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I see you believe that no one will perish but all will come to eternal life. But how does that compare to these verses for example:
- I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
- But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
- Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
- He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power - By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
Surely if a man rejects the eternal God who gives life, then he rejects eternal life? And if a man chooses to reject God, then are you saying that he doesn’t respect that and grinds away at them till they can no longer will to reject him. The soul needs the spirit to have life. If the spirit goes back to God and the soul rejects God, then why allow that soul to live eternally with a perfect God? I believe that God will be in harmony with all, not because he makes all choose him in the end, but because those that reject him are removed leaving only the righteous.
The teaching of human beings being tormented in eternal torment by an unloving and unforgiving god causes so many to turn away from the True God as he is constantly blasphemed. Anyone preaching a Christ and God without love, power and empathy turns people away, as does judgment.
1st John 4: “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.”
Miia….Very well said, nothing is perfected in fear, for fear has torment, and love cast out fear.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi,
it is important to recognise that the same word HELL is used to translate many words of different meanings in the KJV.
Tartarus.
Hades and the bosom of Abraham which make up Sheol.
The lake of fire, the second death.
The last is the one is the big deal.
God knows many will not find the truth so as to be saved.
So He has written many merciful chances for men knowing they are but flesh.
eg
Whatever you did to the least of my brethren you did for me.
Hi Jodi,
God will be in all.
He will pour out His Spirit on all flesh
but by that stage ALL may not include very many.
Hi Nick.
The lake of fire is the second death. Death as the absence of life. There is no resurrection from the second death it is permanent. The penalty of sin is death but the gift of God is life eternal without pain and suffering in the presence of God Almighty. Amen.
Hi,
Matt 25.41f
“Then He shall say to those on his left
’Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels….
and these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal”
Rev 20.10
”And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever”
Heb 10.21
“It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God”
Hi Miia,
Be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect
is an exhortation to follow the Spirit.
The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.
And they have love. Love is the fruit that you are born of God. No love, no Spirit because God is love.
The enemy always condemns and opposed everyone who follows God.
God can destroy the soul. He is the one whom we should show ultimate respect. He gives us life and he can take it away. Men can only kill the body, we do not need to fear man.
Believing in eternal torment in fire and believing you are the only truth is very much in line with the spirit of Catholics.
Believe the Spirit and scriptures when they say that man will perish without God.
Do not believe harlots who espouse their own so called truths.
Hi T8,
What is it that you do not accept in these scriptures of God?
Do you serve the interests of God or men?
Scripture I agree with. I do not follow the tradition that evil men have an eternal soul and thus will not perish in the Second Death because they have eternal life. Clearly, God spared man that fate. Eternal judgement is one of the foundations of our faith and yet again, the traditionalists got that wrong too. Only the righteous will exist forever and ever. Many false teachers preach and allude to the idea that the wicked will suffer in flames in the Lake of Fire or Hell for all eternity. Do you teach this Nick?
Genesis 3:21-24
22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.Psalms 37:20
“But the wicked will perish: Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field, they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.”Malachi 4:1
“For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.”John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.Hi T8,
An interesting question which needs clarification.
Do you understand that the word HELL covers both Hades and Gehenna, the lake of fire?
Do you realise that the rich man is in the waiting place of the lost, Hades, in Lk 16?
Of course Hades is cast into lake of fire when it is no longer needed.rev.20.14
The risk of perishing spoken of by Jesus, in Lk 13, is in relationship to physical death.
Gehenna is the big deal, and follows the second resurrection and the final judgement.
We know of the new heavenly bodies those in the first resurrection receive.
Do we know the details of the state of those raised in the second resurrection?
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