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I can see that this scripture has kinda put you off track.
Jude 1:25 To the only wise **GOD OUR SAVIOUR**, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Isaiah 43:11.
I even I am the Lord ,and beside me there is **NO SAVIOUR**.SO WHO IS JUDE SPEAKING OF?
Wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,21:50) I can see that this scripture has kinda put you off track. Jude 1:25 To the only wise **GOD OUR SAVIOUR**, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Isaiah 43:11.
I even I am the Lord ,and beside me there is **NO SAVIOUR**.SO WHO IS JUDE SPEAKING OF?
Wakeup.
Wakeup……..It is God the Father Jude is speaking of, because Scripture say that God alone is our Savior, He is the only “TRUE” Savior that exists, and whether He does it through Moses as in Israels case or Sampson, of Joshua, or Jesus Makes not difference it still is God himself doing it. By His own Powers, even by his Power he brings us to Jesus , by his power alone he raises the dead, no matter who he uses or choses to work through it is still Him who is doing the works.'For the Son of man cand do “NOTHING” of HIMSELF , but the Father who is “IN” He does the “WORKS”.
Jesus himself never himself did any miracle, it was all done by God himself, according to scriptures.
peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Wakeup
Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.The Savior is God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Yahweh is both God and Lord. Jesus is the Lord of lords!
Acts 5:30The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. 31God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 25 2013,16:20) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2013,12:52) 2bee that video of yours stinks ,if you think that I listen to that crap ,your are wrong,if you don't believe it why do you send this garbage to me
you must think that i am now senile 
T, do you know how to listen to something 'objectively'?You see that there are some errors in the individuals understanding, according to you, but there may also be some key points that are worth serious consideration.
2beQuote T, do you know how to listen to something 'objectively'? every men that comes on camera has some good references but it is used to deceive not to instruct in truth ,
now their are millions of them do I have to give them all consideration
if I do that I would have NO TIME LEFT TO REALLY STUDY THE SCRIPTURES,and this would be fatal to me ,
many people like your self try to make God as you figure he should be to you, BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY OF THE TRUTH ,THAT IS MEN WAY ,THE WAY OF THE WORLD ,AND THAT WILL END UP IN DEAD,
every religion as some truth in it ,but it uses it to attract and deceive its members ,just as Satan did with Eve ,
THE YEAST ,OF THE PHARISEES MAKING PROZELITES
TWICE AS WORSE THAN THEMSELVES ,Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2013,02:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,21:50) I can see that this scripture has kinda put you off track. Jude 1:25 To the only wise **GOD OUR SAVIOUR**, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Isaiah 43:11.
I even I am the Lord ,and beside me there is **NO SAVIOUR**.SO WHO IS JUDE SPEAKING OF?
Wakeup.
Wakeup……..It is God the Father Jude is speaking of, because Scripture say that God alone is our Savior, He is the only “TRUE” Savior that exists, and whether He does it through Moses as in Israels case or Sampson, of Joshua, or Jesus Makes not difference it still is God himself doing it. By His own Powers, even by his Power he brings us to Jesus , by his power alone he raises the dead, no matter who he uses or choses to work through it is still Him who is doing the works.'For the Son of man cand do “NOTHING” of HIMSELF , but the Father who is “IN” He does the “WORKS”.
Jesus himself never himself did any miracle, it was all done by God himself, according to scriptures.
peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Gene B.Lets praise the Most high God to reveal that to us.
Amen.wakeup.
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2013,03:07) Wakeup
Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.The Savior is God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Yahweh is both God and Lord. Jesus is the Lord of lords!
Acts 5:30The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. 31God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Lightenup.I can not disagree with that.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,03:11) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 25 2013,16:20) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2013,12:52) 2bee that video of yours stinks ,if you think that I listen to that crap ,your are wrong,if you don't believe it why do you send this garbage to me
you must think that i am now senile
T, do you know how to listen to something 'objectively'?You see that there are some errors in the individuals understanding, according to you, but there may also be some key points that are worth serious consideration.
