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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 27 2013,13:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 27 2013,14:46) 2B, Jesus, the Son of God, now sits at the right hand of God, having been given the name above all names.
Where does this leave the “other” Son of God, the Holy Spirit?
Was the flesh Son elevated to an even higher position than the original Spirit Son?
Mike I believe I have maybe gone a little off track somewhere, possibly through reading and studying other writings. If I go back to where I believe I may have gone off track….. then as to your question ((Was the flesh Son elevated to an even higher position than the original Spirit Son?))….. There is only one true God, and that one true God has a mind and a spirit as we do, and so how could the one true God's own Spirit be less than the one who is seated at the one true God's right hand side?
2beesee,Reading other writings is helpful gain context of the knowledge of the people being written to and doing the writing but it is needful to test the spirit.
The Son is in Jesus and gives its full authority over all things in heaven and earth to him. He even has authority to give the Son to others, which is why Paul wrote that Jehovah was pleased to reveal the Son in him, Galatians 1:15-16. Paul has not been given full authority, nor has anyone else.
Jesus lives according to the Spirit even as he has the authority to send it. So Jesus obeys the Son that is in him even as he sends the Son to be in those that believe.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2013,17:46) 2B, Jesus, the Son of God, now sits at the right hand of God, having been given the name above all names.
Where does this leave the “other” Son of God, the Holy Spirit?
Was the flesh Son elevated to an even higher position than the original Spirit Son?
Hi Mike,Rev.21:9 “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
TWO BECAME ONE
Peace brother…..
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 27 2013,23:57) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 27 2013,13:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 27 2013,14:46) 2B, Jesus, the Son of God, now sits at the right hand of God, having been given the name above all names.
Where does this leave the “other” Son of God, the Holy Spirit?
Was the flesh Son elevated to an even higher position than the original Spirit Son?
Mike I believe I have maybe gone a little off track somewhere, possibly through reading and studying other writings. If I go back to where I believe I may have gone off track….. then as to your question ((Was the flesh Son elevated to an even higher position than the original Spirit Son?))….. There is only one true God, and that one true God has a mind and a spirit as we do, and so how could the one true God's own Spirit be less than the one who is seated at the one true God's right hand side?
2beesee,Reading other writings is helpful gain context of the knowledge of the people being written to and doing the writing but it is needful to test the spirit.
The Son is in Jesus and gives its full authority over all things in heaven and earth to him. He even has authority to give the Son to others, which is why Paul wrote that Jehovah was pleased to reveal the Son in him, Galatians 1:15-16. Paul has not been given full authority, nor has anyone else.
Jesus lives according to the Spirit even as he has the authority to send it. So Jesus obeys the Son that is in him even as he sends the Son to be in those that believe.
Kerwin, I find that reading other writings, including things on the net written by random people is not right (though I do learn off a couple of posters here). We have no need for anyone to teach us as the spirit teaches us all things and in God's time which is much different than our time. We need to know everything IMMEDIATELY. But i have found that God does not work like this and will show us “little bits here and there” day by day. Jesus says “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.”
Test the spirit always, as you say. The spirit comes and goes, like the wind. Some people have the spirit maybe continuously. Perhaps because they have found their peace and.. things.
When I was shown a few verses months ago, I could not understand some things and I was shown that even the disciples could not understand!
Trying to understand the complexities is, in a way, not having faith in the complex…. through simplicity that is in Christ!
Peace Kerwin.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2013,12:29) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 27 2013,04:36) Mow please go back and answer all the Yes or No questions on page 170 i listed, seems T8 can't ,maybe you can.
Did it ever occur to you that T8 may not have read that page.This is an apt demonstration that you are unable to see more than your own view.
This is proof.
T8…..Then why did you answer one of them on Page 171 if that was the case.Now can i say to you as you said to me, “this is an apt demonstration that you are unable to see more than your own view. “This is Proof”
peace and love to you and your…………………………gene
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 28 2013,16:06) Hi Kerwin,
I apologize about my rambling
2beesee,I did not perceive your words as ramblings.
