JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,19:46)

Can Wisdom be divided, with all of her being in God while all of her is in Jesus?

Is there scripture that says ALL wisdom resides in God?

Kerwin, my question was: Can God be divided? A simple “YES” or “NO” will suffice.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,01:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2012,19:12) They beheld the HolySpirit's glory “IN”: as of yet the only begotten of the Father, because the HolySpirit had not been given to mankind yet. John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. Ed, can you point out the word “IN” of which you speak?  I don't see that word in the scripture. 1.  The Word is who became flesh, right? 2.  It was the glory of the Word that they saw, right? 3.  It was the Word who had the glory of the only begotten of the Father, right?

Hi Mike,

1) Yes
2) Yes Yes
3) No

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 08 2012,21:10)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2012,02:57) Can God take the scroll from the hand of HIMSELF? YES or NO? LOL who is that God mike??? the father is God the son is God.

So there are TWO Almighty Gods? And one of our Almighty Gods took the scroll from the hand of the other Almighty God?

Is that what you think, jammin?

[carmel]

Ed wrote:

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Could you say this again, but use different words – I almost think I know what you are saying.

to
Edj,

Mary was the first ever first born female as David's descendant , to have a soul direct from GOD.

LIKE ADAM HAD.

As a woman she couldn't receive a soul through nature yet.

Only man could, since only Adam was given a soul direct from God.

So God first created the man with a soul in ADAM

Then He created the woman with a soul in MARY,

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 10 2012,02:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,17:59) Quote Could you say this again, but use different words – I almost think I know what you are saying. to Edj, (1)Mary was the first ever first born female as David's descendant , to have a soul direct from GOD. LIKE ADAM HAD. (2)As a woman she couldn't receive a soul through nature yet. Only man could, since only Adam was given a soul direct from God. So God first created the man with a soul in ADAM (3)Then He created the woman with a soul in MARY, Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Hi Charles,

1) I don't believe “Souls” have any other source than God.
2) Huh?
3) This does not make what you said before any clearer.  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,09:04)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,01:57) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2012,19:12) They beheld the HolySpirit's glory “IN”: as of yet the only begotten of the Father, because the HolySpirit had not been given to mankind yet. John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. Ed, can you point out the word “IN” of which you speak?  I don't see that word in the scripture. 1.  The Word is who became flesh, right? 2.  It was the glory of the Word that they saw, right? 3.  It was the Word who had the glory of the only begotten of the Father, right? Hi Mike, 1) Yes 2) Yes Yes 3) No God bless Ed J

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
It seems we agree on this point.

We have seen his the Word's glory……
And it seems we agree on this point.

……..the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
It seems you are having a mind-glitch on this point, and wanting to add the word “IN” into the scripture.  Let me see if I can help………..

Here is the actual teaching:
The Word became flesh.  We saw the Word's glory, and that glory the Word had was the glory of God's only begotten Son.

And here is what you WANT the teaching to be:
The Word became flesh.  We saw the Word's glory, AND WE ALSO SAW A DIFFERENT GLORY IN THE ONE WHO WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

Did I get your understanding right?  If not, then word it the way you want so I can understand what you're saying.

Also, were you able to point out the word “IN” for me?  Is that word a part of John 1:14?  YES or NO?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,02:22)

Here is the actual teaching: (1)The Word became flesh.  We saw the Word's glory, and that glory the Word had was the glory of God's only begotten Son. And here is what you WANT the teaching to be: (2)The Word became flesh.  We saw the Word's glory, AND WE ALSO SAW A DIFFERENT GLORY IN THE ONE WHO WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

Hi Mike,

1) No
2) Wrong

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,02:22)

(1)14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. It seems we agree on this point. (2)We have seen his the Word's glory…… And it seems we agree on this point.

Hi Mike,

1) Yes
2) Yes

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Sep. wrote:

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The Father was waiting for the true God Jesus Christ?   Charles, how many Almighty Gods are there in existence?

Mike,

CORECTION:

TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

NOT

TRUE GOD JESUS CHRIST.

THERE'S IS ONLY ONE SPIRITUAL ALMIGHTY GOD. THE ONE ON THE THRONE.

THERE'S ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST,WHO GLORIFIED IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH UNITING BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON AS ONE MYSTICAL BODY IN JESUS CHRIST  

WHO IS IN COMMAND OF THE ENTIRE CREATION PREVENTING THE FATHER FROM DESTROYING OUR SINFULL WORLD.

ON THE LAST DAY:

ALMIGHTY GOD WOULD BE ALL IN ALL

Peace nd love in Jesus

Charles

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,02:22)

Also, were you able to point out the word “IN” for me?  Is that word a part of John 1:14?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

It is located “in” 2Cor.5:19.

“the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“God was IN Christ” (2 Cor 5:19)

Now, put these two together and you'll have it.

(“The Word” was God in Christ)     …John 1:14
…and hath committed unto us “The Word” of reconciliation. (2 Cor 5:19)
Was not the “HolySpirit” committed unto you? – yes or no?        <– please answer

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

Ed wrote:

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I don't believe “Souls” have any other source than God.

