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Quote The nation of Israel was “David's kingdom”, although God was also called the “King” of it. Does that mean David was also God? Mike,
You simply mixed GOD’S SPIRIT IN JESUS which is God’s Kingdom, with Satan’s spirit in the flesh of David who was a king of a Satan possessed people.
Scripture says that the kingdom of God belong to the Son.
So if the kingdom of God is of the Son,
the Son united with the Father, is God of that particular kingdom up to now. The Father could not achieve that particular kingdom since He is a spiritual being, so He acquired it through His MYSTERIOUS UNFATHOMABLE ATTRIBUTES OF HIS own Spirit, who is also known to us as His Son.
I REPEAT KNOWN TO US AS HIS SON.
BUT THE WORD SON HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR OWN CARNAL DEFINITION,SINCE GOD IS SPIRIT
Quote FORCE little snippets of scripture to support that truth NO MIKE THEY ARE NOT LITTLE SNIPPETS OF SCRIPTURE.
EVERY DOT IN THE SCRIPTURE IS VALUABLE AS THE WHOLE OF IT.
IT IS YOU MIKE TO PLEASE YOUR CORRUPTED CARNAL MIND SINCE YOU ARE HUMAN,LIKE ALL OF US.
IT IS CLEAR. GOD'S KINGDOM IS OF THE SON,NOT OF THE FATHER.
THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT, AND ONLY THROUGH THE SON THAT THE FATHER BECAME VISIBLE,BECAME KNOWN,REVEALED.
TO CONCLUDE:
Don't consider it the truth when you read
ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.
the ONE is not meant single.
ALMIGHTY GOD it is not meant to be ONE
OUR LANGUAGE CANNOT DEFINE ALMIGHTY GOD. NEVER, NEVER AND NEVER.
PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS
CHARLES
Quote (942767 @ July 28 2012,17:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2012,10:09) Quote (942767 @ July 22 2012,20:39) Hi Mike: John the Baptist said what you quoted from the scripture about Jesus.
John 1
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”
Hi Marty, could you pinpoint the exact place in these verses where John stops writing about “the Word”, and starts writing about “Jesus”?
Hi Mike:When the Logos, which is what God has spoken and embodies a plan, and that plan pertains to giving His only begotten Son to reconcile the world unto Himself, became a physical reality or was made flesh. John 1:14.
Please PINPOINT the exact place in the verses above where John STOPS talking about “the Word”, and STARTS talking about “Jesus”. For example:The Word became flesh…….
Does “becoming flesh” refer to “the Word”? Or does it refer to “Jesus”?……and made his dwellling among us.
Was it “the Word” who made his dwelling among us? Or was it “Jesus”?Do you see what I'm asking? Tell me EXACTLY when John switches subjects (without any notification that he is doing so), and stops speaking about “the Word”, and starts speaking instead about “Jesus”.
Quote (jammin @ July 29 2012,08:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2012,02:25) Quote (jammin @ July 26 2012,21:01) mike, you should go to school mike and study the nature of GOD
jammin,My question still awaits an answer from you. Here it is again:
When Paul wrote of Jesus existing in the “form of God”, what did he mean by the word “God”?
A. A species of beings?
B. A particular being?
before i answer that question, i still have a question for you.
It never ends, does it jammin?We CONTINUE to keep answering your IRRELEVANT questions in the hope that you will EVENTUALLY answer one of ours – but you never do.
I've asked you a very SIMPLE question, jammin. You are either able to answer it and try to defend your flawed doctrine; or you're not. Which is it?
Quote He doesn't need the Lamb to be Almighty, for He is already Almighty before the Lamb even comes into the picture. Master Mike,
When will you get it in you corrupted mind, that when you read the word:
ALMIGHTY within that word ALMIGHTY there's also the divinity of the Son and He has been there from eternity to eternity even HE comes in thousand lambs never mind ONE!!
THE WHOLE OF THE ENTIRE CREATION IS OF ONE SPIRIT OF THE SON .
HOW MANY SPIRITS ARE THERE IN THE ENTIRE CREATION???
CAN YOU GET IT IN YOUR MIND THAT ,THAT IS ALSO ONE KINGDOM OF THE SON,AND ALSO GOD'S KINGDOM.
WHEN WILL YOU RESPECT GOD AS GOD AT LEAST NEVER MIND ALMIGHTY.
GOD IS NOT WITHIN OUR UNDERSTANDING HE IS WITHOUT A LIMIT.
PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS
CHARLES
Quote (carmel @ July 29 2012,08:45) Quote which one is the one and only true God, Jesus or his Father? Lumginus,
READ THESE SCRIPTURES AND NOTICE :
Colossians 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. We give thanks to GOD, AND THE FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you.
John 17: Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, whom thou hast sent.
In colossians it says:
We give thanks to God, and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
NOW:
Is “God, and the Father” the same ENTITY, ALTHOUGH THERE’S A COMA AFTER GOD??? YES
In John 17 it says:
That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ,
NOW:
Is “true God, and Jesus Christ” the same ENTITY,ALTHOUGH THERE’S A COMA AFTER GOD??? YES
EXPLAIN WHY IF IT IS NOT!!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Surely you can't be serious, Charles?
What person would list scriptures that clearly speak of TWO entities, and then try to claim they speak of ONE?
We give thanks to the President and husband of our first lady Michelle Obama.
Does this mean Michelle and Barak are the same entity?
Charles says:
Quote (carmel @ July 29 2012,10:32) Don't consider it the truth when you read ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.
the ONE is not meant single.
ALMIGHTY GOD it is not meant to be ONE
But the scriptures say: Jehovah your God is ONE. The scriptures say that our ONE Almighty God has a Son named Jesus.Hmmmmm………….. Who should I believe?
Jammin is ignoring my question. According to the Bible: Who is the only true God, Jesus Christ or his Father?
and instead post this: “they are both GOD by nature they have the same nature. they are both TRULY GOD the father is truly GOD the son is truly GOD.
Respond: the word the same and both God means, two God/s. It is a direct contradiction to Jesus and apostles teaching that there is only one true God.
another by Jammin:
exmple, you and your father. you are both TRULY HUMAN by nature. your father is truly HUMAN
you are also TRULY HUMAN by nature unless you are an animal.“human nature” could not be compared with God's nature. God nature could not be multiplied as and for being only one or singular. He is the only true God, and besides Him there is no other God, even a single one except Him.
The nature of God, Jesus has is one of the attributes of God. God is holy, Jesus is holy too. God is immortal, Jesus is immortal too for being sinless (due to the same quality, he is equal with God) and that the same “qualities” (holy and immortal) he did not retained it, instead he give it up and agree with God to be the same quality (form) of a man (sinner and mortal) experiencing the normal life of a man and ready to offer his immortality for being sinless (holy) into a mortal for being acting as sinner man, has to suffer and died not for himself but for the sinners (people believing what he had preached) a new agreement or covenant for the salvation of our souls.
The One and only true God, is immortal. He shall never die and He will not die for us to save us from His own wrath.
He ordained somebody to be the Messiah or Savior,.. and that Savior must be suited (with the same quality or nature of God,..holy and immortal) given up the nature or quality of God, to be the Lord and Savior of the sinners. Philippians 2:6-11 KJV)
“God has been manifested in the flesh…” The God's qualities (holy and immortal) that Jesus had, is has been made or obtained when Jesus prove to all and before his God, even though as and being in the form of man, he could be in complete obedience, made him a holy man and be entitled to the immortality as and the same quality with God and that God's qualities he had should be given-up for the sake of his church.(a group of believers in Christ)
Bible is not open to all people to understand the rightful meaning of it, except the preachers is under the rules, ways and pattern of God's revelation. As what it was written in the Book of Romans 10:14-15, 17 KJV)
I love the will of God.
Listen to the rightful meaning:
John 17:1-3 “…..and this eternal life that they may know “YOU” (Father) the only true God, and that they may know Jesus Christ, the one YOU HAVE SENT. [to be made both Christ and Lord]
17 After Jesus said these things, he looked toward heaven and prayed, “Father, the time has come. Give glory to your Son so that the Son can give glory to you. 2 You gave the Son power over all people so that he could give eternal life to all those you have given to him. 3 And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent.
“So, all the people of Israel should know this for certain: God has made Jesus to be Lord and Messiah. He is the man you nailed to the cross!”
Reference: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) John 17:1-3 and Acts 2:36
follow to the rightful understanding:
John 17:1-3 “…..and this eternal life that they may know “YOU” (Father) the only true God, and that they may know Jesus Christ, the one YOU HAVE SENT. [a “MAN” not God, to be made both Christ and Lord]
17 After Jesus said these things, he looked toward heaven and prayed, “Father, the time has come. Give glory to your Son so that the Son can give glory to you. 2 You gave the Son power over all people so that he could give eternal life to all those you have given to him. 3 And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent.