The Shepherd rambles but does give a look into early Christian teachings.
2besee………..I have just finished reading THE SHEPHERD OF HERMAS ,I believe it may well have been an original teaching . It is very well presented and we can drive much information from it, though I didn't completely retain all of it and need to study it further.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Quote (abe @ Feb. 27 2013,11:17) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2013,17:46) 2B, Jesus, the Son of God, now sits at the right hand of God, having been given the name above all names.
Where does this leave the “other” Son of God, the Holy Spirit?
Was the flesh Son elevated to an even higher position than the original Spirit Son?
Hi Mike,Rev.21:9 “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
TWO BECAME ONE
Peace brother…..
Hi Mike,15 (Jesus) “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
16“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
18“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.I WILL COME TO YOU. Two became ONE.
Peace brother.
Quote (abe @ Mar. 02 2013,08:58) Hi Mike, 15 (Jesus) “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
16“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
18“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.I WILL COME TO YOU. Two became ONE.
Peace brother.
Amen Abe that is how I see it.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 02 2013,04:31) 2besee………..I have just finished reading THE SHEPHERD OF HERMAS ,I believe it may well have been an original teaching . It is very well presented and we can drive much information from it, though I didn't completely retain all of it and need to study it further. Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Hi Gene it is really interesting.Don't worry about the study that i posted after the Shepherd. I don't believe that one, I wish I could take it off the thread.
But, the early church accepted the Shepherd, and have never in the earliest time right through to the council of Nicea, have not questioned it's belief in the Son being the Holy Spirit, nor in Jesus being Adopted as the Son of God and then becoming as one with the Holy Spirit.
My health is not very good so I cannot post for a while, much.
God bless.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 01 2013,13:05) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 28 2013,16:06) Hi Kerwin,
I apologize about my rambling
2beesee,I did not perceive your words as ramblings.
The Shepherd rambles but does give a look into early Christian teachings.
Thank you Kerwin.Quote (2besee @ Mar. 02 2013,08:08) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 02 2013,04:31) 2besee………..I have just finished reading THE SHEPHERD OF HERMAS ,I believe it may well have been an original teaching . It is very well presented and we can drive much information from it, though I didn't completely retain all of it and need to study it further. Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Hi Gene it is really interesting.Don't worry about the study that i posted after the Shepherd. I don't believe that one, I wish I could take it off the thread.
But, the early church accepted the Shepherd, and have never in the earliest time right through to the council of Nicea, have not questioned it's belief in the Son being the Holy Spirit, nor in Jesus being Adopted as the Son of God and then becoming as one with the Holy Spirit.
My health is not very good so I cannot post for a while, much.
God bless.
2besee……….I also believe Jesus was an adopted son of God too. Our being called Sons of God is also a adoptionship process. I believe a good study of the Shepard of Hermas here would be fruitful brother and could solve some doctrinal differences here.Sorry to here about your health brother, You are a very good poster and the spirit is expressed by you often, Me and Kerwin and i do believe Abe and others here even Mike i believe enjoys your sound posts. I will ask our Father and Lord Jesus to heal you brother. We need to all pray for one another always. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 02 2013,06:04) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 02 2013,08:08) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 02 2013,04:31) 2besee………..I have just finished reading THE SHEPHERD OF HERMAS ,I believe it may well have been an original teaching . It is very well presented and we can drive much information from it, though I didn't completely retain all of it and need to study it further. Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Hi Gene it is really interesting.Don't worry about the study that i posted after the Shepherd. I don't believe that one, I wish I could take it off the thread.
But, the early church accepted the Shepherd, and have never in the earliest time right through to the council of Nicea, have not questioned it's belief in the Son being the Holy Spirit, nor in Jesus being Adopted as the Son of God and then becoming as one with the Holy Spirit.
My health is not very good so I cannot post for a while, much.
God bless.
