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The Word was in Jesus, just as in Revelation, the Word of God was on a white Horse, and His ROBE (This is Jesus) was dipped in blood.
'To all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God'
Name,
ὄνομα, ατος, τό
onoma,
a name, authority, cause, character, fame, reputation.A lot of people have the name Jesus. are we to believe in them, just because they have that name? Of course not.
It is not only the name, it is the power behind the name, it is the meaning of the name, and the meaning is, Yah saves.
First we know Jesus, and then God saves us through knowing Jesus.
Then we know the Father.
The Father is love, firstly, and word, and healing…. salvation…. hope…. meaning…. trust…. power. But it says that in the last days, men will have a form of Godly devotion, proving false to it's power.
Jesus and the words, the logos, that He speaks, they are spirit and they are life, believe Him.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,07:18) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,05:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,03:57) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,03:46) T, Quote K how can words become flesh
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
You are answering your own question as the prophets merely spoke the Word while Jesus lives it as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Khow can a man live WORDS
why are you so blind and tell that Santa Clauss is true and go through roof stacks on Chrismas night, with his sled and deer'sa man can follow the will spell out in words ,but THE “WORD” OF GOD seems more like a name than written words or even verbal ,
T,Basically Jesus lives by the Word because he did not sin even though tempted as we are. God's Word is more than that as all things in heaven and on earth obey it. When God said “let there be light” there was light. Jesus is a channel by which God does his wonders.
Kwhat is it that you call WORD ,??? is it the scriptures or the law ,or both
? or something else
T,Scripture and Law are an intertwined part of the Word. The best definition I can give is a pale shadow of what the Word is.
God spoke his Word and all that is came to be, he spoke again and an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush, he spoke once more and Noah warned of the coming Flood. When Satan sought to oppress Job he could not not do so until God choosing to suffer it, spoke his Word. God will speak and the old will pass away and the new come to be.
The Word has all authority that is in heaven and on earth and God gave it to Jesus.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,04:01) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,03:46) T, Quote K how can words become flesh
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
You are answering your own question as the prophets merely spoke the Word while Jesus lives it as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Kyou have ten to admit that Christ was prior to his baptism the son of God and so was the word of God into all he ever say during his live on earth right
and the holy spirit was in him all of the time right
T,Jesus was a son of God's Spirit from the point he was capable of choosing sin. The proof is that he always revealed the fruits of God's Spirit.
He was foreknew and appointed to be the Heir and so Son of God before creation.
Mike,
verse 17 has the word “for” in it which connects it to verses 1-16. I am too tired to answer your question with clarity of thought and will try to get back to you at a better time.
Note: Grammar and spelling correction.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,17:51) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,07:18) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,05:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,03:57) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,03:46) T, Quote K how can words become flesh
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
You are answering your own question as the prophets merely spoke the Word while Jesus lives it as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Khow can a man live WORDS
why are you so blind and tell that Santa Clauss is true and go through roof stacks on Chrismas night, with his sled and deer'sa man can follow the will spell out in words ,but THE “WORD” OF GOD seems more like a name than written words or even verbal ,
T,Basically Jesus lives by the Word because he did not sin even though tempted as we are. God's Word is more than that as all things in heaven and on earth obey it. When God said “let there be light” there was light. Jesus is a channel by which God does his wonders.
Kwhat is it that you call WORD ,??? is it the scriptures or the law ,or both
? or something else
T,Scripture and Law are an intertwined part of the Word. The best definition I can give is a pale shadow of what the Word is.
God spoke his Word and all that is came to be, he spoke again and an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush, he spoke once more and Noah warned of the coming Flood. When Satan sought to oppress Job he could not not do so until God choosing to suffer it, spoke his Word. God will speak and the old will pass away and the new come to be.
The Word has all authority that is in heaven and on earth and God gave it to Jesus.
KEx 19:3 Then Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel:
Ex 19:4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself.
Ex 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine,
Ex 19:6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”Ex 20:1 And God spoke all these words:
Ex 20:2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
Ex 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.Ex 24:12 The LORD said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone, with the law and commands I have written for their instruction.”
I do not see were any scriptures are saying that the Words of God are dreams ,spirits, yes they are meaning words in deed, but I do not understand from scriptures what you kerwin are saying ,of cause without your own personal added wording ,
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,23:38) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,17:51) T, Scripture and Law are an intertwined part of the Word. The best definition I can give is a pale shadow of what the Word is.
God spoke his Word and all that is came to be, he spoke again and an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush, he spoke once more and Noah warned of the coming Flood. When Satan sought to oppress Job he could not not do so until God choosing to suffer it, spoke his Word. God will speak and the old will pass away and the new come to be.
The Word has all authority that is in heaven and on earth and God gave it to Jesus.
KEx 19:3 Then Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel:
Ex 19:4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself.
Ex 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine,
Ex 19:6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”Ex 20:1 And God spoke all these words:
Ex 20:2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
Ex 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.Ex 24:12 The LORD said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone, with the law and commands I have written for their instruction.”
