In the Beginning

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,16:49)

Right now, the bottom line is that YOU are claiming Jesus IS the Holy Spirit of God because of the words “one spirit” and “one Lord”. That conclusion does NOT match the rest of scripture (like the ones where Jesus is FILLED WITH the Holy Spirit) – and is therefore FLAWED.

No,
Jesus is not the Holy Spirit… You are misunderstanding…

Jesus is a man/Son of God (the second Adam).

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The Holy Spirit is the “eternal” Son of God – and also a part of God.

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Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus but the two worked together as one, due to Jesus the mans perfection.

February 10, 2013 at 9:40 pm#332480

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Mike, and T, (I read your posts but will comment here so I am talking to you as well)..

Where the problem is and always has been is that people make the word of God out to be some other being when the word of God is God's speech.
The Holy Spirit was not a man or some other being (how silly!)

And Jesus was a man.

Due to God's foreknowledge of everything (God knows all before it happens – God even knows what YOU will be doing tomorrow).. due to this foreknowledge, GOD ALWAYS KNEW THAT JESUS WOULD COME AND GOD KNEW THAT HE WOULD BE SINLESS – God knew that he would be the second Adam.

Am I beginning to get somewhere? No!? lol.

February 10, 2013 at 9:55 pm#332485

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The Holy Spirit is God's own Spirit — just as your Spirit is a part of you, as I have said, and as scripture says. God's Spirit can be SHARED, poured out, etc.

God (The Father) is the mind, and God is invisible.
God gave birth to spirit (the Holy Spirit).
(Spirit gives birth to spirit)
So this is called His “Son”.
But…. IT IS THE ONE GOD.

Man was made in God's image — Mind and Spirit — (first creation = the inner man).

Then man became flesh (was created out of the dust) — and so flesh gave birth to flesh… (I am only thinking out loud with parts of this post!).

February 10, 2013 at 11:09 pm#332498

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2bee

well what is the holy spirit ,it his not a being it s a tool ,

Hi Pierre,

Is your spirit your tool? “Yes” or “No”?

God bless
Ed J

edj

No ,because I am not God and I am human ,but my tools would be in your presence ;my loud voice,my facial looks,my repeating orders to you,if nothing works ,fired.

Hi Pierre,

If you were created in God's image, why is your spirit not your tool?
Saying you are not God is not an answer; so try again.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

God his spirit ,and we are human the interaction with the spirit (mind) is only related to the power of our body in the flesh ,
and the tools we have made are physical ones,
for this men have created authorities by education,accomplishments ,birth,institutions,ect….

so we men in it self have not the same power display as God ,

but GOD his a spirit being ,and it seems that his were the true power lays ,the spirit or will and desires of God are law,no one can stand to prevent God 's will to be accomplished,

so it is natural sins he his a spirit being that he has spirit tools

and the one we seen the most in scriptures is the HOLY SPIRIT uses in many ways for many thing or at will ,

February 10, 2013 at 11:24 pm#332503

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Mike, and T, (I read your posts but will comment here so I am talking to you as well)..

And Jesus was a man.

Am I beginning to get somewhere? No!? lol.

2bb

you going somewhere but it is in wrong direction,

sure God knew long before his son came down from his side to accomplish the works his father ask him to do and that God spell out into the scriptures ,

Jesus was “THE WORD OF GOD” that came down to earth to give up his human live for the live of Adam sin,so that he could reverse the curse ;through one man dead came and through the second Adam (Christ ) all live,

how much do you have to read before you stop adding or retract from scriptures ???read and believe the scriptures,

Christ says HE COMES FROM ABOVE”, AND HE SAID i WILL RETURN TO MY FATHER “” ONLY ONE CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER “” AND Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

AND;;“Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
Jn 17:2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
Jn 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Jn 17:4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF CHRIST HIMSELF ,DO YOU BELIEVE THEM OR ARE YOU IMPLANT YOUR VERSION OF EVENTS INTO IT

February 10, 2013 at 11:32 pm#332507

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The Holy Spirit is God's own Spirit — just as your Spirit is a part of you, as I have said, and as scripture says. God's Spirit can be SHARED, poured out, etc.

God (The Father) is the mind, and God is invisible.
God gave birth to spirit (the Holy Spirit).
(Spirit gives birth to spirit)
So this is called His “Son”.
But…. IT IS THE ONE GOD.

Man was made in God's image — Mind and Spirit — (first creation = the inner man).

Then man became flesh (was created out of the dust) — and so flesh gave birth to flesh… (I am only thinking out loud with parts of this post!).

2BB

you start to go on your way ,your street,NOT ON GODS WAY NOT ON CHRIST TRAIL BUT ONTO THE WORLD ROAD,

the combination you put together his of your own fabrication ,

putting bits and pieces of mashed scriptures and called your truth ,

this is not the way ,you going have to make your mind and heart up ,either to believe the scriptures as the are written and given by God to us ,or you can go your own way ,without God and his son

February 10, 2013 at 11:34 pm#332509

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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 10 2013,14:33)

Jesus is a man/Son of God (the second Adam).

