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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,22:16) Mike, yes. I will repeat myself.
To say that there is only one God which is YHVH and to then apply that biblical rule to the verse in John 1:1 is correct I believe.
So there is only one God over all, with his own word which is spirit, and then there is the Son, Jesus Christ.
John 1:1 is not talking about two gods it is talking about ONE GOD
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD.
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
Gods own Word was “made flesh” and dwelt among us, IN Jesus Christ – the man of Nazareth –
The Spirit which was in Him was before ALL.
2besee…….I agree with you on this brother. Mike and others take liberty to change the word God, from upper case to lower case ,when the original Greek they were all written in upper case letters. They try ever way they can to force the text to meet there perceptions.What also is interesting is they aren't even able to ask themselves , if John was wanting to mean Jesus , why would he not simply have written Jesus there instead of writing “the word” there.
When God himself said there is no other God besides him , they take liberty to create other Gods , totally ignoring God.'s own word acting as if he never said it.
Mike even takes liberty with what Paul said by limiting the words ,”so-called God's” in his desperate attempt to make other God's , so it will fit his false assumptions of Jesus being a God. Even though Jesus himself said “thou art the “only” true God”
The word “only true” God , means there is no other “true” God that exists. That means all other “so-called” God's are FALSE GOD'S.
But thanks be to God our Father some do understand this.
peace and love to you and yours brother……………………………..gene
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,05:16) Mike, yes.
John 1:16
From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.Okay guys…………. only two left. In verse 16 above, is John STILL writing about the very same Word he was writing about in verse 1? YES or NO?
Wakeup, could you answer the question DIRECTLY this time?
Kerwin? 2B? Gene?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 04 2013,04:36) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,22:16) Mike, yes. I will repeat myself.
To say that there is only one God which is YHVH and to then apply that biblical rule to the verse in John 1:1 is correct I believe.
So there is only one God over all, with his own word which is spirit, and then there is the Son, Jesus Christ.
John 1:1 is not talking about two gods it is talking about ONE GOD
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD.
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
Gods own Word was “made flesh” and dwelt among us, IN Jesus Christ – the man of Nazareth –
The Spirit which was in Him was before ALL.
2besee…….I agree with you on this brother. Mike and others take liberty to change the word God, from upper case to lower case ,when the original Greek they were all written in upper case letters. They try ever way they can to force the text to meet there perceptions.What also is interesting is they aren't even able to ask themselves , if John was wanting to mean Jesus , why would he not simply have written Jesus there instead of writing “the word” there.
When God himself said there is no other God besides him , they take liberty to create other Gods , totally ignoring God.'s own word acting as if he never said it.
Hmm true. The Word was with God and the Word was God.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,07:04) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,05:16) Mike, yes.
John 1:16
From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.Okay guys…………. only two left. In verse 16 above, is John STILL writing about the very same Word he was writing about in verse 1? YES or NO?
Wakeup, could you answer the question DIRECTLY this time?
Kerwin? 2B? Gene?
Mike, yes it is still the Word.Logos, – λόγος, ου, ὁ, a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy.
“In the beginning GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep;
AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD WAS MOVING OVER THE FACE OF THE WATERS.
And God SAID, “Let there be light”; AND THERE WAS LIGHT.” Genesis 1So, God created the heavens and the earth through the Spirit which moved on the face of the waters and also through his word which spoke 'let there be…'
“In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God” John 1
“I AM THE LORD AND THERE IS NO OTHER,
BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD;
I gird you, though you do not know me,
THAT MEN MAY KNOW,
FROM THE RISING OF THE SUN FROM THE WEST,
THAT THERE IS NONE BESIDES ME;
I AM THE LORD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER.”
I FORM THE LIGHT AND CREATE DARKNESS,
I MAKE WEAL AND CREATE WOE,
I AM THE LORD, WHO DO ALL THESE THINGS.”This, just one of many other verses shows you that John 1:1 means exactly what it says.
