JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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mikeboll64,Sep. wrote:

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Let's suppose God is made up of 100% God. Now, let's follow your nonsense and say God can “beget a part of Himself”. Let's say he beget 20% of Himself and made that 20% become flesh. Who remained in heaven then? 80% of God?

Mike,

YOUR PRIDE HAS ABSORBED YOU!!

Again,YOU NEED MILK NOT MEAT, you are determining God with your mortal corrupted knowledge. You are not respecting God as Almighty,and without a limit.There are no percentages regarding God, otherwise He is no God at all.

Worldly calculations has nothing to do with heavenly calculations.

Even science have just realized that Newton's quotations are useless in the universe,they are only applicapable within our world.

God is always in His fullness, in whatever he does. The more He emanate, and the more He creates, the more He increases in His riches.

HE IS UNFATHOMABLE

He gave all power to His son, but He still maintaned His full power while in heaven.

He created all the entire universes, and spirit realms,using His genuine Spirit as source,and maintains them by His spirit, and in the same time , He still owns His original same spirit.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

September 8, 2012 at 7:03 pm#311981

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The one who was slain purchased men FOR GOD with his blood, not for himself. In other words, the one who purchased men with his blood is NOT the God

Mike,

You keep on twisting, and relying on corrupted versions:

YES :

THE ONE WHO PURCHASED MEN WITH HIS OWN BLOOD IS GOD IN FLESH.

1 John 5:6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only,

but by water and blood. THEREFORE ONE

SPIRIT AND FLESH THEREFORE ONE

GOD AND MAN THEREFORE ONE

FATHER AND SON THEREFORE ONE

And it is the Spirit ( GOD) who testifies, because the Spirit( GOD) is the truth.

KJV Acts 20 28:Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

DRBV : Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

NIV: 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.a Be shepherds of the church of God,b which he bought with his own blood.

September 8, 2012 at 7:17 pm#311982

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,14:48)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,23:05)

The Holy Spirit is part of God Most High……

So then the Holy Spirit ISN'T actually God Most High Himself, like you've often claimed? Didn't think so.

So let's re-do John 1:14 for you once more:

And A PART OF GOD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld the glory of A PART OF GOD, it was the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Question: Why would a part of God have the glory of the only begotten of God? Is it possible for God to beget “a part of Himself” as a Son?

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jammin, in the Revelation verse I quoted above, someone is deemed worthy to take the scroll from the hand of God. Surely God didn't take the scroll from His own hand……. did He?

Mike,

obvious!!

The Father ONLY IN HIS SPIRIT FORM on the throne with the scroll in His hand, waitning for the true GOD AND JESUS CHRIST, BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH,

September 8, 2012 at 7:37 pm#311983

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jammin, in the Revelation verse I quoted above, someone is deemed worthy to take the scroll from the hand of God. Surely God didn't take the scroll from His own hand……. did He?

Mike,

obvious!!

The Father ONLY IN HIS SPIRIT FORM on the throne with the scroll in His hand, waiting for the true GOD AND JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY ONE WHO TRIUMPHED, AND BECAME BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT IN ONE MYSTICAL BODY

SO AS YOU CAN SEE THE FATHER IS NOT YET ALL IN ALL SINCE JESUS CHRIST STILL YET TO OPEN THE SCROLL

Rev: 5:5Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

September 9, 2012 at 1:12 am#311999

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,14:48)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,23:05)

The Holy Spirit is part of God Most High……

So then the Holy Spirit ISN'T actually God Most High Himself, like you've often claimed? Didn't think so.

So let's re-do John 1:14 for you once more:

And A PART OF GOD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld the glory of A PART OF GOD, it was the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Question: Why would a part of God have the glory of the only begotten of God? Is it possible for God to beget “a part of Himself” as a Son?

Hi Mike,

I have explained this to you now about six or seven times.
I will tell you again, but I doubt that you will get it this time either.

They beheld the HolySpirit's glory “IN”: as of yet the only begotten
of the Father, because the HolySpirit had not been given to mankind yet.

Scriptural References:

the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 9, 2012 at 1:46 am#312014

kerwin

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,21:53)

Charles and Kerwin,

Although you guys both have different biased reasons for claiming that nonsensical things make sense, the fact remains that you are both still claiming that the nonsensical makes sense, in order to force the scriptures to fit around your personal doctrines.

