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Quote Answer is: Jesus is in Heaven but the SPIRIT is here, the Spirit which was also in Him, the eternal Spirit of God. you know unles you tell me what you understand by that SPIRIT that was in Christ ,it does not make sens sinse you do not believe all of scriptures as they are written,
so please qualify your meaning
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2012,07:07) 2b Quote Answer is: Jesus is in Heaven but the SPIRIT is here, the Spirit which was also in Him, the eternal Spirit of God. you know unles you tell me what you understand by that SPIRIT that was in Christ ,it does not make sens sinse you do not believe all of scriptures as they are written,
so please qualify your meaning
Hi Teraricca, The Holy Spirit.Did you not know that?
“Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, 'Show us the Father?' Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works' sake.” John 14:8
“God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24
“Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.” Matt 12:328
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 02 2012,03:23) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2012,07:07) 2b Quote Answer is: Jesus is in Heaven but the SPIRIT is here, the Spirit which was also in Him, the eternal Spirit of God. you know unles you tell me what you understand by that SPIRIT that was in Christ ,it does not make sens sinse you do not believe all of scriptures as they are written,
so please qualify your meaning
Hi Teraricca, The Holy Spirit.Did you not know that?
“Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, 'Show us the Father?' Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works' sake.” John 14:8
“God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24
“Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.” Matt 12:328
2byou make seen like all is chocolate ,to me they all are different ,the spirit of the prophecy his not the holy spirit but of it ;
the holy spirit his of God ,
the spirit of men his not the spirit of God or of Christ ,
yes God his spirit but that is his being that his spirit ,and sins we are made partly of flesh and of spirit ;it is importante that we use the our part of the spirit to worship him ,and not let our fleshly parts corrupt the spirit part of us
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Quote Hi Teraricca, The Holy Spirit. Did you not know that?
I know much more but what I do not know is if you know what I know is the same ,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,22:32) And it seems to me that the only reason you claim the Word can't be Jesus is because there is only one god in existence. But we can't take those scriptures in Isaiah LITERALLY, because Jesus is also a god, right? And so is Satan, and many others. Other than that, I've only heard you offer the claim that a person's word IS that person. But that's not true either. Do this test:
Do you worship Jehovah your God? YES. Do you worship the word OF Jehovah as your God? NO.
Do you pray to Jehovah your God? YES. Do you pray to the Spirit OF Jehovah as your God? NO.
Things that are OF someone aren't also that person. You can't say, “Your word is you”, because the word “your”, in and of itself, proves that it is a POSSESSION OF you, and not you yourself.
Get it? MY hair is not me. MY love is not me. YOUR leg is not you. YOUR spirit is not you. HIS word is not him. HIS wisdom is not him.
All these capitalized words are called “possessive pronouns”. They indicate things that a person POSSESSES. They DON'T indicate things that equate to that person himself.
peace,
mike
Mike, that is EXACTLY why John 1:1 says 'In the beginning was the word and the word was WITH God and the Word WAS GOD.'The Book of “John” is one of the most valuable books in the Bible. It was written by 'the one whom Jesus loved.' Lazarus.
Do you not think that Lazarus KNEW these things? Do you not think that Lazarus would have known HOW to word John 1:1?
Do you think it wise to change it?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,22:32) Consider what we know from scripture:
1. Jesus IS callled a god, like you said.
2. Jesus IS called “the Word” in Rev 19:13.
3. All things were said to have been created through “the Word” (John 1:3), and they are also said to have been created through Jesus (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2).
4. This particular Word from John 1:1 became flesh, and dwelled among us with the glory of God's only begotten Son.
5. Jesus is called “the Word of Life” in 1 John 1.There are more points I could make, but these should suffice.
And it seems to me that the only reason you claim the Word can't be Jesus is because there is only one god in existence. But we can't take those scriptures in Isaiah LITERALLY, because Jesus is also a god, right? And so is Satan, and many others.
Mike, could you please point out to me where it says that Jesus is called 'a god' thank you.I just want to look at those verses.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 02 2012,03:29) 2besee………..They simply do not understand Jesus was never a God of anykind or never will be one either. He has a GOD and that is not himself. That God is a Sprit and indwelt him just as he can indwell us also. peace and love to you and yours 2besee……………………..gene
Hi Gene just remember too that Jesus is our Lord and our Teacher and He sits at God's right hand.Try not to bring Jesus down to being just a man no different than we are now because Jesus was given the Spirit without measure, okay.
I hear what you are saying but just remember who our Lord is.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2012,10:33) 2b you make seen like all is chocolate ,to me they all are different ,the spirit of the prophecy his not the holy spirit but of it ;
the holy spirit his of God ,
the spirit of men his not the spirit of God or of Christ ,
yes God his spirit but that is his being that his spirit ,and sins we are made partly of flesh and of spirit ;it is importante that we use the our part of the spirit to worship him ,and not let our fleshly parts corrupt the spirit part of us
Hi Terraricca,'Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;
and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God who inspires them all in every one.To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit.'