“So, all the people of Israel should know this for certain: God has made Jesus to be Lord and Messiah. He is the man you nailed to the cross!”
Reference: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) John 17:1-3 and Acts 2:36
Three (3) very essential matters that we should not forget with John 17:1-3 and Acts 2:36.
1.) The One and only true God, we must recognized is none other than the Father and God of Jesus Christ.
2.) We must recognize that Jesus Christ, is the one sent by his God and Father. Therefore Jesus Christ is not the only true God. He is the man “sent” and not God, the sender.
3.) The man nailed to the cross, is Jesus and not the only true God (Father) ,…Jesus is a man to be made both Lord and Savior (Messiah).
That's why, apostles messages to us in the book of 1 Cor. 8:7 “But not all people know this.” that the One and only true God, is the Father…..”
1 Corinthians 8:6 “For us there is only one God, and he is our Father. add the Jihn 20:17 KJV
1 Corinthians 8:4 “So this is what I say about eating meat: We know that an idol is really nothing in the world, and we know that there is only one God.
Those people out there, has the guts to contradict these holy and correct statement of the Bible, concerning the truth about who is the One and only true God, are the real anti-Christ and promulgating the schism with the words of God.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2012,03:56) Charles says: Quote (carmel @ July 29 2012,10:32) Don't consider it the truth when you read ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.
the ONE is not meant single.
ALMIGHTY GOD it is not meant to be ONE
But the scriptures say: Jehovah your God is ONE. The scriptures say that our ONE Almighty God has a Son named Jesus.Hmmmmm………….. Who should I believe?
Quote But the scriptures say: Jehovah your God is ONE. The scriptures say that our ONE Almighty God has a Son named Jesus. Mike,
I' ve posted enough on this MYSTERY.
The words which applies to GOD are not meant in the same way as they mean to us.
the ONESS OF GOD IS NOT THE SAME AS ONE ITEM.
THE SON OF GOD IS NOT THE SAME AS A SON OF A HUMAN.
GOD IS ONE AND ALWAYS REMAIN ONE NO MATTER HOW MANY SPIRIT AND VISISBLE CREATURES HE IS MANIFESTED IN THROUGH HIS GENUINE SPIRIT WHO IS KNOWN TO US AS THE SON OF GOD.
THE SON OF GOD IS GOD HIMSELF SIMPLY HIS ABODE, NO MATTER WHAT, GOD ALWAYS REMAIN A SPIRIT AND THE ONLY VISIBLE PERSON TO CARRY THIS UNFATHOMABLE BEING WITHIN HIM IS JESUS, HIS SON .THEREFORE JESUS IS GOD VISIBLE. THE FATHER IS GOD INVISIBLE, BUT THROUGH HIS DEATH IN JESUS AND GLORIFICATION THEY BECAME ONE BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH BEING. ONE GOD IN MYSTICAL BODY
PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS
CHARLES
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2012,03:51) Quote (carmel @ July 29 2012,08:45) Quote which one is the one and only true God, Jesus or his Father? Lumginus,
READ THESE SCRIPTURES AND NOTICE :
Colossians 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. We give thanks to GOD, AND THE FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you.
John 17: Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, whom thou hast sent.
In colossians it says:
We give thanks to God, and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
NOW:
Is “God, and the Father” the same ENTITY, ALTHOUGH THERE’S A COMA AFTER GOD??? YES
In John 17 it says:
That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ,
NOW:
Is “true God, and Jesus Christ” the same ENTITY,ALTHOUGH THERE’S A COMA AFTER GOD??? YES
EXPLAIN WHY IF IT IS NOT!!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Surely you can't be serious, Charles?What person would list scriptures that clearly speak of TWO entities, and then try to claim they speak of ONE?
We give thanks to the President and husband of our first lady Michelle Obama.
Does this mean Michelle and Barak are the same entity?
Quote What person would list scriptures that clearly speak of TWO entities, and then try to claim they speak of ONE? mIKE, YES
GOD THE FATHER BECAME GOD AND JESUS CHRIST THROUGH JESUS' GLORIFICATION.
THAT IS WHY THE TRUE GOD
AGAIN :
HE IS BOTH GOD AND JESUS CHRIST
THE SAME BEING SINCE GLORIFICATION
THEY BECAME ONE ENTITY FOR ETERNITY
PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY TRUE VISIBLE GOD
CHARLES
Quote (carmel @ July 30 2012,09:44) Quote this treasure was never lock Terraricca,
this treasure was never lock
Ezekiel 44: 2Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be SHUT , it shall not be OPENED, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore IT SHALL BE SHUT.