So then you acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I agree, and so do the scriptures.

Now, if you could only show me the scriptures that teach us that the Holy Spirit is also the Son of God, I might believe you.

Until the time you are able to show those scriptures, I will continue on with my dissection of John 1, doing so with the knowledge that YOU admit Jesus IS the Son of God.

February 10, 2013 at 11:51 pm#332511

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 10 2013,13:13)

Mike …..> did you read the post i posted to you on page 147 if not plaese read it and respond to it lets try to sort this out. No sense getting all hostile brother.

Gene,

How can I NOT get hostile? Have you even been reading the things Ed's been posting? Have you read how he's got me jumping through hoops with his games?

Here's his latest game:

Mike, Paul put the words, “And unto the Son he saith” in the wrong place!”.

Really Ed? Are you saying Paul miswrote Hebrews 1:8?

Mike, I DIDN'T say he MISWROTE IT – you are putting words in my mouth! I said he put certain words in the wrong place!

Come on, Gene. Surely you can see the petty little time consuming GAME he is playing, right? If some author put certain words in the wrong place, wouldn't that be the same exact thing as “MIS-WRITING” the sentence?

I am about done acknowledging Ed for a while. And you're not too far behind him.

Here are the facts, whether you guys choose to accept them or not:

1. Jehovah said there were no elohim besides Him. But then Jehovah Himself called Satan the elohim of Ekron. And He spoke of many other elohim in scriptures – some of whom gather with Him in the “assembly of elohim”.

Therefore, there ARE indeed many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth – just as Paul clealy told us. And when Jehovah says He is the ONLY elohim, He is OBVIOUSLY speaking EMPHATICALLY. He could not possibly be speaking LITERALLY, because we learn about the existence of MANY other elohim in scripture – many of them from Jehovah's own mouth!

2. Likewise, when Jesus says that ONLY God is good, he is OBVIOUSLY speaking EMPHATICALLY. He can't possibly be speaking LITERALLY, or Jesus himself would have to be “bad”. Also, Jesus teaches about certain “good” human beings, and that he himself is the “good shepherd”.

So unless you can call Jesus EVIL, like Kerwin does, you must accept “only God is good” as the EMPHATICAL statement it is.

3. Finally, Jesus IS most definitely called a god in scripture. He is called such in Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 1:8-9, and John 20:28. (I won't bring up John 1:1 and 1:18 right now, because I don't want to use the points I'm trying to prove as proof of themselves.)

Now, I don't have any more time for your and Ed's nonsense on this thread, Gene. You can either accept these things above, or continue to buck against the facts of the matter. I don't really care anymore. I can't FORCE you to believe the clear and obvious truth, so what's the use in me continuing to try?

Now I will continue on with my dissection of John 1.

February 10, 2013 at 11:52 pm#332512

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Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus but the two worked together as one, due to Jesus the mans perfection.

I see you are changing your tune from what you sang before, 2B. You previously said Jesus and the Holy Spirit together made up God's one Son. You said they were “one”.

So now what's your claim? That they are BOTH the “Son of God”, and these TWO Sons of God work together for the greater good?

February 10, 2013 at 11:59 pm#332514

Ed J

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2bee

well what is the holy spirit ,it his not a being it s a tool ,

Hi Pierre,

Is your spirit your tool? “Yes” or “No”?

God bless
Ed J

edj

No ,because I am not God and I am human ,but my tools would be in your presence ;my loud voice,my facial looks,my repeating orders to you,if nothing works ,fired.

Hi Pierre,

If you were created in God's image, why is your spirit not your tool?
Saying you are not God is not an answer; so try again.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

so we men in it self have not the same power display as God ,

but GOD his a spirit being ,and it seems that his were the true power lays ,the spirit or will and desires of God are law,no one can stand to prevent God 's will to be accomplished,

so it is natural sins he his a spirit being that he has spirit tools

and the one we seen the most in scriptures is the HOLY SPIRIT uses in many ways for many thing or at will ,

Hi Pierre,

Thank you for your explanation. When you explain things,
it helps me to understand your view better. So again thanks.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 11, 2013 at 12:03 am#332517

Ed J

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,09:34)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 10 2013,14:33)

Jesus is a man/Son of God (the second Adam).

So then you acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I agree, and so do the scriptures.

Now, if you could only show me the scriptures that teach us that the Holy Spirit is also the Son of God, I might believe you.

Until the time you are able to show those scriptures, I will continue on with my dissection of John 1, doing so with the knowledge that YOU admit Jesus IS the Son of God.