Get real, guys. Can God be divided? And did the “part of God” He begot ever “merge back” with the other part of God that remained in heaven? Or does there exist in heaven two different “parts of God”, separate from each other?

Mike,

Can Wisdom be divided, with all of her being in God while all of her is in Jesus?

Does the fact that she is in Jesus mean that less of her is in Jehovah?

Wisdom is an aspect of the Spirit of God. Wisdom is she that Jesus teaches is us, his and John the Baptist's mother.

Since Wisdom is Jesus mother who is the Father of Wisdom?

September 9, 2012 at 2:01 am#312022

terraricca

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Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2012,19:46)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,21:53)

Charles and Kerwin,

Mike,

Can Wisdom be divided, with all of her being in God while all of her is in Jesus?

Does the fact that she is in Jesus mean that less of her is in Jehovah?

Wisdom is an aspect of the Spirit of God. Wisdom is she that Jesus teaches is his and John the Baptist's mother.

Since Wisdom is Jesus mother who is the Father of Wisdom?

Mike

kerwin is up in the air and going fast

September 9, 2012 at 3:10 am#312037

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2012,02:57)

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 07 2012,23:36)

what is wrong with acts 20.28??

Christ bought his church ..
Christ is God mike.

Read the Revelation verse I quoted again, jammin. Christ purchased men FOR GOD with his blood.

Also, answer the other question I asked:

Can God take the scroll from the hand of HIMSELF? YES or NO?

LOL

who is that God mike???

the father is God
the son is God.

that is their nature. so before you ask me a question mike, be specific.

do you ignore what thomas said to Christ?
do you ignore what paul said to Christ?
do you ignore what john said to Christ??

they said he is God!

there is nothing wrong if Christ will take the scrolls and open the seals. it does not mean that he is not God by nature.
LOL

can you read in rev 5.9 that Christ is not God by nature???
LOL

you just give wrong conclusion in rev 5.9. you ignore the fact of john 1.1, john 20.28,phil2.6

make your own bible boy!

September 9, 2012 at 3:20 am#312039

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Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,12:12)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,14:48)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,23:05)

The Holy Spirit is part of God Most High……

So then the Holy Spirit ISN'T actually God Most High Himself, like you've often claimed? Didn't think so.

So let's re-do John 1:14 for you once more:

And A PART OF GOD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld the glory of A PART OF GOD, it was the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Question: Why would a part of God have the glory of the only begotten of God? Is it possible for God to beget “a part of Himself” as a Son?

Hi Mike,

I have explained this to you now about six or seven times.
I will tell you again, but I doubt that you will get it this time either.

They beheld the HolySpirit's glory “IN”: as of yet the only begotten
of the Father, because the HolySpirit had not been given to mankind yet.

Scriptural References:

the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

read the context of john 1.1

do not jump to the other verses.

john said the Word is the son.
you are a hard headed ed

September 9, 2012 at 3:22 am#312040

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mike,
you and your father have the same nature, Human

but…
if i am going to follow your logic

you are Human
your father is HUMAN

LOL

non sense LOL

September 9, 2012 at 4:09 am#312043

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Quote (jammin @ Sep. 09 2012,14:22)

mike,
you and your father have the same nature, Human

but…
if i am going to follow your logic

you are Human
your father is HUMAN

LOL

non sense LOL

Hi Jammin,

Do you believe Mary was Jesus' biological mother,
or just merely a surrogate mother like Pierre believes?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 9, 2012 at 6:03 am#312059

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Ed wrote:

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the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

Edj,

Are you stating that:

THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER

is the same GLORY WHICH SHALL BE REVEALED IN US???

CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT:

THE GLORY IN JOHN 1:14 IS A REFERENCE TO THE WORD BECAME FLESH, THEREFORE JESUS AS MAN/GOD

WHILE THE GLORY IN ROMANS 8:18 IS A REFERENCE TO THE GLORIFCATION(TRANSFORMATION) OF THAT SAME GLORY WHICH IS IN JOHN 1:14 FROM GOD/ MAN TO A MYSTICAL BODY BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH, both Father and Son,IN JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY TRUE GOD WITH A MYSTICAL BODY???

