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Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 11 2012,12:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2012,11:54) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 10 2012,18:08) Isaiah 43:11 (King James Version) — I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
I'm surprised you used that one to illustrate your point, Frank. Since we know that Jesus is also called our Savior, and we know that Jesus is not Jehovah, then it proves the claim in Isaiah 43:11 to be an emphatic statement, and not a literal one.Obviously, there have been many saviors – many of whom Jehovah Himself sent to His people. (Nehemiah 9:27)
So, knowing this from scripture, we can also know that Jehovah's statement was emphatical, and not literal.
Likewise, since we know the scriptures are loaded with “many gods, in heaven and on earth”, we can also know that Isaiah 44:6, 8, and 45:5 are emphatical (not literal) statements as well.
Mike,Why would you be surprised, since you know full well that I do not believe that Father Yahweh's son Yahshua pre-existed his birth as a “savior” and that I also believe that there is no other source of power (authority), strength or might [“god”] other than Father Yahweh “ALONE”, “BY HIMSELF” and with “NO OTHER BESIDE HIM”?
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Exodus 32
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Mike,This also goes to show that you make Yahweh our Heavenly Father and Creator out to be a liar and that what His word actually says can not be trusted without your perversion applied to it!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2012,11:37) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 09 2012,23:25) the father is God
the son is God
You can say it as many times as you want, jammin.If you think the Father is God Almighty, AND the Son is also God Almighty, then you believe in TWO God Almighties. There's really no way around it, because the word “AND” is a conjunction, and indicates that TWO (or more) are being spoken of.
Mike,You can also say it as many times as you want when you say that you think “the Father is God Almighty, AND the Son is 'a god'”. This in turn makes you believing in “TWO Gods” instead of ONE Mighty One [“God”] as Scripture clearly teaches.
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
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Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 11 2012,11:41) 
Hi Frank,The picture looks like three Jesus' to me.
Is there a larger size, so I can see it better?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2012,11:54) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 10 2012,18:08) Isaiah 43:11 (King James Version) — I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
I'm surprised you used that one to illustrate your point, Frank. Since we know that Jesus is also called our Savior, and we know that Jesus is not Jehovah, then it proves the claim in Isaiah 43:11 to be an emphatic statement, and not a literal one.
Hi Mike,I thought it instead “proved” that Jesus was God.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 11 2012,11:41) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 11 2012,11:00) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 11 2012,07:08) Christianity has a paganistic triune “God” that are worship! 
One of this so-called “Holy Trinity” they refer to as being 'The Word of “God”'.
Trinity sminity!
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
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the apostles are christiansare you not christian??? oh yeah.. you are the pagan
jammit,No, I am certainly not a Christian and I am certainly not a pagan. It is you and your fellow *cohorts who are clearly pagan in their following in paganistic Christian beliefs.
*cohort – 1. part of an ancient **ROMAN ***LEGION. There were from 300 to 600 soldiers in each cohort, and ten cohorts in each ***LEGION … Thorndike Barnhart Advanced Dictionary Second Edition by E. L. Thorndike/Clarence L. Barnhart, Scott, Foresman and Company ©1974 Scott, Foresman and Company, Greenview, Illinois (Emphasis in bold/underlining/capitalization mine.)
**NOTE:
Cf. “Holy ROMAN Catholic Church”
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***LEGION:
Then Yahshua asked him [the evil spirit], “What is your name?” “My name is LEGION,” he replied, “for we are many” (Yahchanan Mark 5:9).WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
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Quote One of this so-called “Holy Trinity” they refer to as being 'The Word of “God”'. Frank4JAHWEH,
Quote No, I am certainly not a Christian and I am certainly not a pagan. It is you and your fellow *cohorts who are clearly pagan in their following in paganistic Christian beliefs. SINCE YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE,WITH EVERY RESPECT:
DEFINE YOUR OWN BEING IN ORDER TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE ,AND WHAT YOU ARE???
Peace and love in JESUS
Charles
Frank4YAHWEH,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Mike, You can also say it as many times as you want when you say that you think “the Father is God Almighty, AND the Son is 'a god'”. This in turn makes you believing in “TWO Gods” instead of ONE Mighty One [“God”] as Scripture clearly teaches.
Frank4JAHWEH,
Define:
ALMIGHTY GOD!!
