JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2012,10:07)

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 04 2012,23:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2012,09:01) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 03 2012,21:36) mike, do you agree that Christ had a truly human body? they do not have TWO NATURES mike . Yes jammin, Christ had a truly human body of flesh, blood, and bone. tnx for the answer therefore, you must accept that the body died Yes, I accept the body died. But I'll ask again:  If Christ didn't die exactly the way all humans die, then how can he be the first of many brethren to follow him from the dead?

ok ill answer your question….for the sake of this thread.
Christ had a truly human body and you agreed with that.

the body died.
Christ did that for us
he bought the church with his own blood. acts 20.28

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

Where have you gotten this idea that ones nature defines them as either Human or God?
Having the nature of our father does not make us our father; the same holds true of Jesus.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 08 2012,03:15)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,09:52) jammy Quote you are using NLT to prove christ is not God but that version says he is God. study hard boy LOL YOU DID NOT STUDY HARD ,YOU JUST PLAINY ,FLATLY MAKE A LIAR OUT OF CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD , Mt 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” NOW WHY WOULD CHRIST LIE TO US ALL ,BY SAYING HE IS THE SON RATHER THAN GOD HIMSELF, Quote i believe what the bible says. DO YOU JAMMIN BOY LOL.?????? God the father has a son there is no problem with that boy. i believe Christ is the son of God. his son (Christ) is also God by nature. paul said that in phil 2.6 your father has a son and that is you. just like your father, you are HUMAN by nature. unless you dont want to accept this fact and will say that you are an animal… does it have sense to talk to a person who says Christ is not God,using NLT to prove he is not God, but the version says he is God. think about it boy

jammin

so what you saying is that Christ his a god in his nature right

but he can not be the God of witch he his the son of right

[limjunus]

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 07 2012,20:15)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,09:52) jammy Quote you are using NLT to prove christ is not God but that version says he is God. study hard boy LOL YOU DID NOT STUDY HARD ,YOU JUST PLAINY ,FLATLY MAKE A LIAR OUT OF CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD , Mt 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” NOW WHY WOULD CHRIST LIE TO US ALL ,BY SAYING HE IS THE SON RATHER THAN GOD HIMSELF, Quote i believe what the bible says. DO YOU JAMMIN BOY LOL.?????? God the father has a son there is no problem with that boy. i believe Christ is the son of God. his son (Christ) is also God by nature. paul said that in phil 2.6 your father has a son and that is you. just like your father, you are HUMAN by nature. unless you dont want to accept this fact and will say that you are an animal… does it have sense to talk to a person who says Christ is not God,using NLT to prove he is not God, but the version says he is God. think about it boy

oh' come on Jammin,

Did the NLT said that Jesus Christ is the one and only true God?

Did the NLT said that the nature of the one and only true God is “nature”

Did the NLT specifically said the the word “GOD” is nature?

Jammin, Jammin,… Jammin we are not discussing the human nature here.

Everybody here in Heaven Net knows what kind of nature the mankind had.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 07 2012,20:24)

Hi Jammin, Where have you gotten this idea that ones nature defines them as either Human or God? Having the nature of our father does not make us our father; the same holds true of Jesus. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

the nature of your father is HUMAN

so are you not HUMAN??

are you an animal? LOL

take some vitamins ed

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,22:44)

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 08 2012,03:15) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,09:52) jammy Quote you are using NLT to prove christ is not God but that version says he is God. study hard boy LOL YOU DID NOT STUDY HARD ,YOU JUST PLAINY ,FLATLY MAKE A LIAR OUT OF CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD , Mt 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” NOW WHY WOULD CHRIST LIE TO US ALL ,BY SAYING HE IS THE SON RATHER THAN GOD HIMSELF, Quote i believe what the bible says. DO YOU JAMMIN BOY LOL.?????? God the father has a son there is no problem with that boy. i believe Christ is the son of God. his son (Christ) is also God by nature. paul said that in phil 2.6 your father has a son and that is you. just like your father, you are HUMAN by nature. unless you dont want to accept this fact and will say that you are an animal… does it have sense to talk to a person who says Christ is not God,using NLT to prove he is not God, but the version says he is God. think about it boy jammin so what you saying is that Christ his a god in his nature right but he can not be the God of witch he his the son of right

your father's nature is HUMAN

you are also HUMAN

Christ's father is God by nature.