2besee……….Sorry to here about your health brother, You are a very good poster and the spirit is expressed by you often, Me and Kerwin and i do belive Abe and others here even Mike i belive enjoys your sound posts. I will ask our Father and Lord Jesus to heal you brother. We need to all pray for one another always. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
May it be so.Quote (2besee @ Mar. 01 2013,13:08) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 02 2013,04:31) 2besee………..I have just finished reading THE SHEPHERD OF HERMAS ,I believe it may well have been an original teaching . It is very well presented and we can drive much information from it, though I didn't completely retain all of it and need to study it further. Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Hi Gene it is really interesting.Don't worry about the study that i posted after the Shepherd. I don't believe that one, I wish I could take it off the thread.
But, the early church accepted the Shepherd, and have never in the earliest time right through to the council of Nicea, have not questioned it's belief in the Son being the Holy Spirit, nor in Jesus being Adopted as the Son of God and then becoming as one with the Holy Spirit.
My health is not very good so I cannot post for a while, much.
God bless.
Hi 2besee,May God be with you, and his Son Jesus Christ.
Peace brother..
Quote (abe @ Feb. 26 2013,21:45) Hi Mike, 1. Christ is the Beginning of the creation. (WISDOM)
2. The WORD is another Part of HIM. (WORD)
3. The Spirit of God is another PART of him. (SPIRIT)
4. The different parts were created IN the First DAY or (LIGHT).
5. How did they get separated?
Peace brother…
Hi Abe,1. Yes. Christ is the beginning of God's creation. (Rev 3:14)
2. The Word, as it applies to Jesus, is a title for the head spokesman of God. This particular Word is the Son of God, not a “part of” God.
3. I agree that the Spirit of God is a part of God, like an extension of Him.
4. Jesus Christ/The Word was created as the first of God's works, before the ages. The Holy Spirit was not created.
5. Who was separated? The Son of God has always been a different being than God – ever since God created him as the first of His works.
peace
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 26 2013,23:24) Mike, So your position stands that certain humans are lesser gods because scripture calls them gods.
Yes Kerwin,If scripture called Jesus a polka-dotted bunny, then I would also believe that, because it was scripture that said so.
The real question is: If scripture DOES call them gods, like you admit, then WHY in the world would YOU bend over backwards trying to prove scripture wrong?
Also, it is not just certain human beings that are lesser gods, according to scripture. It is also demons, Satan, Jesus, and angels.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 27 2013,01:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 27 2013,14:46) 2B, Was the flesh Son elevated to an even higher position than the original Spirit Son?
Mike I believe I have maybe gone a little off track somewhere……….. how could the one true God's own Spirit be less than the one who is seated at the one true God's right hand side?
Well Jesus (the formerly flesh son) sits at the right hand of God in the highest position available.Where does God's other son, the Holy Spirit, sit?
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 27 2013,02:01) The word was not another God, just as Gods spirit is not another God. That is silly.
Well so far, I've been going verse by verse, and showing you all that the very things said about “The Word” in John 1 are said elsewhere in scripture about “Jesus”. There hasn't been a miss yet, and many of the verses contain two or three hits.So keep on thinking it's “silly” for a while longer………… because after I'm done with the “Jesus” comparisons, we're going to do the same verse by verse thing with “the Holy Spirit Son” – and see how many hits and misses we come up with.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 27 2013,04:57) The Son is in Jesus and gives its full authority over all things in heaven and earth to him. He even has authority to give the Son to others……………
Have you run that one by Gene yet, Kerwin? He keeps on reminding us that THE FATHER was in Jesus, doing the works – just like scripture says. I don't believe I've read any scripture that speaks of God's Son being in God's Son.Yet you say one of God's Sons has authority to give the OTHER Son to us?
Hmmmm………………..
Quote (abe @ Feb. 27 2013,13:17) Hi Mike, Rev.21:9 “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
TWO BECAME ONE
The two are still two, Abe. They are “one” in purpose, just like all of us can be “one” with them, without actually BEING them.But there are still two of them. One sits at the right hand of the other, waiting for that other to place all enemies at his feet so that he can destroy them.
After that, one will hand the kingdom back to the OTHER one.
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