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Nick…….the word Elohim simple means (POWERS) a plural form of Power anyone with powers can be considered an elohim as Jesus plainly said they were gods, But the word Lord God is different, the word Lord (His exists) and GOD means HE who EXISTS with POWERS. He is the ONE AND (ONLY) TRUE GOD>
Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 06 2008,16:31) Hi Mandy,
Thanks for bumping. Of course you might have meant it for Pulivarthy, he is my friend from India a believer of Trinity.I want the attention of brother Nick on Jn 1:1
If he believes the 'word' was another apart from the person God then he is making two Gods in the beginning.Love to you
Adam
Hi Adam,Thanks for inviting your friend to the site! It will be nice to see his viewpoint and get to know him.
I think I may have chatted with him earlier and thought he believed in the Oneness doctrine?
Mandy
Hi GB,
You say
“Nick…….the word Elohim simple means (POWERS) a plural form of Power anyone with powers can be considered an elohim as Jesus plainly said they were gods, But the word Lord God is different, the word Lord (His exists) and GOD means HE who EXISTS with POWERS. He is the ONE AND (ONLY) TRUE GOD> “So what are these principalities and POWERS in scripture?
Seems rather they are beings on high with evil influence over men.Romans 8:38
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.Nick……..Are we talking about the Word Power meaning Elohim or Just that powers can even infer demoniacs of some kind. This might help, when Jesus up breaded the Pharisees by saying they were gods, He was referencing a scripture in Plasm where The elders of Israel were being scolded for not doing there Job as rulers of Israel they were in GOD stead and were given the power by God and they were supposed to have ruled in God's behalf with His judgments and that was the same thing the Pharisees were supposed to have done at the time of Christ. I don't think we are not in agreement on the word but i am not sure.
peace………gene
Hi GB,
There is a satanic kingdom and natural men are affected by the god of this world.
Clearly there are spiritual beings on high under satan that are powerful and strongly influence the thoughts and behaviours of men on earth. Their demonic underlings are their earthly minions within man and Jesus came to set men free to instead serve the One true God.Nick….so Jesus came to set men free from demonic influences from out side forces and not from their own evil influences with in them. But Jesus called them Evil, saying if you being Evil know how to give good gifts, etc, I believe Jesus came to set men free from their own sinful matures not some out side force causing them to sin. The general state of man is contrary to God is not subject to his laws neither can be just as it says. The adversaries are us not some unknown forces jumping in and out of people, men are held accountable for their sin not some one else.
Devils, demons, Satan's are all products of Mythology of pagan origins and everything the people at the time of Christ which they couldn't explain they attributed to some form of demons or devils and stems all the way back to the ancient Egyptians, who worshiped demonic powers in the pagan religions.
Hi GB,
Is there any record of Jesus casting out the evil natures of men?
There is of his work against the demonic spirits.Again I ask you was Jesus influenced by pagan mythology or was he the TRUTH?
Nick……Jesus dealt with people on their level of thinking, These people only understood their term and language, to them when a person had a epileptic attack they thought it was a demon when in fact it was not. You need to realize they did not know any better, You don't see people going around saying people are having demons jump in and out of them now days, science and medicine has come a long way sense those days. Multiple personalities disorders are not demonic influences taking over people but real mental illness that effect there lives. Attributing man Evil to a Devil and demons is just an excuse to justify our own Evil behavior a cop out if you will.Terms like the devil made me do it is false it was our own lusts and desires that made us do it, and needs to be repented of. We are ALL held accountable Just like Jesus held Peter and Judas accountable for what they did.We are not told to God to God and ask to be forgiven what “Satan” caused us to do, but what we ourselves did. imo
Hi GB,
So the TRUTH spoke myths and legends to those who could only cope at that level??So his words are not truth everlasting?
Matthew 24:35
” Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.Mark 13:31
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.Luke 21:33
” Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.Nick…..I know what you are saying but you need to understand Jesus spoke on there level, so they could understand, TO them who believed demons had taken over a person it was like they were removed when GOD healed them. If i were or could walk into a mental institution today and God were to heal everyone in there not one person would think that God drove out demons, they would think God heal them of a mental disorder, Why because Knowledge has greatly increased as scripture said it would, and we need to adjust to that knowledge also. Scripture was written with the knowledge of that time and the mentality of that time we have to always remember that. There has been a lot of truth discovered sense then. imo
Hi Gb,
So cultural context was what ruled Jesus and he cast out demons in the context that he found them?
But such forces no longer exist for the great physician to cure?Adam…. your right, John 1:1, if read (EXACTLY) as written without changing any letters by capitalizing some and not capitalizing other and not putting any preconceived ideologies into the wording and excepting the word for there direct meaning will, come out that the word (expressed Intellect) was with and was God himself.
love and peace brother to you and yours…………gene
hi nick & GB,
it is neither intellect nor mind.before creation it was the name(identification) of God, as I am identified by name.Naming of Adam also was given by God and we learned importance of word and languages through God.Therefore , Word means ,it could be name of God 'I am ” or 'Jehova” which was the source of evrery thing.
pulivarthy sarath babu(PSB)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 08 2008,06:24) Hi GB,
You have just done exactly what you advised against.
You just inserted the word INTELLECT.
Nick…..I did not change anything a WORD is the expression of ones intellect, thats how we communicate right, i did not change anything i simple gave its meaning as all words have meaning, or they are just gibberish right, A word Is the expression of ones intellect and you full well know that. Lets not try to be contrary with each other for just the sake of being contrary brother.peace to you…….gene
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