In the Beginning

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,03:41)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:31) Hi Mike, EL-o-heem in that verse translates to English as gods; are you saying this is untrue? Ed, 1.  Did Jehovah say He was the ONLY elohim?  YES or NO? 2.  Was Jehovah LITERALLY the ONLY elohim?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

You can reject my explanations all you want, and that doesn't
change the fact of what I said being true ; but OK I'll play your way:

1) Yes
2) Yes

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,03:41) Ed, 1.  Did Jehovah say He was the ONLY elohim?  YES or NO? 2.  Was Jehovah LITERALLY the ONLY elohim?  YES or NO? Hi Mike, 1) Yes 2) Yes

Does anyone else here agree with Ed's answer to #2, which blatantly contradicts MANY scriptures?

Kerwin?  Do you?

2B?  How about you?

Gene?

Pierre?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:54)

Hi Mike, I told you the answer, if you don't accept it so be it.

And what exactly was that answer, Ed?

1. YES, Jesus is a good person?

2. YES, Jesus is a good person because he actually IS God?

3. NO, Jesus is NOT a good person?

Which was your answer? You have played so many games now that I can't be sure what the answer was.

Please, in the name of scriptural truth, just ANSWER THE QUESTION IN A DIRECT AND CLEAR MANNER – like an adult would.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:48)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:16) Hebrews 1 AKJV 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: “Thy throne, O God (YHVH), is for ever and ever:

I noticed you left out the part where Jehovah said those words TO His Son.

Why would Jehovah say TO HIS SON, “Your throne, O Jehovah, is forever and ever”?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,03:55)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:16) Hebrews 1 AKJV 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: “Thy throne, O God (YHVH), is for ever and ever:   I noticed you left out the part where Jehovah said those words TO His Son. Why would Jehovah say TO HIS SON, “Your throne, O Jehovah, is forever and ever”? Ed, you are shameless when it comes to purposely mangling common sense sentences in order to force them around your own doctrine.  You do the same with John 1, where you claim that the subject just ups and changes from the Word to Jesus, with no hint of such a thing in John's words. You also do it with many other scriptures.  (See my last post to you in the “ISM” thread, where I've just refuted yet another ludicrous explanation of yours.) Look, if you want to play games with the scriptures, and PRETEND that simple and clear sentences mean totally ludicrous things, I can't stop you.   At any rate, I will suffice to say that Jesus IS most definitely called a god in more than one scripture, and if you would rather re-arrange the words of the scriptures in asinine ways than to accept this scriptural fact, I can't stop you.  But neither is there any reason for me to go on with you in this discussion.  For you have once again become the boy who insists the grass is blue and the sky is green – despite all evidence to the contrary.  And as you know from previous discussions, the minute you become that little boy is the minute I walk away from you. 2B and Kerwin both accept the fact that Jesus is called “god” in scriptures.  You and Gene can fight reality all you want, but I'm not wasting any more of my time on you two in this matter. Anyway, now that it is settled with all the thinking people of this thread that Jesus is called a god in scripture, we can either move on with my dissection of John 1, or we can hammer this “Holy Spirit is the Son of God” thing home, until we are all convinced it has been solidly and scripturally refuted.  Which one shall we do 2B?  Kerwin?

Hi Mike, (got any other so-called proof texts?)

I explained that you are doing what others say what Thomas didn't say in John 20:28.

AND I also explained why “Shaool” mistakenly put it in the wrong place:  
Note: I put “to the son he saith” where it belongs in the Psalms quote.

              Shaool was quoting Psalms 45:6-7:

“Thy throne, O God (YHVH), is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
 (And to the son he saith)Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God,
 hath anointed thee(Mäh-shē-äkh) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Psalms 45:6-7)

This can be seen as proof that YHVH switches between subject and object
in the same verse; REMEMBER – YOU DISPUTED WITH ME BEFORE ON THIS?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

So Paul, who was guided along by Jesus and the Holy Spirit during his writings, mistakenly wrote “To the Son he saith” in the wrong place?