John 17: These things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come,

GLORIFY THY SON, THAT THY SON MAY GLORIFY THEE.

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh,

THAT YOU MADE HIM GOD IN FLESH, AND OVER ALL FLESH THROUGH THE INSERTION OF YOUR SPIRIT WITHIN HIM !!

, that he may give eternal life to all whom thou hast given him.

THAT HE MAY GIVE THE ETERNAL LIFE TO THE ENTIRE CREATION SINCE YOU HAVE CREATED ALL THROUGH HIM

3 Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND ALSO JESUS CHRIST, WHOM YOU HAVE SENT,

4 I have glorified thee on the earth; I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

SINCE GENESIS 1:3 TO CREATE ALL, AND REDEEM ALL.

5 And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee.

AND NOW UNITE ME ,O FATHER,WITH YOURSELF,WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, WITH YOU

BUT AS ONE GOD, IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH SO THE WORLD MAY KNOW YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD WITH A MYSTICAL BODY

THIS IS THE GLORY WHICH WOULD BE REVEALED IN US:

WHEN THE ENTIRE CREATION WOULD BECOME ONE MYSTCAL BODY OF GOD, JESUS' KNIGDOM, GOD'S KINGDOM, AND HE WILL BE ALL IN ALL.

ALL GOD'S ATTRIBUTES IN ALL HIS CREATURES.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

September 9, 2012 at 6:31 am#312063

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Quote (carmel @ Sep. 09 2012,17:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,12:12)

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the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

Hi Charles,

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Are you stating that:

THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER
is the same GLORY WHICH SHALL BE REVEALED IN US???

Yep

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THE GLORY IN JOHN 1:14 IS A REFERENCE TO THE WORD BECAME FLESH

Yep, the HolySpirit is “Ho Logos” – God, not man.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 9, 2012 at 6:36 am#312064

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Ed wrote:

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Do you believe Mary was Jesus' biological mother,

Edj,

YES!

MARY WAS JESUS' SPIRIT TRANSFORMED (CREATED)INTO A CARNAL BEING THROUGH CREATION AS THE FIRST EVER FIRST BORN WOMAN IN DAVID'S DESCENDANTS IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THE FIRST EVER SOUL WITHIN A WOMAN SINCE EVE NEVER HAD ONE AND ALSO ALL WOMEN.

THAT WAS THE PLAN OF SATAN THAT THE SOULS WOULD ONLY BE IN MEN,SINCE THE WOMAN WAS HIS REPRESENTATIVE IN THE GARDEN,THE REASON THAT SHE WAS NEVER CREATED BUT BUILT THROUGH ADAM'S RIB, ONLY MATTER.

AND AS SOON AS HE WON ADAM, HE BELEIVED THAT THE SON OF GOD WOULD NEVER BE BORN OF A WOMAN.

SO THE ONLY WAY OUT FOR JESUS TO BE BORN THROUGH HER WAS THAT HIS SPIRIT WOULD BE USED TO CREATE MARY'S SINLESS FLESH FIRST AND THEN THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE FATHER CONCEIVED MARY AND JESUS WAS BORN AS SON OF GOD.

SO JESUS SPIRIT IS BOTH MOTHER AND FATHER OF THE CHURCH

the head of the woman is the man

ALL IN HIM,ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

September 9, 2012 at 6:59 am#312065

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Quote (carmel @ Sep. 09 2012,17:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,15:09)

Do you believe Mary was Jesus' biological mother,

Edj,

YES!

Peace and love in Jesus
Charles

Hi Charles,

Could you say this again, but use different words – I almost think I know what you are saying.
Please don't go into too muich detail yet, as I would like to steer the conversation.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 9, 2012 at 1:09 pm#312140

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Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,15:09)

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 09 2012,14:22)

mike,
you and your father have the same nature, Human

but…
if i am going to follow your logic

you are Human
your father is HUMAN

LOL

non sense LOL

Hi Jammin,

Do you believe Mary was Jesus' biological mother,
or just merely a surrogate mother like Pierre believes?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

that is not the topic here.

solve your problem about john 1.1
you have a big problem boy.

john said the Word is the son but you do not believe that.

i think you must create your own bible

September 9, 2012 at 1:33 pm#312149