Edj,

All the entire creation has GOD as one source.

BUT IN DIFFERENT WAY!!

SATAN IS THE WRATH OF GOD AS A SOURCE !!

JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH AS A SOURCE

ADAM IS THE FIRST LIVING SOUL AS A SOURCE OF GOD.

BUT SINCE ADAM SINNED THE SOUL BECAME THE PROPERTY OF SATAN THEREFORE IT HAD TO COME FROM THE PROPERTY OF SATAN WHICH IS THE EARTH, NATURE, AND SINCE GOD CREATED ALL THROUGH NATURE BY JESUS' SPIRIT,THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT,ONLY MEN WERE TO BE GIVEN A SOUL.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 09 2012,09:29)

THERE'S IS ONLY ONE SPIRITUAL ALMIGHTY GOD. THE ONE ON THE THRONE.

So if Jesus is the one who takes the scroll from the hand of the One on the throne, then Jesus is NOT the ONLY ONE SPIRITUAL ALMIGHTY GOD, right?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,09:49)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,02:22) Also, were you able to point out the word “IN” for me?  Is that word a part of John 1:14?  YES or NO? Hi Mike, It is located “in” 2Cor.5:19.

So the word “IN” is NOT in 1:14? How can you then adjust the words of 1:14, and change the entire teaching of that verse by ADDING your own word “IN”?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,09:26)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,02:22) Here is the actual teaching: (1)The Word became flesh.  We saw the Word's glory, and that glory the Word had was the glory of God's only begotten Son. And here is what you WANT the teaching to be: (2)The Word became flesh.  We saw the Word's glory, AND WE ALSO SAW A DIFFERENT GLORY IN THE ONE WHO WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Hi Mike, 1) No 2) Wrong

1. Yes it is, as any 5 year old could tell you.

2. Then write it in your own words, like I asked you to do.

Ed, you purposely get all mysterious about what it is you actually believe 1:14 is saying, because you know if you spell it out for us, we'll all just be rolling our eyes.

Don't be mysterious, Ed. Spell it out for me.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,03:25)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,09:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,02:22) Also, were you able to point out the word “IN” for me?  Is that word a part of John 1:14?  YES or NO? Hi Mike, It is located “in” 2Cor.5:19. So the word “IN” is NOT in 1:14?  How can you then adjust the words of 1:14, and change the entire teaching of that verse by ADDING your own word “IN”?

Hi Mike,

I explained why, and no it doesn't change the teaching. Now will you answer my question?
Was not the “HolySpirit” committed unto you? – yes or no?        <– please answer

“the Word was God” (John 1:1)
“God was IN Christ” (2 Cor 5:19)

Now, put these two together and you'll have it.

(“The Word” was God in Christ)     …John 1:14
…and hath committed unto us “The Word” of reconciliation. (2 Cor 5:19)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,09:29)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,02:22) (1)14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. It seems we agree on this point. (2)We have seen his the Word's glory…… And it seems we agree on this point. Hi Mike, 1) Yes 2) Yes

Good Ed. It seems you are capable of understanding the first part of the teaching. Re-word the last line for me so I can decypher exactly where it is you're going astray.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,03:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,09:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,02:22) Here is the actual teaching: (1)The Word became flesh.  We saw the Word's glory, and that glory the Word had was the glory of God's only begotten Son. And here is what you WANT the teaching to be: (2)The Word became flesh.  We saw the Word's glory, AND WE ALSO SAW A DIFFERENT GLORY IN THE ONE WHO WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Hi Mike, 1) No 2) Wrong 1.  Yes it is, as any 5 year old could tell you. 2.  Then write it in your own words, like I asked you to do. Ed, you purposely get all mysterious about what it is you actually believe 1:14 is saying, because you know if you spell it out for us, we'll all just be rolling our eyes. Don't be mysterious, Ed.  Spell it out for me.

Hi Mike,

They beheld the HolySpirit's glory “IN”: as of yet the only begotten
of the Father, because the HolySpirit had not been given to mankind yet.

Scriptural References:

the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,03:30)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,09:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,02:22) (1)14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. It seems we agree on this point. (2)We have seen his the Word's glory…… And it seems we agree on this point. Hi Mike, 1) Yes 2) Yes Good Ed.  It seems you are capable of understanding the first part of the teaching.  Re-word the last line for me so I can decypher exactly where it is you're going astray.

They beheld the HolySpirit's glory “IN”: as of yet the only begotten
of the Father, because the HolySpirit had not been given to mankind yet.

[mikeboll64]

Okay, I'm getting closer to understanding what you seem to be afraid to just come out an say.

Is this it:
We have seen the Word's glory IN someone else, who happens to be God's only begotten Son.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,04:01)

Okay, I'm getting closer to understanding what you seem to be afraid to just come out an say. Is this it: We have seen the Word's glory IN someone else, who happens to be God's only begotten Son.

Hi Mike; Now remove: ' someone else, who happens to be'  and add “ADD”…

(and we have seen the Word's glory IN God's only begotten Son,) full of grace and truth.

(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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