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 02 2012,04:58) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2012,10:33) 2b you make seen like all is chocolate ,to me they all are different ,the spirit of the prophecy his not the holy spirit but of it ;
the holy spirit his of God ,
the spirit of men his not the spirit of God or of Christ ,
yes God his spirit but that is his being that his spirit ,and sins we are made partly of flesh and of spirit ;it is importante that we use the our part of the spirit to worship him ,and not let our fleshly parts corrupt the spirit part of us
Hi Terraricca,'Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;
and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God who inspires them all in every one.To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit.'
2bbeesI was under the empression that you were talking about the spirits and the holy spirit not the gifts ,was I wrong
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 01 2012,16:03) Do you not think that Lazarus KNEW these things? Do you not think that Lazarus would have known HOW to word John 1:1?
I don't agree that Lazarus wrote the gospel of John, but I do agree that the writer of John 1:1 was well aquainted with the intricacies of the Greek language.There is a reason he wrote that the word was god, but that the word was with THE God. He only used the definite article “THE” in front of one instance of “god”. There is a reason for that, 2B.
Did you know that Coptic was the first language into which the NT was translated that uses an indefinite article? Guess how 1:1 is translated into the Coptic language……… that's right, “the Word was a god”. Food for thought.
I also heard from a native of Greece that, although there are Trinitarians there, none of them use John 1:1 as a proof text, because it is understood to Greek speaking peoples that the Word was a god who was with the God. More food for thought.
I just had a thought about Lazarus being the writer of John. Consider that at the last supper, only Jesus and the 12 Apostles were present. (Matthew 26:20) And at that supper, “the disciple whom Jesus loved” was reclining against Jesus. (John 13:23)
So, unless Lazarus was one of the twelve at the last supper, he did not write the gospel of John.
Mike, I have faith and confidence in what was revealed to me that John 1:1 is to be read exactly as it reads in most translations.
Can you please tell me how you came to believe that John 1:1 is supposed to be 'a god'.
Thanks.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 02 2012,11:17) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,22:32) Consider what we know from scripture:
1. Jesus IS callled a god, like you said.
2. Jesus IS called “the Word” in Rev 19:13.
3. All things were said to have been created through “the Word” (John 1:3), and they are also said to have been created through Jesus (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2).
4. This particular Word from John 1:1 became flesh, and dwelled among us with the glory of God's only begotten Son.
5. Jesus is called “the Word of Life” in 1 John 1.There are more points I could make, but these should suffice.
And it seems to me that the only reason you claim the Word can't be Jesus is because there is only one god in existence. But we can't take those scriptures in Isaiah LITERALLY, because Jesus is also a god, right? And so is Satan, and many others.
Mike, could you please point out to me where it says that Jesus is called 'a god' thank you.I just want to look at those verses.
And also don't forget this, thanks.Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2012,13:50) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 02 2012,04:58) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2012,10:33) 2b you make seen like all is chocolate ,to me they all are different ,the spirit of the prophecy his not the holy spirit but of it ;
the holy spirit his of God ,
the spirit of men his not the spirit of God or of Christ ,
yes God his spirit but that is his being that his spirit ,and sins we are made partly of flesh and of spirit ;it is importante that we use the our part of the spirit to worship him ,and not let our fleshly parts corrupt the spirit part of us
Hi Terraricca,'Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;
and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God who inspires them all in every one.To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit.'
2bbeesI was under the empression that you were talking about the spirits and the holy spirit not the gifts ,was I wrong
Hi Terraricca, try looking again at that verse:'Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;
and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God who inspires them all in every one.To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom,
and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits,
to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit.'
Do you see that?
It is the one and the same spirit of the one and the same God.Quote (2besee @ Dec. 02 2012,16:26) Can anyone…Ed, okay I'm asking you… What is the spirit of Christ and is it the same spirit? IYO.
Hi 2Besee, “No”.Is the “HolySpirit” and the “Spirit of Christ” the same? (Link)
“If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23)“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the
(1)Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the
(2)Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)1) The Spirit of God(HolySpirit)
2) Spirit of Christ(spirit of Jesus)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Reason for Edit: Misspelled 2BeseeQuote (2besee @ Dec. 01 2012,23:12) Can you please tell me how you came to believe that John 1:1 is supposed to be 'a god'.
Well, God-given common sense should tell ANYONE that “God” cannot be WITH “God”. That should be anyone's first clue. Even the TRINITARIAN scholars of NETNotes, who want more than anything for Jesus to be God, say:The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)
Secondly, the Word from John 1:1 BECAME FLESH – something that God Almighty never did.
And lastly, WHEN the Word became flesh, he didn't have the glory of God, but the glory of the SON OF God. How does something that is God have the glory of God's Son, instead of the glory of God?
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