“There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse,
and a branch shall grow out of his roots.
And the SPIRIT OF THE LORD SHALL REST UPON HIM,
THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING,
THE SPIRIT OF COUNSEL AND MIGHT,
THE SPIRIT OF KNOWLEDGE AND THE FEAR OF THE LORD.
And his delight shall be in the fear of the LORD.” Isaiah 11:1-3This shows you that Jesus was a man though born of the Holy Spirit as he had no earthly Father, and that the spirit of God would be upon Him. The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of God.
“For AS THE RAIN COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN,
and return not thither but WATER THE EARTH,
MAKING IT BRING FORTH AND SPROUT,
GIVING SEED TO THE SOWER AND BREAD TO THE EATER,
so shall MY WORD BE THAT GOES FORTH FROM MY MOUTH;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and prosper in the thing for WHICH I SENT IT TO DO” Isaiah 55:10-11“For I have come down FROM HEAVEN, not to do my own will, but the will of HIM WHO SENT ME.” John 6:38
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever;
and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” John 6:51Not another God.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2013,01:57) 2Besee. QUOTE:
Gods own Word was “made flesh” and dwelt among us, IN Jesus Christ – the man of Nazareth –The Spirit which was in Him was before ALL.
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UNQUOTE:You seem confused,or just playing with words.
How can the word that was made flesh; is the spirit in Jesus?wakeup.
I do not follow you question?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 04 2013,02:36) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,22:16) Mike, yes. I will repeat myself.
To say that there is only one God which is YHVH and to then apply that biblical rule to the verse in John 1:1 is correct I believe.
So there is only one God over all, with his own word which is spirit, and then there is the Son, Jesus Christ.
John 1:1 is not talking about two gods it is talking about ONE GOD
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD.
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
Gods own Word was “made flesh” and dwelt among us, IN Jesus Christ – the man of Nazareth –
The Spirit which was in Him was before ALL.
2besee…….I agree with you on this brother. Mike and others take liberty to change the word God, from upper case to lower case ,when the original Greek they were all written in upper case letters. They try ever way they can to force the text to meet there perceptions.What also is interesting is they aren't even able to ask themselves , if John was wanting to mean Jesus , why would he not simply have written Jesus there instead of writing “the word” there.
When God himself said there is no other God besides him , they take liberty to create other Gods , totally ignoring God.'s own word acting as if he never said it.
Mike even takes liberty with what Paul said by limiting the words ,”so-called God's” in his desperate attempt to make other God's , so it will fit his false assumptions of Jesus being a God. Even though Jesus himself said “thou art the “only” true God”
The word “only true” God , means there is no other “true” God that exists. That means all other “so-called” God's are FALSE GOD'S.
But thanks be to God our Father some do understand this.
peace and love to you and yours brother……………………………..gene
Hi Gene and 2Besee,I'm glad that God has shown you both the truth
regarding “The Word” being God's Holy Spirit.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,01:50) Mike, I believe he is either the Word or the Word made flesh.
Khow can words become flesh
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
sinse the holy spirit his not Christ then own did God give his word to men according to 2 Peter 1;21
also we know that Christ came from above ;1Co 15:47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.
Jn 3:31 “The one who comes from above is above all;
Ro 10:6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’’” (that is, to bring Christ down)(because if you ask for Christ ascend again it means that he as to descend first and so do all things over again )
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 04 2013,10:17) Hi Gene and 2Besee, I'm glad that God has shown you both the truth
regarding “The Word” being God's Holy Spirit.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Thank you Ed and Amen.
