JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 03 2012,07:19)

the body died.

If Christ didn't die exactly the same way we die, then he cannot be the first of many brethren to be resurrected from the dead.

Jesus said that not all will taste death. And Paul said that Jesus truly tasted death for all of us.

[jammin]

mike,
do you agree that Christ had a truly human body??1 john 4.1

yes or no?

[jammin]

mike,

they do not have TWO NATURES mike .

just like you and your father. do you have TWO natures?

God is form/nature phil 2.6

the father and the son have that same nature, nature God.

John 1.1 BNT
When the world began, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God.

New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2012,03:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2012,17:04) HolySpirit/God Most High's spirit So God's Holy Spirit has a spirit of its own?

Hi Mike,

Do you get confused easily?
The HolySpirit is God's spirit; &
the Spirit of Christ is Jesus' spirit.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,10:47)

Quote (carmel @ Aug. 27 2012,15:14) MIKE, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THAT IS HALF THE TRUTH. UNLESS YOU RESPECT THE FACT THAT JESUS ALSO IS GOD No Charles, Jesus is the Son of God Almighty – not God Almighty Himself. Quote (carmel @ Aug. 27 2012,15:14) AS SOON AS HE CREATED HIS CREATURES…….. All things were created by God THROUGH Jesus.  As Tertullian aptly pointed out, He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another. Quote (carmel @ Aug. 27 2012,15:14) John 16:15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.   EXPLAIN THIS MIKE!! The God and Father of Jesus has given Jesus all He has – as many fathers did for their sons in the scriptures. Quote (carmel @ Aug. 27 2012,15:14) Colossians 1:2That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of THE MYSTERY OF GOD, AND OF THE FATHER, AND OF CHRIST 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. WHY GOD , THE   FATHER, AND CHRIST ARE SEPARATED??? WHY NOT GOD THE FATHER, AND CHRIST.??? Here is the NETBible translation: Colossians 2 2 My goal is that their hearts, having been knit together in love, may be encouraged, and that they may have all the riches that assurance brings in their understanding of the knowledge of the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 6   3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And here is NETNote #6: 6 tc There are at least a dozen variants here, almost surely generated by the unusual wording τοῦ θεοῦ, Χριστοῦ (tou qeou, Cristou, “of God, Christ”; so Ì46 B Hil). Scribes would be prone to conform this to more common Pauline expressions such as: “of God, who is in Christ” (33), “of God, the Father of Christ” (א* A C 048vid 1175 bo), and “of the God and Father of Christ” (א2 Ψ 075 0278 365 1505 pc). Even though the external support for the wording τοῦ θεοῦ, Χριστοῦ is hardly overwhelming, it clearly best explains the rise of the other readings and should thus be regarded as authentic. Charles, the KJV translation of this verse is not a very solid foundation to build your doctrine on, since there are dozens of variants.  Consider the way Paul USUALLY refered to God and His Christ in his letters.  It is usually “We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”.  Why do you ignore the MANY times Paul said those words, and focus instead on one odd translation from the KJV? Also Charles, please make any responding posts short, with maybe one question per post.  I don't enjoy responding to long, drawn out posts. Here is your one question from me: Luke 4:3 The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.” Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!” Charles, why do you suppose that Satan and his demons didn't recognize Jesus as “God Himself, manifested in flesh”?  Why were they confused, and thinking Jesus was the Son OF God?

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Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!”

Mike,

What regarding your carnal wisdom the words:

DON'T TORTURE ME!” MEAN???

What was the demon refering to???

Considering the fact that the demons are still in this world manipulating us,and still have millions amd millions of years to remain in this world???

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 04 2012,15:32)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2012,03:36) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2012,17:04) HolySpirit/God Most High's spirit So God's Holy Spirit has a spirit of its own? Hi Mike, Do you get confused easily? The HolySpirit is God's spirit; & the Spirit of Christ is Jesus' spirit. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ed,

stop saying that the Word in john 1.1 is the HS

john said he is the Son
john 1.14
John 1:14

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

14 The Word became human and lived among us. We saw his glory. It was the glory that the Father shares with his only Son, a glory full of kindness[a] and truth.

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2012,12:47)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 02 2012,10:55) Mike, How many “YEARS” and for how many more “YEARS” are you going to argue with Ed J simply for the sake of arguing? Certainly you have become blue in the face at some point in time in these “YEARS”!   … Hi Frank, Mike changes the wording in an attempt to make truth into a strange doctrine. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,

I have always found it amusing how mikeballs64 argues with others and I in accordance with the Trinitarian concept (theory) of a LITERAL pre-existent Messiah and in turn wonders why I see him a second-hand Trinitarian that pushes such a concept (theory) that is steeped in pagan/god/goddess/devil/idol worship.  

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

“Jesus IS God!”?

…

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 03 2012,21:36)

mike, do you agree that Christ had a truly human body? they do not have TWO NATURES mike .

Yes jammin,

Christ had a truly human body of flesh, blood, and bone.

But he has never had TWO natures at the same time. He WAS existing as a spirit natured being, then was made into a flesh natured being, and then was raised as a spirit natured being again.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 03 2012,22:32)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2012,03:36) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2012,17:04) HolySpirit/God Most High's spirit So God's Holy Spirit has a spirit of its own? Hi Mike, Do you get confused easily?

