other people with the same belief about Jesus Christ, is true God.
You can chose your own conclusions or the conclusions of Jesus Christ and his apostles, that the only true God, is the Father and not the Son.
I do believe that you have enough knowledge to know the meaning and essence of the words, the Father and the Son.
God bless you.
sorry boy but as i have said before you are not telling the WHOLE TRUTH> you just say he is the son of God. we accept that bec the bible said that.but the bible also said that he is the begotten God. that is the truth that you cant accept boy LOL
make your own bible. make a bible that all verses support your false doctrine LOL
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 20 2012,21:57) do not explain boy.
answer my questionlimjunus,
btw you are still not answering my question.if paul said the father is the only God and Christ is the only LORD.
does it mean that the father is not LORD to you?? yes or no?choose
1. if yes
2. if nowhat is your choice???
Jammin, You do not how to read? Read again or go back to the school and study again.To satisfied your thirst for the truth, I will answer you point blank.
Yes, God, is Lord for being the only true God.
Jesus Christ, is only Lord, for being the only head of the Church, not for being the one and only true God.
The sentence of “there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, was a figuratively statement, symbolizing the position of Jesus Christ for being only one head of his Church.
Unless, you have other verses to be used that the church built by Christ has two heads?
Are you satisfied now, Jammin? Your thirst for the truth has been diminished by knowing the reasons why apostle Paul said it?
Good luck and God bless you.
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 20 2012,21:57) do not explain boy.
answer my questionlimjunus,
btw you are still not answering my question.if paul said the father is the only God and Christ is the only LORD.
does it mean that the father is not LORD to you?? yes or no?choose
1. if yes
2. if nowhat is your choice???
Jammin, You do not know how to read? Read again or go back to the school and study again.To satisfied your thirst for the truth, I will answer you point blank.
Yes, God, is Lord for being the only true God.
Jesus Christ, is only Lord, for being the only head of the Church, not for being the one and only true God.
The sentence of “there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, was a figuratively statement, symbolizing the position of Jesus Christ for being only one head of his Church.
Unless, you have other verses to be used that the church built by Christ has two heads?
Are you satisfied now, Jammin? Your thirst for the truth has been diminished by knowing the reasons why apostle Paul said it?
Good luck and God bless you.
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 20 2012,22:02) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 20 2012,15:59) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2012,15:17) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,02:32) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,16:30) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,15:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10) limjunus,
Jesus IS the true only begotten God.
Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and [/B]“not begotten God”.
the bible said he is the begotten son of God and we accept that.
but the bible also says he is the begotten God.you are saying NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH boy LOL
you are really a photocopy of your father satan LOL
make your own bible. LOL
make a bible that all verses support your false doctrine LOL
Jammin,NASB and NKJV is in contrast. It is not my fault, blame the Bible Scholars who have made them.
Now, again you are accusing me many times. Be careful with your mouth, it could be boomerang to you.
Which is the right transaltion, the NASB or the NKJV? and why?
I am choosing the NKJV, because the one and only true God, could and would not be a begotten Son, never. He has a begotten Son and that was Jesus Christ.
If I am following your arguments, that Jesus Christ is the begotten God, who is his begotten Son? another Jesus Christ?!!! HO HO HO
Hi limjunus,
I know it is frustrating when one translation has one word and another has a completely different word. Many of the translations have monogenes theos (God) instead of monogenes huios (Son).The early church fathers mention the begotten God (the Son)and the unbegotten God (the Father) several times. Also, the earlier manuscript says “only begotten God.” The Peshitta has 'only begotten God' also. The Peshitta is claimed to be the original NT and it was written in Aramaic.
Besides that, the literal Son of God, begotten before the ages would most assuredly be not only the only begotten Son but because He is the only begotten Son before the ages, He would be the only begotten God as well. Like begets like.
I hope that helps
Lightenup,Do not forget the main issue here is, Jesus Christ is God, is he the one and only true God?
The issue was already settled long time ago by Jesus Christ himself and his apostles. The Father is the one and only true God and not the Son. John 17:1-3 / 1 Cor. 8:6
But the successors of the Apostles discarded it (Acts. 20:29-30) and preaching again that the Son is God with an addition of the Holy Spirit … resulting for the Trinity doctrines. Meant, the One and only true God, is composed of three divine persons (un-Biblical).
Avoid mentioning the other languages like Greek, Aramaico, Hebrews and so on. Because not all the listeners of the gospel here on earth knows that foreign languages. It is too difficult for the people of the world to very the foreign languages you have trying to imply.?