Only God can show it, not our own minds.Quote (jammin @ Jan. 03 2013,11:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2013,17:19) Hi Jammin, So if people insert their opinions into the text,
it is then what the bible says (according to you)?God bless
Ed J
they are not inserting their opinion in john 1.1
that is what the bible saysyou are the one who is inserting your opinion in john 1.1
in fact you cant read any SINGLE version that says that the WORD in john 1.1 is the HS.sorry boy
Hi Jammin,“For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isa 28:10)God's words are referred to “Spirit” in verses like John 6:63
and the sword of the spirit in verses like Ephesians 6:17.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgT,
Quote K how can words become flesh
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
You are answering your own question as the prophets merely spoke the Word while Jesus lives it as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,03:46) T, Quote K how can words become flesh
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
You are answering your own question as the prophets merely spoke the Word while Jesus lives it as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Khow can a man live WORDS
why are you so blind and tell that Santa Clauss is true and go through roof stacks on Chrismas night, with his sled and deer'sa man can follow the will spell out in words ,but THE “WORD” OF GOD seems more like a name than written words or even verbal ,
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,03:46) T, Quote K how can words become flesh
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
You are answering your own question as the prophets merely spoke the Word while Jesus lives it as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Kyou have ten to admit that Christ was prior to his baptism the son of God and so was the word of God into all he ever say during his live on earth right
and the holy spirit was in him all of the time right
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,03:57) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,03:46) T, Quote K how can words become flesh
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
You are answering your own question as the prophets merely spoke the Word while Jesus lives it as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Khow can a man live WORDS
why are you so blind and tell that Santa Clauss is true and go through roof stacks on Chrismas night, with his sled and deer'sa man can follow the will spell out in words ,but THE “WORD” OF GOD seems more like a name than written words or even verbal ,
T,Basically Jesus lives by the Word because he did not sin even though tempted as we are. God's Word is more than that as all things in heaven and on earth obey it. When God said “let there be light” there was light. Jesus is a channel by which God does his wonders.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 04 2013,08:22) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 03 2013,11:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2013,17:19) Hi Jammin, So if people insert their opinions into the text,
it is then what the bible says (according to you)?God bless
Ed J
they are not inserting their opinion in john 1.1
that is what the bible saysyou are the one who is inserting your opinion in john 1.1
in fact you cant read any SINGLE version that says that the WORD in john 1.1 is the HS.sorry boy
Hi Jammin,“For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isa 28:10)God's words are referred to “Spirit” in verses like John 6:63
and the sword of the spirit in verses like Ephesians 6:17.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
satan is also using God's wordif you cant give any single version that says in john 1.1 that the word is the HS> then i think you should talk to yourself if you are still on the right track
if you still insist your imagination, make your own version. dont make things hard for you boy LOL
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 03 2013,13:50) Mike, I believe he is either the Word or the Word made flesh.
I'll take that as a simple “YES”, since “Word”, or “Word made flesh” is still the Word.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,15:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,07:04) John 1:16
From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.In verse 16 above, is John STILL writing about the very same Word he was writing about in verse 1? YES or NO?
Mike, yes it is still the Word.
Okay.John 1
16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
How about verse 17? Is John STILL writing about the Word of God that he wrote about in verses 1-16?
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,05:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2013,03:57) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2013,03:46) T, Quote K how can words become flesh
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
You are answering your own question as the prophets merely spoke the Word while Jesus lives it as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Khow can a man live WORDS
why are you so blind and tell that Santa Clauss is true and go through roof stacks on Chrismas night, with his sled and deer'sa man can follow the will spell out in words ,but THE “WORD” OF GOD seems more like a name than written words or even verbal ,
T,Basically Jesus lives by the Word because he did not sin even though tempted as we are. God's Word is more than that as all things in heaven and on earth obey it. When God said “let there be light” there was light. Jesus is a channel by which God does his wonders.
Kwhat is it that you call WORD ,??? is it the scriptures or the law ,or both
? or something else Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,13:56) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,15:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,07:04) John 1:16
From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.In verse 16 above, is John STILL writing about the very same Word he was writing about in verse 1? YES or NO?
Mike, yes it is still the Word.
Okay.John 1
16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
How about verse 17? Is John STILL writing about the Word of God that he wrote about in verses 1-16?
Mike, no, now it is talking about JESUS.
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