2beQuote T, do you know how to listen to something 'objectively'? every men that comes on camera has some good references but it is used to deceive not to instruct in truth ,
now their are millions of them do I have to give them all consideration
if I do that I would have NO TIME LEFT TO REALLY STUDY THE SCRIPTURES,and this would be fatal to me ,
many people like your self try to make God as you figure he should be to you, BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY OF THE TRUTH ,THAT IS MEN WAY ,THE WAY OF THE WORLD ,AND THAT WILL END UP IN DEAD,
every religion as some truth in it ,but it uses it to attract and deceive its members ,just as Satan did with Eve ,
THE YEAST ,OF THE PHARISEES MAKING PROZELITES
TWICE AS WORSE THAN THEMSELVES ,
Terra.Yes; we have to be careful with those videos,they can be a stumbling block.
Its fine to watch them if you have the knowledge already. But if not, it can be leading us to a diffrent path of thinking.Have full knowledge of the scriptures first.
wakeup.
wup
Quote Its fine to watch them if you have the knowledge already. But if not, it can be leading us to a diffrent path of thinking.Have full knowledge of the scriptures first. if you have truth in God knowledge WHY WOULD YOU CHOSE TO GO AND SEE THOSE VIDEOS
I can not find a reason do you know one Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2013,08:20) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2013,19:07) Through these men particularly the hope was made flesh, the dream came true.
Well, I admit I never thought you'd even find such an odd statement.Now tell me, in what way was the hope “made flesh”, Kerwin?
I understand it as, “the hope we had now had a human face to it – the faces of these particular men”.
How do YOU understand the hope being made flesh?
Mike,What you say sounds good.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2013,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2013,12:43) It is easy to see that the only begotten is the Spirit and Jesus is the Chief of those that he has revealed/declared God too.
Oh brother! Is anyone else seeing this? Kerwin is making his case that the HOLY SPIRIT is the “only begotten Son of God”!Kerwin, there is not one thing in those scriptures you quoted that would lead ANY sensible person to believe what you're stating.
My God, man! How FAR will you go to FORCE the scriptures into teaching what you WANT them to teach?
To ALL:
WHO, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, IS THE “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD?
My answer is “Jesus Christ”.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2013,12:43) Galatians 1:16
King James Version (KJV)16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Is Paul speaking of Jesus when he states “Son in me” or is he speaking of the Spirit?
NETNotes add this footnote about the word “in”:
tn Or “to me”; the Greek preposition ἐν (en) can mean either, depending on the context.Paul is OBVIOUSLY speaking about Jesus.
1 John 4
9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him.10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
Kerwin, the only begotten Son of God died as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Who did that for us? The Holy Spirit? Or Jesus Christ?
It is clear to all that you KNOW “the Word” is the one who is the “only begotten Son of God”. But you don't WANT “the Word” to be Jesus, because then you'll have to believe all the other things said in John 1 about “the Word/Jesus”. But you have really gone off the deep end with this one, Kerwin.
I am happy that you are finally realizing that all the words said in John 1 about the Word, are simultaneously being said about God's only begotten Son.
Perhaps, once you regain your senses, and remember that Jesus is CLEARLY the “only begotten Son of God”, you'll still remember the other part – that all things said about “the Word” in John 1 are said about “Jesus” – because they are one and the same.
Mike,I used logical reason and you have not pointed out a flaw in it. You do make the assumption that Jehovah cannot have one who is an only begotten Son in one way while having a second that is his only begotten Son in another way. That is why I mentioned Isaac who is the only begotten son of Abraham, by the promise of God.
Atoning sacrifice is not what the KJV and other versions have they use “propitiation” instead. It means “to gain or regain the favor or goodwill of”.
John writes ” that we might live through him'
We are taught to:
Galatians 5:25
King James Version (KJV)25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Those who walk in the Spirit appease God.