Ed, do you believe that the Holy Spirit IS God Most High?  YES or NO?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 04 2012,00:03)

Mike, What regarding your carnal wisdom the words: DON'T TORTURE ME!” MEAN???

IMO, the demon meant:  Don't throw me into the lake of fire before the time appointed by your God.

The demons know they're going to the lake of fire eventually.  And they surely don't want to get there earlier than they absolutely have to.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 04 2012,15:38)

Ed J, I have always found it amusing how mikeballs64 argues with others and I in accordance with the Trinitarian concept (theory) of a LITERAL pre-existent Messiah and in turn wonders why I see him a second-hand Trinitarian that pushes such a concept (theory) that is steeped in pagan/god/goddess/devil/idol worship.

I argue in accordance with what the scriptures teach, Frank.  If you are seeing my arguments in a different light, perhaps it is time you check your glasses.

Is Jesus a god (mighty one)?  Scripture clearly says he is.

Is Jesus the Most High God?  Scripture clearly says he isn't.

These are the things I argue, Frank.  If you don't agree with these things, then your disagreement is not with me, but with scripture.

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2012,09:17)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 04 2012,15:38) Ed J, I have always found it amusing how mikeballs64 argues with others and I in accordance with the Trinitarian concept (theory) of a LITERAL pre-existent Messiah and in turn wonders why I see him a second-hand Trinitarian that pushes such a concept (theory) that is steeped in pagan/god/goddess/devil/idol worship. I argue in accordance with what the scriptures teach, Frank.  If you are seeing my arguments in a different light, perhaps it is time you check your glasses. Is Jesus a god (mighty one)?  Scripture clearly says he is. Is Jesus the Most High God?  Scripture clearly says he isn't. These are the things I argue, Frank.  If you don't agree with these things, then your disagreement is not with me, but with scripture.

mikeballs64,

No, Scripture does not teach in favor of the Trinitarian concept (theory) of a LITERAL pre-existent Messiah that is steeped in pagan/god/goddess/devil/idol worship. Scripture in fact clearly teaches against such a concept (theory)  

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

“Jesus IS God!”?

…

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Ed J,

BTW, I agree with you that the set apart (“Holy, Sanctified”) Spirit is of Father Yahweh and in turn is Yahweh, since Yahweh is Spirit and the Supreme source of True Spirit of righteousness. Mike is clearly against what Scripture teaches concerning this clear and obvious truth!

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

“Jesus IS God!”?

…

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2012,09:17)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 04 2012,15:38) Ed J, I have always found it amusing how mikeballs64 argues with others and I in accordance with the Trinitarian concept (theory) of a LITERAL pre-existent Messiah and in turn wonders why I see him a second-hand Trinitarian that pushes such a concept (theory) that is steeped in pagan/god/goddess/devil/idol worship. I argue in accordance with what the scriptures teach, Frank.  If you are seeing my arguments in a different light, perhaps it is time you check your glasses. Is Jesus a god (mighty one)?  Scripture clearly says he is. Is Jesus the Most High God?  Scripture clearly says he isn't. These are the things I argue, Frank.  If you don't agree with these things, then your disagreement is not with me, but with scripture.

Strange that you mention that! I in fact just made an appointment earlier today with my eye doctor, since I have been noticing lately that my eyes are getting worse. No worry though on my part though, since I can simply tilt my head back slightly and see clearly through one of my other focal points in my lenses, since my glasses are tri-focals.  

WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter One

ELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98

The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

“Jesus IS God!”?

…

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 04 2012,16:49)

Ed J, BTW, I agree with you that the set apart (“Holy, Sanctified”) Spirit is of Father Yahweh and in turn is Yahweh,

So when we're told in scripture that God SENDS His Holy Spirit, are we to understand that God SENDS HIMSELF?

When Jesus says the Father will SEND another helper, does he mean that the Father will SEND HIMSELF?

Is it even possible for an individual entity to “send themselves” somewhere? For example, can you “send yourself” to the store, Frank?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 04 2012,17:06)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2012,09:17) ……….perhaps it is time you check your glasses. Strange that you mention that! I have been noticing lately that my eyes are getting worse.

Well, there ya go.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2012,09:05)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 03 2012,22:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2012,03:36) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2012,17:04) HolySpirit/God Most High's spirit So God's Holy Spirit has a spirit of its own? Hi Mike, Do you get confused easily? Ed, do you believe that the Holy Spirit IS God Most High?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

The HolySpirit is God's spirit which tabernacles in us.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 05 2012,09:49)

Ed J, BTW, I agree with you that the set apart (“Holy, Sanctified”) Spirit is of Father Yahweh and in turn is Yahweh, since Yahweh is Spirit and the Supreme source of True Spirit of righteousness. Mike is clearly against what Scripture teaches concerning this clear and obvious truth! …

Thanks Frank!  

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 04 2012,19:30)

Hi Mike, The HolySpirit is God's spirit……….

So is it God's spirit, as in a POSSESSION of God?

Or is it God Most High?

Which one?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2012,12:46)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 04 2012,19:30) Hi Mike, The HolySpirit is God's spirit………. So is it God's spirit, as in a POSSESSION of God? Or is it God Most High? Which one?

Hi Mike,

You don't posses your spirit – your spirit “IS” you.                    Your mind is you.
                                                                                                  Your spirit is you.
                                                                                                  Your body is you.

God's spirit is God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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