Hi Mike,

That's in the “Shepherd of Hermas”; one of the books of the Apocrypha.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 11, 2013 at 12:12 am#332518

Ed J

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,09:51)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 10 2013,13:13)

Mike …..> did you read the post i posted to you on page 147 if not plaese read it and respond to it lets try to sort this out. No sense getting all hostile brother.

Gene,

How can I NOT get hostile? Have you even been reading the things Ed's been posting? Have you read how he's got me jumping through hoops with his games?

Here's his latest game:

Mike, Paul put the words, “And unto the Son he saith” in the wrong place!”.

Really Ed? Are you saying Paul miswrote Hebrews 1:8?

Mike, I DIDN'T say he MISWROTE IT – you are putting words in my mouth! I said he put certain words in the wrong place!

I am about done acknowledging Ed for a while. And you're not too far behind him.

Hi Mike,

You really mean misquote, do you not?
Running away is really your only option.
Either that, or find out where we agree.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 11, 2013 at 12:14 am#332519

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So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:

1. John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”. (Many expert Greek scholars)

2. Jesus is called a god in scripture. (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)

3. Jesus was with God before the world began. (John 17:5)

4. All things were said to have been made through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)

5. In Jesus was life. (John 5:26)

6. Jesus was the “light of the world”, and the “light of life”. (John 8:12)

7. Jesus was the light that shined in the darkness. (Matthew 4:16, 2 Corinthians 4:6)

Moving on…………….

6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

Who did John come to testify about?

John 1
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said………..

31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”

34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.

John 3:26
They came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan—the one you testified about—well, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him.”

John 5
32 There is another that bears witness about me, and I know that the witness which he bears about me is true.

33 You have dispatched men to John, and he has borne witness to the truth.

36 But I have the witness greater than that of John…………

Is there any question as to who John the Baptist came to prepare the way for and testify about? Of course, this one was none other than Jesus Christ, our Lord.

So once again, the very things said about “the Word” in John 1 are said about “Jesus” in many other scriptures. The comparisons are really piling up, guys. And I'm only about half way there.

February 11, 2013 at 12:16 am#332521

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,17:12)

Hi Mike,

You really mean misquote, do you not?
Running away is really your only option.

No Ed,

Since the words “And unto the Son he saith” are not even IN the Psalm Paul was quoting, the term “miswrote” is correct.

And I don't “run away” from you. I willingly walk away from your nonsense.

February 11, 2013 at 1:09 am#332553

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Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus but the two worked together as one, due to Jesus the mans perfection.

I see you are changing your tune from what you sang before, 2B. You previously said Jesus and the Holy Spirit together made up God's one Son. You said they were “one”.

So now what's your claim? That they are BOTH the “Son of God”, and these TWO Sons of God work together for the greater good?

Mike,

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You previously said Jesus and the Holy Spirit together made up God's one Son.

I never said that.

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You said they were “one”.

I said that they were “as if one”.
Big difference.

Two people in perfect harmony can work “as if one”.
The Holy Spirit is the “eternal” son of God,
Whereas, Jesus became the son of God.

BUT,… here is where you will get confused……. There is only one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, correct? So, the Holy Spirit/Son of God IS God's own Spirit and so is a part of the one God, and then there is the man Jesus the Christ (Anointed).

This is eternal life them taking in knowledge of you the only true God (made up of Father and Son (Holy Spirit)) and Jesus Christ who you have sent (out into the world).

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So now what's your claim? That they are BOTH the “Son of God”, and these TWO Sons of God work together for the greater good?

Yes.
I have always said this Mike, but you misunderstood,

February 11, 2013 at 1:12 am#332555

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Mike, Jesus did not existed until His conception on Earth, whereas, the Holy Spirit has always existed.

February 11, 2013 at 1:13 am#332556

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Excuse my grammar mistake!

February 11, 2013 at 1:28 am#332563

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Mike, Jesus did not existed until His conception on Earth, whereas, the Holy Spirit has always existed.

2bb

show me in scriptures that this what you say is true

you have not yet answered my quotes;

it is not what you believe that counts but what scriptures are saying ;

many believed that Joseph was Jesus father BUT WAS HE

if CHRIST DID NOT HAVE A HUMAN FATHER THEN HOW COULD TRULY HIS MOTHER CONCEIVE HIM IN THE SAME MANNER JUST LIKE SHE WOULD HAVE DONE IF SHE WOULD HAVE BECOME PREGNANT WITH A HUMAN HUSBAND ?

TO DAY WE CALL THOSE A SURROGATE MOTHER ,

THIS WAS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE THE HUMAN RACE OF THE SIN OF ADAM ” NO MAN BORN OF HUMAN PARENTS COULD PAY THAT PRICE ,

IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND JESUS CHRIST WAS ,HIS AND STILL HIS THE SON OF GOD “THE WORD”

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT YOU HAVE NOT COME TO KNOW YOUR GOD OR HIS SON ,AMEN

February 11, 2013 at 2:42 am#332577