T,
I have only watched about three videos since getting the Internet, so what are you talking about! (My Internet speed is slow (53Kbps)).
I believed all manor of things concerning the Son and then I prayed and asked the question “who is, or who was Jesus?' and the first thing that came into my mind was “Jesus is the Holy Spirit” and so I 'Googled' it, and that is how I come across that video. I did not agree with everything as I could also see that Jesus was a man in the flesh too. So then, bit by bit and over time, I began to understand, and I am still only beginning to understand.
We are not alone in our beliefs, they are ancient, though not heard of so much today.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 26 2013,09:39) T, I have only watched about three videos since getting the Internet, so what are you talking about! (My Internet speed is slow (53Kbps)).
I believed all manor of things concerning the Son and then I prayed and asked the question “who is, or who was Jesus?' and the first thing that came into my mind was “Jesus is the Holy Spirit” and so I 'Googled' it, and that is how I come across that video. I did not agree with everything as I could also see that Jesus was a man in the flesh too. So then, bit by bit and over time, I began to understand, and I am still only beginning to understand.
We are not alone in our beliefs, they are ancient, though not heard of so much today.
Hi 2Besee,Watch this video. I started a thread on it here… (Link)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 26 2013,04:39) T, I have only watched about three videos since getting the Internet, so what are you talking about! (My Internet speed is slow (53Kbps)).
I believed all manor of things concerning the Son and then I prayed and asked the question “who is, or who was Jesus?' and the first thing that came into my mind was “Jesus is the Holy Spirit” and so I 'Googled' it, and that is how I come across that video. I did not agree with everything as I could also see that Jesus was a man in the flesh too. So then, bit by bit and over time, I began to understand, and I am still only beginning to understand.
We are not alone in our beliefs, they are ancient, though not heard of so much today.
2BEwhat you and me or any other person may say or think does not matter ,what matters is what GOD and Christ have said and written ,
so scriptures says :Christ his THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD HIS FATHER ,IF YOU SAY THAT IT IS NOT SO ; YOU ARE A LIAR SAYS SCRIPTURES AND NOT OF GOD ,
SO IT IS YOUR DECISION,or mine or anyone that says to believe in Christ
T,
When have I ever said that Jesus was not the begotten Son of God?
Get your facts straight please,
Thank you.T, does the fact that Jesus came in the flesh and that the Holy Spirit was in Him scare you?
Who is the antichrist but He denies the Father and Son and He who denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2013,15:13)
So then “the Word”, who became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten, could not possibly have been the Holy Spirit, right?Mike,
Kewin has answered this:Quote You do make the assumption that Jehovah cannot have one who is an only begotten Son in one way while having a second that is his only begotten Son in another way. Also, I did another study on the word 'begotten' not long ago, I will try and find it if you want
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 25 2013,03:53) You said to me that I did not answer your post on the scriptures that you presented. Mike, I have and I did…………
I'm sorry. I didn't realize that 1 Cor 8:6 was the ONLY scripture in my questions. It seems to me I asked also about Col 1:16, Jude 1:25, and Hebrews 1:2.But like I said AFTER that post: Don't worry about it for now. All these points will resurface in due time.
Right now, I need to keep things very short and to the point with you.
Right now, I'm awaiting your answer to only one question.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2013,03:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2013,07:44) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2013,18:44) Notice Scripture calls the spirit of a man, man.
The word “man” is genitive, Kerwin. It is correctly translated into English as “of man”. Or, more accurately, “who AMONG man” – as the NET and NIV translate it.
Mike,Who among man?
The one among man is the spirit of a man.
The spirit of a man is among the group man.
Yes Kerwin, “who among man”.It means, “Who, among all the millions of MEN living in the earth, really knows any particular man except that man's OWN spirit inside of him?”
Get it? Who, FROM AMONG MEN, really truly knows another man? Only each man's spirit TRULY knows that man.
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