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Marty,
agree one gospel for all but for the Jews first ; and those Jews came from all over the world if you read it good ,does not baptism also mean emerging ?
To all……JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER BUT WITH THE SPIRIT, WATER ONLY CLEANES THE OUT SIDE, BUT BAPTIZM OF THE SPIRIT CLANS THE INSIDE. John clearly said he baptized with water, but he that came after him was to baptize with the SPIRIT AND POWER.
While water baptize maybe a open profession of ones acceptance of JESUS’ SACRIFICE, what really counts is the BAPTIZM OF THE SPIRIT. IMO
I was baptized twice the first time i did not recieve the SPIRIT OF GOD, LEFT THAT CHURCH AND NEVER WENT BACK, THE SECOND TIME I WAS BAPTIZED THE ELDERS LAYED THEIR HANDS ON ME, I RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT THE PEACE OF GOD CAME INTO ME I ACTUALLY FELT IT, I STILL HAVE IT TO THIS VERY DAY. TO KNOW IF GOD IS WITH YOU IS SIMPLE JUST MAKE A REQUEST AND SEE FOR YOURSELF, did he not say “I AM FOUND BY THOSE WHO SEEK ME”, ANYONE WHO DOES NOT SEE THE HAND OF GOD IN THEIR LIFE DOES NOT RECONIZE HIM AND ARE SPIRITUALLY BLIND. IMO
peace and love to you all and yours. ……………gene
Yes, at Pentecost there were jews there from all over the world, but if we say that there is one gospel for all peoples, and there was a commandment for jews to be baptized in water, wouldn’t it also mean that the commandment applies to us as well? What about the jailer or the Eunuch in the following scripture? Were they Jews?
Acts 16:28-34King James Version (KJV)
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
Acts 8
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
Nick,
Hi KW,
Yes you believe that.
But is it supported in scripture?
Where in Acts is it shown?
Since Paul used immersion in water to demonstrate the grave and being resurrected to a new life from the grave I see no reasonable doubt that is what he was teaching.
Now in the book of Acts Peter preached Repent, and be baptized; every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” (Acts 2:38 AV of the KJV).
He did not mention one word about the laying on of hands but instead he used the word “and” to connect receiving “the gift of the Holy Spirit” to being immersed in water.
Peter makes the same connection Paul does.
The confusion comes because the Spirit serves God to do multiple missions. It served the mission of giving gifts, including prophecy in the OT. The Seventy Elder for example were given the gift of tongues. None of them, even King Saul; who was said to become another man, received the Spirit in order to live by it. We know this because Jesus said the Advocate would come unless he went away and John 7:39 tells us no one would receive the Holy Spirit until Jesus Christ was glorified.
You know Scripture cannot be broken and so to you also should realize there is a difference between the Spirit that gave gifts to the Seventy Elders and others before Jesus was glorified and the Spirit that is called the Advocate as the later did not come until Jesus Christ went away.
Gene,
The Apostles immersed believers in water. Act 8:38 reveal where Philip immersed the Ethiopian in water and Acts 10:47 is where Peter asked the Jews with him if any could forbid the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius water that those same Gentiles should be immersed.
After Philip’s actions and Peter’s words why would you forbid any believer water?
I assure you that neither Philip nor Peter are heretics.
Yes, at Pentecost there were jews there from all over the world, but if we say that there is one gospel for all peoples, and there was a commandment for jews to be baptized in water, wouldn’t it also mean that the commandment applies to us as well? What about the jailer or the Eunuch in the following scripture? Were they Jews?
Acts 16:28-34King James Version (KJV)
Hi Marty yes that’s true.
Also, the Gentiles in Acts 10 received the Holy Spirit and when Peter saw that, he declared “Can anyone forbid water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. (Acts 10.34-48).
(Edit: As I just noticed Kerwin said!)
To all……JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER BUT WITH THE SPIRIT, WATER ONLY CLEANES THE OUT SIDE, BUT BAPTIZM OF THE SPIRIT CLANS THE INSIDE. John clearly said he baptized with water, but he that came after him was to baptize with the SPIRIT AND POWER.
While water baptize maybe a open profession of ones acceptance of JESUS’ SACRIFICE, what really counts is the BAPTIZM OF THE SPIRIT. IMO
I was baptized twice the first time i did not recieve the SPIRIT OF GOD, LEFT THAT CHURCH AND NEVER WENT BACK, THE SECOND TIME I WAS BAPTIZED THE ELDERS LAYED THEIR HANDS ON ME, I RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT THE PEACE OF GOD CAME INTO ME I ACTUALLY FELT IT, I STILL HAVE IT TO THIS VERY DAY. TO KNOW IF GOD IS WITH YOU IS SIMPLE JUST MAKE A REQUEST AND SEE FOR YOURSELF, did he not say “I AM FOUND BY THOSE WHO SEEK ME”, ANYONE WHO DOES NOT SEE THE HAND OF GOD IN THEIR LIFE DOES NOT RECONIZE HIM AND ARE SPIRITUALLY BLIND. IMO
Gene, I agree with you so far as answered prayer and the peace of God. But please clarify: are you saying that Baptism in the Spirit is the most important baptism, but water baptism is also important?
Kerwin…..I CERTANLY am not against being baptized with water, what i am saying is being baptized with SPIRIT AND FIRE is what counts. Many have been baptized with water and have not recieved the baptizm of the spirit. I sure didn’t, the first time i was baptized, but it was an HONEST appeal to GOD, FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF MY SINS THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS BOTH TIMES. THAT BEING SAID, GOD WAS ACTIVELY AND OBVISELY REAVEALING HIMSELF IN MY LIFE, even before i was baptized the second time.
Both types of baptizms PORTRAY a cleansing process, the baptizm of the flesh cleans the flesh, while baptizm of the spirit cleans our spirits.
Many have cleansed the outside of the cup, but the inside has yet to be cleaned. If the lord told me to go a dunk myself seven times in water i would certainly do it. Look I believe most here believe we should be water baptized and they also believe in tbe baptizm of the spirit to. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Mila…….i believe we should do what the apostles said we should do. But being baptized with water is not the same as wih the SPIRIT. But why leave any thing out, be baptized with water and the spirit. I don’t see anything wrong with either, we have our examples we just need to follow them. If the lord decided to change WATER BAPTIZM, he would not suffered his deciples to do it IMO.
peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
Gene,
There is few valid water immersions simply because most teachers are heretics. This has led me to think that the church is still hidden in her place and the dragon still pursues her children that among the nations.
Without obeying Jesus’ teachings, as the Eleven did, a believer will not receive the Spirit. Those that do no believe cannot expect to receive anything from God.
Marty
Acts 16:28-34King James Version (KJV)
thanks,but if we pay attention to the story in all cases it is the convert that ask to be baptized on the bases of only a few hours of given information about Jesus ,and his father ;
what religion today baptizes in this fashion ? or would you say this type of baptism does not count any more ?
Nick,
Hi KW,
The Spirit is a not a reward for good behaviour.
It must be given from above to be received.
I have no idea what you call “good behavior” but I do know you cannot receive the Spirit unless you obey Jesus’ instructions on how to do so.
Hi KW,
But you have your own ideas on this that differ from what is written.
Did Philip baptise and yet none received the Spirit?
Did other apostles come to lay hands on them?
Acts 8.14.f
Hi KW,
Acts 8 is pretty clear teaching that the Spirit is not given AUTOMATICALLY at baptism.
Do you agree?
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