I'll repeat, The Freedom of Choice is yours.
You, Jammin and other people with the same belief about Jesus Christ, is true God.
You can chose your own conclusions or the conclusions of Jesus Christ and his apostles, that the only true God, is the Father and not the Son.
I do believe that you have enough knowledge to know the meaning and essence of the words, the Father and the Son.
God bless you.
sorry boy but as i have said before you are not telling the WHOLE TRUTH> you just say he is the son of God. we accept that bec the bible said that.but the bible also said that he is the begotten God. that is the truth that you cant accept boy LOL
make your own bible. make a bible that all verses support your false doctrine LOL
Jammin and lightenup,As what I have post with a very clear explanation. NASB and NKJV John 1:18 is in contradiction with it.
NASB, saying ” begotten God” and NKJV saying “Begotten Son”
So, which is the right translation?
You are not searching for the truth of God. You are just seeking your own made truth.
Now, you are also preaching that one and only true God, the Father would be a begotten God, instead of God has a begotten Son (Jesus Christ).
Look nicely and rightfully the picture you are trying to portrait about?
“Jesus Christ, the begotten God, has a begotten Son (Jesus Christ)?
Portraying: Jesus Christ, begotten Jesus Christ?
Better for you to check your brain. You really do not know how to comprehend the right and the wrong. You are now telling the color “red” is also the color white.
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 20 2012,22:02) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 20 2012,15:59) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2012,15:17) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,02:32) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,16:30) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,15:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10) limjunus,
Jesus IS the true only begotten God.
Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and [/B]“not begotten God”.
the bible said he is the begotten son of God and we accept that.
but the bible also says he is the begotten God.you are saying NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH boy LOL
you are really a photocopy of your father satan LOL
make your own bible. LOL
make a bible that all verses support your false doctrine LOL
Jammin,NASB and NKJV is in contrast. It is not my fault, blame the Bible Scholars who have made them.
Now, again you are accusing me many times. Be careful with your mouth, it could be boomerang to you.
Which is the right transaltion, the NASB or the NKJV? and why?
I am choosing the NKJV, because the one and only true God, could and would not be a begotten Son, never. He has a begotten Son and that was Jesus Christ.
If I am following your arguments, that Jesus Christ is the begotten God, who is his begotten Son? another Jesus Christ?!!! HO HO HO
Hi limjunus,
I know it is frustrating when one translation has one word and another has a completely different word. Many of the translations have monogenes theos (God) instead of monogenes huios (Son).The early church fathers mention the begotten God (the Son)and the unbegotten God (the Father) several times. Also, the earlier manuscript says “only begotten God.” The Peshitta has 'only begotten God' also. The Peshitta is claimed to be the original NT and it was written in Aramaic.
Besides that, the literal Son of God, begotten before the ages would most assuredly be not only the only begotten Son but because He is the only begotten Son before the ages, He would be the only begotten God as well. Like begets like.
I hope that helps
Lightenup,Do not forget the main issue here is, Jesus Christ is God, is he the one and only true God?
The issue was already settled long time ago by Jesus Christ himself and his apostles. The Father is the one and only true God and not the Son. John 17:1-3 / 1 Cor. 8:6
But the successors of the Apostles discarded it (Acts. 20:29-30) and preaching again that the Son is God with an addition of the Holy Spirit … resulting for the Trinity doctrines. Meant, the One and only true God, is composed of three divine persons (un-Biblical).
Avoid mentioning the other languages like Greek, Aramaico, Hebrews and so on. Because not all the listeners of the gospel here on earth knows that foreign languages. It is too difficult for the people of the world to very the foreign languages you have trying to imply.?
I'll repeat, The Freedom of Choice is yours.
You, Jammin and other people with the same belief about Jesus Christ, is true God.
You can chose your own conclusions or the conclusions of Jesus Christ and his apostles, that the only true God, is the Father and not the Son.
I do believe that you have enough knowledge to know the meaning and essence of the words, the Father and the Son.
God bless you.
sorry boy but as i have said before you are not telling the WHOLE TRUTH> you just say he is the son of God. we accept that bec the bible said that.but the bible also said that he is the begotten God. that is the truth that you cant accept boy LOL
make your own bible. make a bible that all verses support your false doctrine LOL
Jammin and Lightenup,Now, you are also preaching that one and only true God, the Father would be a begotten God, instead of God has a begotten Son (Jesus Christ).