I do not see were any scriptures are saying that the Words of God are dreams ,spirits, yes they are meaning words in deed, but I do not understand from scriptures what you kerwin are saying ,of cause without your own personal added wording ,
T,I did not claim the Word of God is a dream, or even a spirit, though he is spoken in dreams at night; even as he was spoken to Solomon in 1 Kings 3:5.
The dream itself only occurs because God gives his Word to let it become. Some dreams come from Satan and his angels and some from Michael and his angels, but the Word has authority over them all.
The angel appeared in the fiery bush because the Word commanded him to so. He spoke the Word as he was carried along by the Spirit because the Word instructed him to.
The Word has all authority in heaven and on earth because even those in rebellion must obey its dictates.
Jesus has been given the authority of the Word.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,18:58) Mike, verse 17 has the word “for” in it which connects it to verses 1-16. I am too tired to answer your question with clarity of thought and will try to get back to you at a better time.
Note: Grammar and spelling correction.
Mike,I do not know how to answer your question as verse 17 is not directly speaking of either the Word or the Word made flesh. It does join all the words in John 1:1-16 to the Word that was given through Mosses and the grace and truth that comes through Jesus.
Here are 3 definitions of the English word “for” from Merriam-Webster that seem most applicable.
Quote a —used as a function word to indicate purpose {a grant for studying medicine}
b —used as a function word to indicate an intended goal {left for home} {acted for the best}
c —used as a function word to indicate the object or recipient of a perception, desire, or activity {now for a good rest} {run for your life} {an eye for a bargain}Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2013,01:14) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,23:38) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,17:51) T, Scripture and Law are an intertwined part of the Word. The best definition I can give is a pale shadow of what the Word is.
God spoke his Word and all that is came to be, he spoke again and an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush, he spoke once more and Noah warned of the coming Flood. When Satan sought to oppress Job he could not not do so until God choosing to suffer it, spoke his Word. God will speak and the old will pass away and the new come to be.
The Word has all authority that is in heaven and on earth and God gave it to Jesus.
KEx 19:3 Then Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel:
Ex 19:4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself.
Ex 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine,
Ex 19:6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”Ex 20:1 And God spoke all these words:
Ex 20:2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
Ex 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.Ex 24:12 The LORD said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone, with the law and commands I have written for their instruction.”
I do not see were any scriptures are saying that the Words of God are dreams ,spirits, yes they are meaning words in deed, but I do not understand from scriptures what you kerwin are saying ,of cause without your own personal added wording ,
T,I did not claim the Word of God is a dream, or even a spirit, though he is spoken in dreams at night; even as he was spoken to Solomon in 1 Kings 3:5.
The dream itself only occurs because God gives his Word to let it become. Some dreams come from Satan and his angels and some from Michael and his angels, but the Word has authority over them all.
The angel appeared in the fiery bush because the Word commanded him to so. He spoke the Word as he was carried along by the Spirit because the Word instructed him to.
The Word has all authority in heaven and on earth because even those in rebellion must obey its dictates.
Jesus has been given the authority of the Word.
KQuote T, Jesus was a son of God's Spirit from the point he was capable of choosing sin. The proof is that he always revealed the fruits of God's Spirit.
He was foreknew and appointed to be the Heir and so Son of God before creation.
Quote T, I did not claim the Word of God is a dream, or even a spirit,
what then are you claiming
?Quote When Satan sought to oppress Job he could not not do so until God choosing to suffer it, spoke his Word. God will speak and the old will pass away and the new come to be. yes but this is God himself that speaks ,but what about wen it is someone he choses to speak his words ,then what
Quote Some dreams come from Satan and his angels and some from Michael and his angels, but the Word has authority over them all.
where in scriptures can I find this?Quote angels and some from Michael and his angels, but the Word has authority over them all. The angel appeared in the fiery bush because the Word commanded him to so. He spoke the Word as he was carried along by the Spirit because the Word instructed him to.
The Word has all authority in heaven and on earth because even those in rebellion must obey its dictates.
Jesus has been given the authority of the Word.
first;sinse when scriptures are saying that Christ has authority over Gods words
secondly ; were does it says that all what God says has full authority
even if they can read word for word in the bible that Christ is the WORD in john 1.1, these people still ignores the truth.
may God open your eyes.T,
To answer your points in the order they are written.
The Spirit reveals the Word which is how it teaches all things. The fruit of the Spirit is the Word.
The Spirit grant varius types of authority of the Word according to the Word. These authorities are called gifts.
Jesus has received the greatest authority.
The wars between Satan and his angels and Michael and his angels are written of in Revealations. Jeremiah 23:32 and Zechariah 10:2 speak of false dreams. False prophecy is the work of Satan.
Jesus has authority over God's Spirit, and that reaveals God's Word.
It is a theme of Scripture that God's Word has authority over all things. Jesus has the authority to command demons.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,19:28) Mike, no, now it is talking about JESUS.