SINCE YOU FEEL LIKE god with your pride.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2012,11:37) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 09 2012,23:25) the father is God
the son is God
You can say it as many times as you want, jammin.If you think the Father is God Almighty, AND the Son is also God Almighty, then you believe in TWO God Almighties. There's really no way around it, because the word “AND” is a conjunction, and indicates that TWO (or more) are being spoken of.
there is ONE God the only son
there is ONE God the fatherthe nature of God is almighty.
that is the right way.
if you are God, you are almighty.if you HUMAN, you are not almighty.
mike..try to think about your argument. even logic will never accept your argument.
you believe that the son is God and not GOD..the father is GOD to you and not God.
if i will follow your argument, you are Human and your father is HUMAN..
non sense argument you have mike.
why dont you accept the truth of the bible and stop making stories.
the son and the father have the same nature, God.
phil 2.6 john 1.1
study hardQuote (jammin @ Sep. 12 2012,02:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2012,11:37) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 09 2012,23:25) the father is God
the son is God
You can say it as many times as you want, jammin.If you think the Father is God Almighty, AND the Son is also God Almighty, then you believe in TWO God Almighties. There's really no way around it, because the word “AND” is a conjunction, and indicates that TWO (or more) are being spoken of.
there is ONE God the only son
there is ONE God the fatherthe nature of God is almighty.
that is the right way.
if you are God, you are almighty.if you HUMAN, you are not almighty.
mike..try to think about your argument. even logic will never accept your argument.
you believe that the son is God and not GOD..the father is GOD to you and not God.
if i will follow your argument, you are Human and your father is HUMAN..
non sense argument you have mike.
why dont you accept the truth of the bible and stop making stories.
the son and the father have the same nature, God.
phil 2.6 john 1.1
study hard
Jaminme=
you =
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Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 10 2012,19:34) Mike, This also goes to show that you make Yahweh our Heavenly Father and Creator out to be a liar and that what His word actually says can not be trusted without your perversion applied to it!
I'm just following scripture, Frank. Tell me how, according to Nehemiah, Jehovah could have SENT many saviors (the early judges of Israel) if He was LITERALLY the ONLY savior.How could He have SENT Jesus into the world to be our savior if He is LITERALLY the ONLY one?
The teaching is: Without me, there would be no savior.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 10 2012,19:45) Mike, You can also say it as many times as you want when you say that you think “the Father is God Almighty, AND the Son is 'a god'”. This in turn makes you believing in “TWO Gods” instead of ONE Mighty One [“God”] as Scripture clearly teaches.
Again, I'm just following scripture. Is Jesus called a god in scripture? YES. Is Jesus the Most High God Jehovah? NO.Btw, there is no scripture that says Jehovah is the ONLY “el gibbor” (mighty god).
In fact, Isaiah 9:6 (in most interpretations and translations) refer to the coming Davidic King as “el gibbor”.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 10 2012,23:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2012,11:54) Since we know that Jesus is also called our Savior, and we know that Jesus is not Jehovah, then it proves the claim in Isaiah 43:11 to be an emphatic statement, and not a literal one.
Hi Mike,I thought it instead “proved” that Jesus was God.
Trinitarians make that claim, Ed. But if they were to be consistent across the board, they would then also have to say the saviors God sent in Nehemiah 9:27 were God Himself.Quote (jammin @ Sep. 11 2012,02:15) there is ONE God the only son
there is ONE God the father
And how many Almighty Gods does “ONE” plus “ONE” equal, jammin?Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,16:02) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 11 2012,11:41)
Hi Frank,The picture looks like three Jesus' to me.
Is there a larger size, so I can see it better?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,What you see is what you get, since I have no larger image of this. I don't understand why you would want to see a larger image, since no one knows what Yahshua looked like and he most certainly did not look like the images Christian use to represent him.
Is It Wrong to Have PICTURES of Yeshua Messiah?
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Quote (carmel @ Sep. 11 2012,17:33) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 11 2012,12:45) Quote Mike, You can also say it as many times as you want when you say that you think “the Father is God Almighty, AND the Son is 'a god'”. This in turn makes you believing in “TWO Gods” instead of ONE Mighty One [“God”] as Scripture clearly teaches.
Frank4JAHWEH,
Define:
ALMIGHTY GOD!!
SINCE YOU FEEL LIKE god with your pride.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,Quote SINCE YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE,WITH EVERY RESPECT: DEFINE YOUR OWN BEING IN ORDER TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE ,AND WHAT YOU ARE???
Theses most certainly are hypocritical responses on your part and what the hell are you yelling about? You do realize that the use of all caps in your responses signifies that you are “YELLING”, right? Then you falsely accuse me of “FEEL[ING] LIKE god with [my] pride” then you try and feed me with your “Peace and love in Jesus” bull crap! You certainly sound like a two-faced hypocrite to me!
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2012,01:33) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 10 2012,19:45) Mike, You can also say it as many times as you want when you say that you think “the Father is God Almighty, AND the Son is 'a god'”. This in turn makes you believing in “TWO Gods” instead of ONE Mighty One [“God”] as Scripture clearly teaches.
Again, I'm just following scripture. Is Jesus called a god in scripture? YES. Is Jesus the Most High God Jehovah? NO.Btw, there is no scripture that says Jehovah is the ONLY “el gibbor” (mighty god).
In fact, Isaiah 9:6 (in most interpretations and translations) refer to the coming Davidic King as “el gibbor”.
Mike,
Nowhere in Scripture is Yahshua called “a god”.