Look nicely and rightfully the picture you are trying to portrait about?
“Jesus Christ, the begotten God, has a begotten Son (Jesus Christ)?
Portraying: Jesus Christ, has a begotten Son, Jesus Christ?
Better for you to check your brain. You really do not know how to comprehend the right and the wrong. You are now telling the color “red” is also the color white.
Is that the whole truth you are longing for? Go and eat it.
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 20 2012,21:57) do not explain boy.
answer my questionlimjunus,
btw you are still not answering my question.if paul said the father is the only God and Christ is the only LORD.
does it mean that the father is not LORD to you?? yes or no?choose
1. if yes
2. if nowhat is your choice???
Hi Jammin,YHVH is “The LORD”(meaning THE OWNER) and “GOD”(meaning THE CREATOR and ruler of the Universe)
Jesus is “Lord”(meaning owner) and “Son of God”.
This is what “The Bible” says.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,01:06) To make clear, mighty word is not meant God.
You are in error on this point, limjunis.The Hebrew word “el”, the Greek word “theos”, and the English word “god” all mean “mighty one”.
Can you tell me what the word “god” means in your own understanding?
To me, it means “mighty one”. What does it mean to you?
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,01:13) Except, the Father, there is no true God or true god.
Then to you, Jesus is a “false god”?This MUST be the case, if you take the words “only true god” LITERALLY.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 19 2012,03:19) Kathi, That passage is speaking of the Spirit by personifying it……………
John 1:18 speaks about Jesus – just like the rest of John 1.Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 19 2012,08:07) Jesus called us brethren, and friends. Never once did he call us sons. Never once.
The hope is to become true brothers and sisters of Jesus, and true sons and daughters of God.The hope was never to become brothers and sisters of God. When asked if they hope to become a brother or sister of God Almighty, the “Jesus is God Almighty” people don't really know how to answer.
They start hemming and hawing about being a “brother” of God according to God's “humanity”, and a “son” of God according to God's divinity.
It's just more nonsense as far as I'm concerned.
Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,22:17) Also, the earlier manuscript says “only begotten God.” The Peshitta has 'only begotten God' also.
From NETNotes:The textual problem μονογενὴς θεός (monogenh” qeo”, “the only God”) versus ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός (Jo monogenh” Juio”, “the only son”) is a notoriously difficult one. Only one letter would have differentiated the readings in the mss, since both words would have been contracted as nomina sacra: thus qMs or uMs. Externally, there are several variants, but they can be grouped essentially by whether they read θεός or υἱός. The majority of mss, especially the later ones (A C3 Θ Ψ Ë1,13 Ï lat), read ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός. Ì75 א1 33 pc have ὁ μονογενὴς θεός, while the anarthrous μονογενὴς θεός is found in Ì66 א* B C* L pc. The articular θεός is almost certainly a scribal emendation to the anarthrous θεός, for θεός without the article is a much harder reading. The external evidence thus strongly supports μονογενὴς θεός. Internally, although υἱός fits the immediate context more readily, θεός is much more difficult. As well, θεός also explains the origin of the other reading (υἱός), because it is difficult to see why a scribe who found υἱός in the text he was copying would alter it to θεός. Scribes would naturally change the wording to υἱός however, since μονογενὴς υἱός is a uniquely Johannine christological title (cf. John 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9). But θεός as the older and more difficult reading is preferred.
It seems there is valid information to support either “god” or “son” in 1:18. I don't know the truth of the matter, but agree with the NETNotes scholars that the OLDER reading is generally preferred.
Kathi also pointed out that the earliest church fathers understood “only begotten god” in this verse. While I don't agree with their conclusion that God is three persons in one being, it seems obvious that they had to come up with “begotten god” from somewhere. That tells me that the mss in their day had “only begotten god” in 1:18 – for it is the only verse in the Bible from which they could have gained such an understanding, IMO.
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,22:39) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,21:42) limjunus,
btw you are still not answering my question.if paul said the father is the only God and Christ is the only LORD.
does it mean that the father is not LORD to you?? yes or no?
Jammin,“that but i think your mind should be fixed by psychiatrist. you have a big problem reading the heaven-Net. LOL
jammin,limjunis has answered that question a number of times already. He believes that “only Lord” is metaphorical or figurative, and therefore doesn't mean that Jehovah is not also our Lord.
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Quote post: “Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”It doesn't mean Jesus Christ is true God with the above subjected verse. Jesus, is true mighty but not meant he is true God.