Christ is also God by nature.
paul said that

i believe what the bible says. i do not need opinion from men.

[jammin]

Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 07 2012,23:20)

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 07 2012,20:15) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,09:52) jammy Quote you are using NLT to prove christ is not God but that version says he is God. study hard boy LOL YOU DID NOT STUDY HARD ,YOU JUST PLAINY ,FLATLY MAKE A LIAR OUT OF CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD , Mt 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” NOW WHY WOULD CHRIST LIE TO US ALL ,BY SAYING HE IS THE SON RATHER THAN GOD HIMSELF, Quote i believe what the bible says. DO YOU JAMMIN BOY LOL.?????? God the father has a son there is no problem with that boy. i believe Christ is the son of God. his son (Christ) is also God by nature. paul said that in phil 2.6 your father has a son and that is you. just like your father, you are HUMAN by nature. unless you dont want to accept this fact and will say that you are an animal… does it have sense to talk to a person who says Christ is not God,using NLT to prove he is not God, but the version says he is God. think about it boy oh' come on Jammin, Did the NLT said that Jesus Christ is the one and only true God? Did the NLT said that the nature of the one and only true God is “nature” Did the NLT specifically said the the word “GOD” is nature? Jammin, Jammin,… Jammin we are not discussing the human nature here. Everybody here in Heaven Net knows what kind of nature the mankind had.

boy
you believe that Christ is not God.

NLT said he is God.

you better read first your favorite version NLT over and over again before talking to me LOL

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

Can you please show us where you assert this to be?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

ed,

the bible said that the Word in john 1.1 is the son (john1.14)

…that Christ is God (john 20.28)
phil 2.6
john 1.1

if you have true knowledge about it, you will have eternal life.
obey and follow God

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

Are you suggesting that our agreeing with
your knowledge is what leads to eternal life?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

paul said
Galatians 1:8

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

8 Whoever tells you good news that is different from the Good News we gave you should be condemned to hell, even if he is one of us or an angel from heaven.

read your bible ed
you should know how to read properly your bible. know the context..

if you can read that Christ is the Word in john 1.1-14, then you should believe that

if you read that he is God (said by thomas), you should believe that.
if you read that he is God (said by paul in phil 2.6), you should believe that.

if you read that he is equal with God (said by paul), you should believe that.

a true christian has a true knowledge about God and he obey and follow God.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2012,13:11)

Hi Jammin, Are you suggesting that our agreeing with your knowledge is what leads to eternal life? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So, is your answer no or yes?

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 08 2012,07:59)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,22:44) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 08 2012,03:15) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,09:52) jammy Quote you are using NLT to prove christ is not God but that version says he is God. study hard boy LOL YOU DID NOT STUDY HARD ,YOU JUST PLAINY ,FLATLY MAKE A LIAR OUT OF CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD , Mt 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” NOW WHY WOULD CHRIST LIE TO US ALL ,BY SAYING HE IS THE SON RATHER THAN GOD HIMSELF, Quote i believe what the bible says. DO YOU JAMMIN BOY LOL.?????? God the father has a son there is no problem with that boy. i believe Christ is the son of God. his son (Christ) is also God by nature. paul said that in phil 2.6 your father has a son and that is you. just like your father, you are HUMAN by nature. unless you dont want to accept this fact and will say that you are an animal… does it have sense to talk to a person who says Christ is not God,using NLT to prove he is not God, but the version says he is God. think about it boy jammin so what you saying is that Christ his a god in his nature right but he can not be the God of witch he his the son of right your father's nature is HUMAN you are also HUMAN Christ's father is God by nature. Christ is also God by nature. paul said that i believe what the bible says. i do not need opinion from men.

J

i can still see you are not grown up yet still that twelve year old ,

so be you have no voice again

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,23:05)

The Holy Spirit is part of God Most High……

So then the Holy Spirit ISN'T actually God Most High Himself, like you've often claimed?  Didn't think so.  