Sorry Ed, but that lame claim is below even you!

I have wasted enough of my time on you concerning this subject. I await your response to my last posts in the “ISM” thread.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,03:41) Ed, 1.  Did Jehovah say He was the ONLY elohim?  YES or NO? 2.  Was Jehovah LITERALLY the ONLY elohim?  YES or NO? Hi Mike, 1) Yes 2) Yes Does anyone else here agree with Ed's answer to #2, which blatantly contradicts MANY scriptures? Kerwin?  Do you? 2B?  How about you? Gene? Pierre?

Hi Mike,

He says: “is there any EL-o-heem besides me?” NO!
    Not the specific words “only EL-o-heem”!

I thought you would picked up on that,
but perhaps I gave you too much credit.

Anyways you should now see that limiting
ones answers presents additional problems.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

More games, Ed?

Are you claiming that Jehovah claimed to be the ONLY elohim, and then in the next breath trying to get out of it by saying, “That's not the EXACT words He said!”?

Besides, you already answered “YES” to the first question!

It is the second question in which you blatantly contradict many scriptures. Care to change your answer to the truthful one?

[mikeboll64]

Does anybody else here believe Ed, that Paul “miswrote” Hebrews 1:8, and put the words “And to the Son he saith” in the wrong place?

Does anybody else here think it is not only irrational, but also arrogant for Ed to make such a claim – as if HE knows better than Paul, who actually wrote the words?

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,03:55)

Why would Jehovah say TO HIS SON, “Your throne, O Jehovah, is forever and ever”?

Mike …..> because Jehovah who is God which is Spirit was “IN” his SON Jesus. Working through Him with his seven Spirit and seven Powers to establish  the Kingdom of God one this earth.

Here is another one for you Mike to flounder around with,   the LORD (YAHWEH) said unto Davids lord “Jesus” sit on on right hand until (now notice Mike carefully) I (YAHWEH) our only God Make you enemy's Your footstool. Now ask you self has that happened Yet No but it will when Jesus comes back with All seven Spirits and All seven Powers to execute Yahweh or GODS Judgments in this earth.  (i added only true God to infancies my point)

It will be God the Father “IN” Jesus and the Kingdom will be GOD”S Kingdom and Jesus will simply be the instrument whom the Father will bring it about through. So therefore he say to the Son Thy Kingdom “O” GOD is an everlasting Kingdom.

Don't you believe Jesus when he said “who ever has seen me has seen the Father”? If you were to give  completely over to God the Father your complete Will and He were to tell you to do something  and “EMPOWER” YOU to do it, tell me, is it You doing it or The Father “IN” you doing it?. You are going along with what is working “IN” you. Even so it is with Jesus our lord. But beyond that our “BROTHER”.

Mike, you stand on us or Jesus being a God , is exactly like this one I will give you From Scripture. Are you putting forth what he put forth.

Gen 3:5….>  For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then you eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Did Satan Here lie or tell the truth? Was he using this deception to cause Eve to sin? I believe so.

Mike it seem you agree with Satan that we are gods. Nothing could be further from the truth in my opinion , all so-called gods are false gods because there is “ONLY “ONE” TRUE GOD all others then are “FALSE or UNTRUE Gods.  If God is “IN” a person His Presence is there by way of his Spirit, But that in no way to me makes that person a GOD or a Little god either , but it does make GOD'S PRESENCE there on that i agree. God Presence is “IN” all creation but that does not make all creation GODS or Little gods either brother.

I will give you there is a similitude to God, in the sense we understand good and evil , but is that a criteria for establishing a god person.  I highly doubt it Mike>

peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene

[mikeboll64]

2B, Kerwin, and Gene:

Are you guys seeing this?  Surely, sitting outside looking in, you can see that Ed is going to great and asinine lengths to FORCE his own “truth” into the scriptures.

Surely you are able to see that this is just not right.

Now you know how I often feel when I read YOUR posts – in which YOU GUYS also try the same, lame things.