Limjuus,
DEFINE IN YOUR WORDLY WISDOM WHAT YOU MEAN:
“JESUS, IS TRUE MIGHTY”
WHEN THERE’S ONLY ONE TRUE MIGHTY. GOD
WHY DID JESUS HAVE BEEN GIVEN TOTAL AUTHORITY OF ALL THE ENTIRE CREATION???
HOW ACCORDING TO MOST OF YOU JESUS IS NOT IN HIS GLORY AND ALSO IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER, AS THE TRUE GOD, AND IN THE SAME TIME STILL IN TOTAL COMMAND OF WHATEVER IS CREATED:
BY HIM, WITH HIM, AND FOR HIM
WHY, ALTHOUGH THE FATHER IS THE CREATOR, WAS NOT OFFICIALLY IN TOTAL COMMAND OF ALL CREATION YET???
WHAT PREVENTED THE FATHER IN BEING SO HIMSELF???
WHAT WERE GOD'S ENEMIES HOPING FOR IN ORDER TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH???
WHAT IS THE UNIQUE ACHIEVEMENT BY JESUS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE FATHER, WHICH CONVINCED ALL GOD'S ENEMIES THAT:
THEY LOST ALL WHAT THEY HOPED FOR, AND
JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD BOTH IN HIS GLORY AND IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER
CONFIRMATION BY THE FATHER!!
Hebews 1: But to the Son:
THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER
ISN'T IT ENOUGH FOR YOU THE ABOVE STATEMENT TO CONVINCE YOU THAT THE SON IS GOD HIMSELF GLORIFIED IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHILE THE FATHER IS STILL IN SPIRIT ONLY AND THEY ARE BOTH SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN THE SAME ONE GLORY???
NOW REFLECT:
ACTS 7:55 But he, being FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw
THE GLORY OF GOD,
AND JESUS STANDING ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.
SO THE GLORY OF GOD COMPRISES JESUS!!
THE GLORY OF GOD IS NOT JUST THE FATHER ONLY ANYMORE!! WHY???
THE GLORY OF GOD IS NOT AS A SPIRIT BEING ONLY ANYMORE!!
THE GLORY OF GOD IS AS THE NORMAL UNIQUE SPIRIT BEING OF THE FATHER THE CREATOR OF ALL SITTING ON HIS THRONE, AND ALSO AS THE
SPIRITUAL FLESH BEING IN JESUS CHRIST THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE FATHER TEMPORARY SITTING ON HIS THRONE ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER,
THEREFORE THE HEAD OF GOD’S KINGDOM.
THE ENTIRE CREATION IN MYSTICAL BODIES!!
I CORINTHIANS 11:3 ……….AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.
AREN'T YOU SATISFIED THEN, THAT JESUS IS IN THE SAME GLORY OF THE FATHER???
IN ONE GLORY .
THE SON GLORIFIED THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST, AND THE FATHER IN HIS FULL GLORY
NOTICE AS WELL THE TRIUNE GOD!
a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom ,
NOTICE YOUR KINGDOM, A DIRECT REFERENCE TO THE SON, SO THE KINGDOM AS IT IS, BELONG TO THE SON, AND YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT THE SON IS NOT GOD GLORIFIED
IT ISN’T GOD’S KINGDOM AFTER ALL???
SO IF IT IS THE KINGDOM OF THE SON, AND ALSO GOD’S KNIGDOM ,YOU ARE STILL SO BLIND TO DENY THAT:
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD IN MYSTICAL BODY???
9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God,( JESUS CHRIST IN MYSTICAL BODY) thy God,(THE FATHER AS A SPIRIT ONLY) hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness (SATISFACTION, FOR THE UNIQUE ACHIEVEMENT) above thy fellows.
10 And: Thou in the beginning, O Lord, (JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY LORD)didst found the earth ( HUMAN CREATURES) and the works of thy hands are the heavens.( SPIRITUAL CREATURES)
11 They shall perish, (BOTH SPIRITUAL CREATURES,AND HUMAN CREATURES) but thou shalt continue: ( SINCE YOU ARE GOD) and they shall all( ENTIRE CREATURES) grow old as a garment.
12 And as a vesture shalt thou change them,(IN MYSTICAL BODIES) and they shall be changed: (AS GOD’S KINGDOM) but thou art the selfsame,( GOD) and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time: Sit on my right hand, (AS MY FULLNESS IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH BEING) until I make thy enemies thy footstool?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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