So let's re-do John 1:14 for you once more:

And A PART OF GOD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld the glory of A PART OF GOD, it was the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Question:  Why would a part of God have the glory of the only begotten of God?  Is it possible for God to beget “a part of Himself” as a Son?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 07 2012,03:19)

Christ did that for us   he bought the church with his own blood. acts 20.28

Acts 20:28 NIV
Be shepherds of the church of God(a) which he bought with his own blood.(b)

Footnote A says:
Many manuscripts: of the Lord

Footnote B says:
Or with the blood of his own Son

NETBible, which translates it as, with the blood of his own Son, says:
Greek: “with the blood of his own.”

This is also how it is translated in the NWT:
….the holy spirit has appointed YOU overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own [Son].

This translation is supported by the following verse:
Revelation 5:9 NIV
And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

The one who was slain purchased men FOR GOD with his blood, not for himself.  In other words, the one who purchased men with his blood is NOT the God for whom he purchased them.

jammin, in the Revelation verse I quoted above, someone is deemed worthy to take the scroll from the hand of God. Surely God didn't take the scroll from His own hand……. did He?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 07 2012,06:20)

Did the NLT said that the nature of the one and only true God is “nature” Did the NLT specifically said the the word “GOD” is nature?[

[jammin]

what is wrong with acts 20.28??

Christ bought his church ..
Christ is God mike.

i do not have a problem with that.

t,

maybe you should read your bible well.

ed,

if you can read what i am saying, you should believe

[carmel]

mikeboll64,Sep. wrote:

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Why would a part of God have the glory of the only begotten of God?  Is it possible for God to beget “a part of Himself” as a Son?

Mike,

YES, AND HE ABIDED WITH HIS FULLNESS IN THAT PART OF HIMSELF.

NOTHING LESS COULD CARRY GOD WITHIN HIMSELF, IN ORDER TO PERFORM GOD ATTRIBUTES WHILE ON EARTH AS A SON OF GOD AND A SON OF MAN!!!

THERE'S NO ROOM AND NEVER WAS FOR A SPIRIT GOD TO FUNCTION IN THE TRUTH ON EARTH, SINCE  THERE WAS ALREADY THE god OF THE WORLD SATAN.

Jeremiah 32:28 And they shall be my people,

SO THEY NEVER WERE HIS PEOPLE

and I will be their God

SO HE WAS NEVER THEIR GOD

: 39And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

SO THEY NEVER HAD THE PROPER HEART,THE PROPER WAY, AND THEY NEVER FEARED HIM.

40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them,

SO ALL THE PREVIOUS COVENANTS WERE NEVER OF GOD ALMIGHTY IN THE TRUTH,SINCE THEY WERE NOT EVERLASTING LIKE HIMSELF THE UNIQUE ATTRIBUTE OF ALMIGHTY GOD!!

that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

SO NO MATTER WHAT, FROM JESUS DEATH ONWARDS,CHRISTIANS WERE NEVER AND WOULD NEVER DEPART FOR GOD!!  

   John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man

PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND

. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and MY FATHER AND I ARE ONE.

Peace and love in Jesus the only true visible GOD

Charles

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,09:48)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2012,23:05) The Holy Spirit is part of God Most High…… So then the Holy Spirit ISN'T actually God Most High Himself, like you've often claimed?  Didn't think so.   So let's re-do John 1:14 for you once more: And A PART OF GOD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld the glory of A PART OF GOD, it was the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Question:  Why would a part of God have the glory of the only begotten of God?  Is it possible for God to beget “a part of Himself” as a Son?

Mike,

Yes it is possible for God to beget his Spirit; just as Wisdom has begotten both Jesus and John the Baptist, Matthew 11:18-19.

[mikeboll64]

Charles and Kerwin,

Although you guys both have different biased reasons for claiming that nonsensical things make sense, the fact remains that you are both still claiming that the nonsensical makes sense, in order to force the scriptures to fit around your personal doctrines.

Let's suppose God is made up of 100% God.  Now, let's follow your nonsense and say God can “beget a part of Himself”.  Let's say he beget 20% of Himself and made that 20% become flesh.  Who remained in heaven then?  80% of God?  

Get real, guys.  Can God be divided?  And did the “part of God” He begot ever “merge back” with the other part of God that remained in heaven?  Or does there exist in heaven two different “parts of God”, separate from each other?

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