Sitting at the outside, looking in, it is easy to spot these “wishful thinking” twistings of scripture.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:06)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:54) Hi Mike, I told you the answer, if you don't accept it so be it. And what exactly was that answer, Ed?  1.  YES, Jesus is a good person? 2.  YES, Jesus is a good person because he actually IS God? 3.  NO, Jesus is NOT a good person? Which was your answer?  You have played so many games now that I can't be sure what the answer was. Please, in the name of scriptural truth, just ANSWER THE QUESTION IN A DIRECT AND CLEAR MANNER – like an adult would.

Hi Mike, here is my answer again:

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,02:29)

2) In Genesis, “GOD” calls his creation “Good”. When Jesus said only “GOD” is good – he was inferring to He Himself taking 'Lucifer down, because of what Jesus composition or makeup in the flesh was: Jesus had the entirety of the GodHead housed in his being, us, and also 'Lucifer'.  Read more at this link:   (Link)

1) Yes, I agree
2) See (above) quoted answer.
3) False

1 is correct
2 is partially correct
3 is False

I give direct answers to “all” of your truth seeking questions, it is
INSTEAD YOU PLAYING GAMES by attempt to limit my answers.
Don't blame me for you not getting anywhere by this practice.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:07)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:16) Hebrews 1 AKJV 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: “Thy throne, O God (YHVH), is for ever and ever:   I noticed you left out the part where Jehovah said those words TO His Son. Why would Jehovah say TO HIS SON, “Your throne, O Jehovah, is forever and ever”?

Hi Mike,

See my previous post, which explains that Shaool put that in the wrong spot.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Okay Ed.

Then you DO believe Jesus was a good person. Why didn't you just say that?

As for your claim that he was good ONLY BECAUSE the “Godhead” (whatever that is) dwelt in him:

Did Jesus say ONLY God is good? Or did he say that God AND those in whom God dwells are good? Which one?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:20)

So Paul, who was guided along by Jesus and the Holy Spirit during his writings, mistakenly wrote “To the Son he saith” in the wrong place?     Sorry Ed, but that lame claim is below even you! I have wasted enough of my time on you concerning this subject.  I await your response to my last posts in the “ISM” thread.

Hi Mike,

What about the scribes of king David getting the cause of Uzzah's death wrong?
Touching “The Ark” of God was the cause of Uzzah's death.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:28)

More games, Ed?   Are you claiming that Jehovah claimed to be the ONLY elohim, and then in the next breath trying to get out of it by saying, “That's not the EXACT words He said!”?   Besides, you already answered “YES” to the first question! It is the second question in which you blatantly contradict many scriptures.  Care to change your answer to the truthful one?

Hi Mike,

I explained why it was the correct answer, take it or leave it.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:30)

Does anybody else here believe Ed, that Paul “miswrote” Hebrews 1:8, and put the words “And to the Son he saith” in the wrong place? Does anybody else here think it is not only irrational, but also arrogant for Ed to make such a claim – as if HE knows better than Paul, who actually wrote the words?

Bearing false witness is a sin Mike!

I DIDN'T SAY SHAOOL MISWROTE HEBREWS;

quot trying to put words in my mouth
which I clearly didn't say.

What I instead said was:

he inserted  “and to the son he saith”  into the wrong part of his Psalm 45:6-7 quote.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:37)

Okay Ed. Then you DO believe Jesus was a good person.  Why didn't you just say that? As for your claim that he was good ONLY BECAUSE the “Godhead” (whatever that is) dwelt in him:

Hi Mike,

That's not what I said, once again: It was because of Jesus bringing Lucifer down.

Once Lucifer was extracted from the GodHead at Jesus' death, the not good claim was no longer is applicable.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:37)

Okay Ed. Did Jesus say ONLY God is good?  Or did he say that God AND those in whom God dwells are good?  Which one?

Hi Mike,

Do you think that those God dwells in are really not good?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,05:37)

Okay Ed. Did Jesus say ONLY God is good?  Or did he say that God AND those in whom God dwells are good?  Which one?

The limiting answers game will never help you to see truth.

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