Okay 2B,I can now see where you and I go off track from each other, and I will address this concern in a later post, for I have something to do right now.
Final verse:
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the only begotten god (or son – depending on which Greek ms you use), who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.In verse 18, is John still talking about the Word from verse one? YES or NO?
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,14:18) Mike, I do not know how to answer your question as verse 17 is not directly speaking of either the Word or the Word made flesh. It does join all the words in John 1:1-16 to the Word that was given through Mosses and the grace and truth that comes through Jesus.
Here are 3 definitions of the English word “for” from Merriam-Webster that seem most applicable.
Quote a —used as a function word to indicate purpose {a grant for studying medicine}
b —used as a function word to indicate an intended goal {left for home} {acted for the best}
c —used as a function word to indicate the object or recipient of a perception, desire, or activity {now for a good rest} {run for your life} {an eye for a bargain}
Kerwin,Notice my use of the word “for” in my post to 2B above this one. You have omitted one of the most common uses of the word “for” in your list. The word “for” commonly acts as the word “because”, as it does in my post.
Could it be that it has that meaning in verse 17?
I have more to say about your phrase “the Word made flesh”, but it will have to wait.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2013,02:04) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,19:28) Mike, no, now it is talking about JESUS.
Okay 2B,I can now see where you and I go off track from each other, and I will address this concern in a later post, for I have something to do right now.
Final verse:
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the only begotten god (or son – depending on which Greek ms you use), who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.In verse 18, is John still talking about the Word from verse one? YES or NO?
Mike……….verse 18 is talking about Jesus So what the problem here ?The Father was “IN” him Mike Just as Jesus said he was. M ike you must be willing to change your views also brother in order for this thing you doing to work right , Right?
peace and love to you andn yours……………………………gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 05 2013,21:04) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,19:28) Mike, no, now it is talking about JESUS.
Okay 2B,I can now see where you and I go off track from each other, and I will address this concern in a later post, for I have something to do right now.
Final verse:
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the only begotten god (or son – depending on which Greek ms you use), who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.In verse 18, is John still talking about the Word from verse one? YES or NO?
Mike,That can only be the Spirit of God as the Spirit is at the Father's side and reveals all things of him.
The “all things” is the Word.
God revealed “all things” to Jesus, John 5:20.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 05 2013,21:08) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,14:18) Mike, I do not know how to answer your question as verse 17 is not directly speaking of either the Word or the Word made flesh. It does join all the words in John 1:1-16 to the Word that was given through Mosses and the grace and truth that comes through Jesus.
Here are 3 definitions of the English word “for” from Merriam-Webster that seem most applicable.
Quote a —used as a function word to indicate purpose {a grant for studying medicine}
b —used as a function word to indicate an intended goal {left for home} {acted for the best}
c —used as a function word to indicate the object or recipient of a perception, desire, or activity {now for a good rest} {run for your life} {an eye for a bargain}
Kerwin,Notice my use of the word “for” in my post to 2B above this one. You have omitted one of the most common uses of the word “for” in your list. The word “for” commonly acts as the word “because”, as it does in my post.
Could it be that it has that meaning in verse 17?
I have more to say about your phrase “the Word made flesh”, but it will have to wait.
Mike,I believe you have a point though I do not see its significance yet.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2013,09:35) That can only be the Spirit of God as the Spirit is at the Father's side and reveals all things of him. The “all things” is the Word.
So then the Word is NOT the Holy Spirit itself, Kerwin?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 05 2013,22:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2013,09:35) That can only be the Spirit of God as the Spirit is at the Father's side and reveals all things of him. The “all things” is the Word.
So then the Word is NOT the Holy Spirit itself, Kerwin?
Mike,Jesus teaches us that the Spirit teaches the Word.
Paul teaches us that the Spirit reveals the Word.
Even the gifts are accomplishments of the Word as God speaks and men are healed, wonders are wrought, prophecies and tongues are spoken as well as interpreted.There is a relationship that can be expresses by declaring the Spirit is the Word just like it is written God is Love. This does not mean the Spirit is literally the Word. I believe you are speaking literally and in that way the Word is not the Spirit.
Quote (jammin @ Jan. 05 2013,18:41) even if they can read word for word in the bible that Christ is the WORD in john 1.1, these people still ignores the truth.
may God open your eyes.
Jammin,I believe the Word of God is literally the Word of God. You disagree. You base your disbelief on a flawed conclusion.
God cannot by sin.
Jesus was tempted by sin.
Jesus is therefore not God.So Jammin by inference you either believe:
1) Scripture is mistaken and under certain situations God is tempted by sin.
or
2) Scripture is mistaken and Jesus was never tempted by sin
I know you try to blame the flesh but that does not change the fact that God cannot be tempted by evil; even though he is enclosed in flesh.
I look at your actions and it is revealed to me that you have chosen to suspend disbelief in what you have been taught; for even when is revealed to be false you continue to hold on to it.
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