I have given you a number of Scripture reference in my Xanga blog entry “ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?” that clearly teaches that Father Yahweh is the only source of power (authority), strength or might and in turn is our only Mighty One. In fact, Scripture clearly teaches that Yahshua received is power (authority), strength or might from his and our Father Yahweh.
As for your reference to “el gibbor” used in Isayah 9:6, please see my Xanga blog entry:
Does Isayah 9:6 Proclaim Yahshua To Be Yahweh?
Does Isaiah 9:6 Claim That “Jesus is God”?Again, you are just perverting Scripture!
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 12 2012,08:46) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,16:02) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 11 2012,11:41)
Hi Frank,The picture looks like three Jesus' to me.
Is there a larger size, so I can see it better?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,What you see is what you get, since I have no larger image of this. I don't understand why you would want to see a larger image, since no one knows what Yahshua looked like and he most certainly did not look like the images Christian use to represent him.
Is It Wrong to Have PICTURES of Yeshua Messiah?
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Ed J,Here is the best that I could do for you in your wanting a closer artist representation of a “triune Jesus God”. The second one would more represent t8's, Mike's and Pierre's “triune/biune Gods”!
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2012,01:41) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 11 2012,02:15) there is ONE God the only son
there is ONE God the father
And how many Almighty Gods does “ONE” plus “ONE” equal, jammin?
mike the nature of God is almightyi told that if you are God, you are almighty
mike..try to think about your argument. even logic will never accept your argument.
you believe that the son is God and not GOD..the father is GOD to you and not God.
if i will follow your argument, you are Human and your father is HUMAN..
non sense argument you have mike.
why dont you accept the truth of the bible and stop making stories.
the son and the father have the same nature, God.
phil 2.6 john 1.1THE BIBLE SAID THAT CHRIST IS EQUAL WITH GOD. i know you do not believe these words of paul.
do not be a hard headed mike. obey the true teachings of the apostles. do not obey the teachings of menQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2012,01:38) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 10 2012,23:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2012,11:54) Since we know that Jesus is also called our Savior, and we know that Jesus is not Jehovah, then it proves the claim in Isaiah 43:11 to be an emphatic statement, and not a literal one.
Hi Mike,I thought it instead “proved” that Jesus was God.
Trinitarians make that claim, Ed. But if they were to be consistent across the board, they would then also have to say the saviors God sent in Nehemiah 9:27 were God Himself.
Hi Mike,So you agree with me then that it doesn't prove “Jesus is God”,
well, for the same reason it DOESN'T prove your point either.
I will explain why (see Isa 1:18) it does, though, point to what I have been telling you “IS TRUE”.
(The least of which is: Moses was sent in God's stead, and Jesus was sent in God's stead.)You have said that this verse (in essence) is untrue…
“Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
there is 'no God'; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)Mike's interpretive adjustment…
“Is there 'a mighty one' beside me? yea,
there is 'no mighty one'; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8) …this interpretation presents a number of problems.Ed's explanation (using Dr.Strong's definition of “EL”)…
“Is there “an Almighty” beside me? yea,
there is “no other Almighty”; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)
“YHVH is GOD”(117), he alone is “The Savior”(117),
because he has sent others to do his saving; PERIOD! ….He did NOT send others to be a god; NOT even Jesus, nor Moses.Moses was not sent as a god, …so this is NOT the same as God sending saviors – as your faulty tie-in would try to suggest.
but as a representative of GOD!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,18:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2012,01:38) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 10 2012,23:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2012,11:54) Since we know that Jesus is also called our Savior, and we know that Jesus is not Jehovah, then it proves the claim in Isaiah 43:11 to be an emphatic statement, and not a literal one.
Hi Mike,I thought it instead “proved” that Jesus was God.
Trinitarians make that claim, Ed. But if they were to be consistent across the board, they would then also have to say the saviors God sent in Nehemiah 9:27 were God Himself.
Hi Mike,So you agree with me then that it doesn't prove “Jesus is God”,
well, for the same reason it DOESN'T prove your point either.
I will explain why (see Isa 1:18) it does, though, point to what I have been telling you “IS TRUE”.
(The least of which is: Moses was sent in God's stead, and Jesus was sent in God's stead.)You have said that this verse (in essence) is untrue…
“Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
there is 'no God'; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)Mike's interpretive adjustment…
“Is there 'a mighty one' beside me? yea,
there is 'no mighty one'; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8) …this interpretation presents a number of problems.Ed's explanation (using Dr.Strong's definition of “EL”)…
“Is there “an Almighty” beside me? yea,
there is “no other Almighty”; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)
“YHVH is GOD”(117), he alone is “The Savior”(117),
because he has sent others to do his saving; PERIOD! ….He did NOT send others to be a god; NOT even Jesus, nor Moses.Moses was not sent as a god, …so this is NOT the same as God sending saviors – as your faulty tie-in would try to suggest.
but as a representative of GOD!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The true God, know not any God. except Himself.Sent by God, means: God alone is the sender not the one had sent…. they were the representative of the one and only true God.
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