WAS HE LOCKED OR NOT???
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE SPLITTING OF THE CURTAIN IN THE MOST HOLY PLACE AFTER JESUS DIED , WHICH WAS ALWAYS LOCKED BEHIND THE CURTAIN,???
WASN’T IT A PROOF THAT GOD IN JESUS WAS LOCKED IN SATAN’S SPIRIT therefore IN ALL HUMAN’S SOULS ,JESUS’ SPIRIT SUBSTANCE” ZION” since Adam’s first SOUL was possessed by Satan, THROUHG SIN, THEREFORE ALSO ALL HIS GENERATIONS, AND JESUS HAD TO DIE IN ORDER TO REMOVE AND REPLACE HIM.
because Gods creation ad always access to him from the very beginning ,this is what Paul explain in Col1-
Colossians:1: The mystery which hath been
hidden from ages and generations,
SO IT WAS HIDDEN,OR LOCKED.
but now is manifested to his saints,
SO NOW IS MANIFESTED NOT BEFORE
27 To whom God would make known the riches of the glory of this mystery
SO GOD THIS TIME HAS IGNORED HIS PEOPLE ,AND MADE IT KNOWN TO THE GENTILES
among the Gentiles, which is Christ, in you the hope of glory.
SO HUMANS WERE THE PROPERTY OF SATAN’S SPIRIT, AND SATAN MADE THEIR HEART OF STONE, THEY SEE,BUT NOT PERCEIVE, THEY HERE BUT NOT UNDERSTAND AND THEY NEVER BE CONVERTED.
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING GOD LOST CONTACT WITH HUMANS,THROUGH ADAM SIN.
HE TRIED TO PERSUADE THE JEWS, HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE,MOST FILTHY PEOPLE,TO MAKE THEM HOLY, BUT IT WAS OF NO USE!! GOD WAS USELSS!!! HE COULDN’T PERFORM,NOT BECAUSE HE WAS NOT CAPABLE TO DO SO,BUT BECAUSE HIS PEOPLE INGNORED HIM.
BUT THROUGH JESUS’ DEATH HE MADE ALL THE WORLD HOLY IN AN INSTANT.
1 PETER: 9 But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a PURCHASED people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you OUT OF DARKNESS,( OBVIOUS OUT OF SATAN’S GRIP) into his marvellous light:
10 Who in time past WERE NOT A PEOPLE : but are now the people of God. Who had not obtained mercy; but now have obtained mercy.
OK IN TIME PAST :
WERE NOT A PEOPLE SO GOD WAS HANDICAPPED AS A SPIRIT BEING,AND IT WAS A MATTER OF TIME TILL JESUS, THE ONLY TRUE VISIBLE GOD CAME AND CONFIRMED ALMIGHTY GOD ON EARTH
but not all his plan to save what could be saved after the fire of man sin, this was the mistry of the ages,
THAT IS NOT A MYSTERY. IT IS A PROOF THAT SATAN IS ALSO WORKING THROUGH HIS SPIRIT.GOD IS PATIENT AND WHO IS NOT SAVED NOW IN JESUS TERM, HE WOULD BE SAVED IN ANOTHER TERM WHICH ONLY GOD KNOWS WHEN AND HOW!!! BUT IT HAS TO START THROUGH FIRE AGAIN,LIKE WE DID IN THE BEGINNING OF OUR CREATION.
the son of God came down from heaven to fulfill his fathers will,
TO PERFECT HIS WORK THROUGH HIS DEATH.BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY VERY GOOD.
John 4: Jesus saith to them: My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, that I may PERFECT his work.
THE FATHER WAS A SPIRIT AND COULD NOT ACHIEVE SALVATION AS A SPIRIT, BUT SINCE HE EMANATED HIS GENUINE SPIRIT OF HIS SON, HIS SON COULD BE SACRIFICED.
FIRST TO CREATE ALL IN HIM, WITH HIM,AND FOR HIM,IN THE SPIRITUL FLESH, IN ADAM ,AND THEN ,SINCE HE SINNED,TO RECREATE IT IN THE SPIRIT, SINCE ADAM REJECTED GOD,AND LOST COMUNICATION WITH HIM.
SO JESUS DIED AND ACQUIRED BOTH THE FLESH, AND THE SOUL THROUGH THE ELIMINATION OF SATAN’S SPIRIT FROM ALL SOULS,AND NATURE.
even until dead ,and this is again a price that anyone that says he believe must pay to enter THROUGH THE DOOR (JESUS GLORIFIED BODY) the kingdom (THE TREASURE)of Christ or of God, YES THEY ARE EQUAL IT DOESN’T MAKE A DIFFERENCE SINCE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME GOD. ONE SPIRIT, AND ONE FLESH The true God, and Jesus Christ BUT UNITED AS ONE MYSTICAL BODY FOR ETERNITY
the trouble is that a treasure to certain people does not mean the same thing to all ,like I told you before .
WE AS CORRUPTED BEING JESUS CHRIST, DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME THING TO ALL!!!
WE AS CORRUPTED BEING GOD ,DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME THING TO ALL!!!
Peace and live in Jesus
Charles
Charleswhen was Gods will made clear and revealed
the final section of it more or less 100 ad to Johnso because it was given in parts in time ,you feel it is locked
so the only lock I can see is the events that have to be fulfilled and so it is revealed,
just like an author writes a story book and you come to read it half way before he finished it ,what do you get
limjunus,
im not ignoring your question. the bible said that
the father is truly GOD
the son is truly GODyou want verse??
here is the verse
1 John 5:20GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.
John 17:3
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
3 This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent.
i believe what the bible says.
if you cant accept that Christ has the same nature just like his father, then make your own bible.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2012,03:45) Quote (jammin @ July 29 2012,08:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2012,02:25) Quote (jammin @ July 26 2012,21:01) mike, you should go to school mike and study the nature of GOD
jammin,My question still awaits an answer from you. Here it is again:
When Paul wrote of Jesus existing in the “form of God”, what did he mean by the word “God”?
A. A species of beings?
B. A particular being?
before i answer that question, i still have a question for you.
It never ends, does it jammin?We CONTINUE to keep answering your IRRELEVANT questions in the hope that you will EVENTUALLY answer one of ours – but you never do.
I've asked you a very SIMPLE question, jammin. You are either able to answer it and try to defend your flawed doctrine; or you're not. Which is it?
how can i answer your question if you are not answering mine.
i was the one who ask you first.
you should answer minedo you have two natures or one form/nature?
pick your answer mikewhat is the nature of GOD?
what is the nature of man?Quote so because it was given in parts in time , you feel it is locked Terraricca,
Honestly, I respect the way you see things.
But we as humans depend on our maturity, and the amount of reading, praying, and reflections.WHEN IT COMES TO GOD'S WISDOM!!!
So you and me are definitely not the same regarding the above:But permit me and humbly speaking express myself and then you reflect, and decide.
Read and reflect:
Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken
by the prophet, saying: I will open my mouth in parables, Iwill utter things HIDDEN from the foundation of the world:
This scripture says:
I will utter things HIDDEN from the foundation of the world
Since it was from the foundation of the world, what was HIDDEN, AND COULDN'T BE REVEALED TILL JESUS DID??
Nothing was created yet! SINCE IT WAS DURING THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD!
THE FOUNDATION WAS SPIRITUAL,OK??
WE ARE DISCUSSING SPIRITS
So the only things which existed regarding our world, were God the Father, His Son's Spirit, WITHIN Him, the Holy Spirit, and Satan/Lucifer and his angels!!
So Jesus asserted that IN THE TIME OF THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD,THERE WAS SOMETHING HIDDEN.
definitely had to do with the above FOUR SPIRITS
Also DO YOU THING THAT SATAN WAS SIMPLY BURNING HIMSELF IN HELL?
DO YOU THING THAT SATAN WAS NOT INVOLVED IN CREATION?
DO YOU THING THAT SATAN SINCE HE IS THE MOST POWERFULL SPIRIT ON EARTH,always through Jesus power since He is in command,AND HE IS DEFINITELY ENJOYING HIMSELF WITH SO MUCH EVIL IN THIS WORLD, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HE LOST DOMINION, on souls,and nature,WAS NOT EVEN MORE POWERFULL BEFORE JESUS CAME ??
Now I would like you to reflect and tell me from scriptures what was HIDDEN in that moment in time when the foundation of the world was established.
Bit by bit we should discover definitely something HIDDEN EVEN NOW, but only hidden for those who are not ready to search in the truth!!!
Also you never told me WHY THE CURTAIN IN THE MOST HOLY PLACE WAS SPLITT ON JESUS' DEATH.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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