In the Beginning

[2besee]

Amen to your method Mike (though it is a really slow process!!)

Okay — in agreement again, so far.

[2besee]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2012,17:01)

To all, Thank you for your prayers and well wishes.

You are welcome and was praying for you.

[kerwin]

Mike,

verses 9-13 are speaking of the light aspect of the Word and so the Word.

Verse 10 teaches us the Light made the World and verse 3 teaches us the Word did. From this I conclude that in some manner they both did.

Verse 4 teaches us that the “rank” of the Word is greater than the “rank” of the Light. From this I conclude the Light is a part(aspect) of the Word.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,16:11)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 29 2012,14:17) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,06:21) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 28 2012,11:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2012,20:46) Hi Jammin, Is Jesus the sword of the spirit?  1. Yes  2. No give mt the verse and ill tell you my answer Hi Jammin, At least you admit that you don't know. God bless Ed J did i say i do not know?? do you know how to read?? i said give me the verse. you know why im asking you the verse? bec i want to correct your false interpretation just like what you are doing in john 1.1 Hi Jammin, If you knew the meaning of this verse: John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. …you wouldn't be confused by what the traditions of men have taught you. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

im not confused. that is not tradition. do not fool people ed.
that is what the bible says.
that is WORD FOR WORD IN THE BIBLE> CHRIST IS THE WORD IN JOHN 1.1
believe it or not.

you like stories boy. but i dont . i want verse.
sorry but you need to study your bible well. set aside the false doctrines that you have in mind,.

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 30 2012,15:13)

im not confused. that is not tradition. do not fool people ed. that is what the bible says. that is WORD FOR WORD IN THE BIBLE> CHRIST IS THE WORD IN JOHN 1.1 believe it or not. you like stories boy. but i dont . i want verse. sorry but you need to study your bible well. set aside the false doctrines that you have in mind,.

Hi Jammin,

Altered and corrupted text is not what “The Bible” says, but instead
is what the systems of religion and the traditions of men say.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Jammin,

A word is a “unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning.”

The Word is the conversation of God composed of many words and of power.

Is Jesus “the conversation of God composed of many words and of power” or is he called by that name?

I know which answer Yawheh gives and it is not the one you give.

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike……….Spirit is  (intellect) which en-lightens the mind, and “IT” (the Spirit) which “en-lightens” is the light of man spoken of by John , and  is “expressed in “words”. Just that simple nothing complicated about it.

Mike remember when Jesus said this, Mat 6:23…> But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness, therefore   if that light that is in you be darkness how great is that darkness,

Luk 11:35 …..> Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness.

It seems light is a verable some have more then others it appears. Light is mental en-lightment and comes from Sprit and is “expressed by words”. These all work as one and the same thing,  GOD Who is SPIRIT,  Which is  LIGHT, is  expressed” through WORDS. You can not seperate GOD from His Words or His Light, which en-lightens, all comming into this world. becasue all Spirits we have are recieved into us, and en-lighten us, and when we die they go back to him who gave them. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2012,17:21)

Jammin, A word is a “unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning.” The Word is the conversation of God composed of many words and of power. Is Jesus “the conversation of God composed of many words and of power” or is he called by that name? I know which answer Yawheh gives and it is not the one you give.

K

but you fall short to give your believe answer so it is only an opinion but not a truth in scriptures right

opinions are useless

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 29 2012,22:01)

Amen to your method Mike (though it is a really slow process!!) Okay — in agreement again, so far.

Okay then, moving on…………… (we're almost there guys)

John 1:11
He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.

Still talking about the Word from verse 1?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2012,22:13)

Verse 4 teaches us that the “rank” of the Word is greater than the “rank” of the Light. From this I conclude the Light is a part(aspect) of the Word.

Kerwin,

I don't want to break stride here, but I must point out that I find it odd that you make a distinction between the Word and the light, because of the words “in him was light” – but you DON'T make a distinction between the Word and God in light of the words, “he was with God in the beginning”.

Anyway, what do you say about verse 11?

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,20:57)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2012,17:21) Jammin, A word is a “unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning.” The Word is the conversation of God composed of many words and of power. Is Jesus “the conversation of God composed of many words and of power” or is he called by that name? I know which answer Yawheh gives and it is not the one you give. K but you fall short to give your believe answer so it is only an opinion but not a truth in scriptures right opinions are useless

T,

My answer is to believe God when he states Jesus is called by the name of his conversation; and it is composed of words and of power.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,22:50)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2012,22:13) Verse 4 teaches us that the “rank” of the Word is greater than the “rank” of the Light. From this I conclude the Light is a part(aspect) of the Word. Kerwin, I don't want to break stride here, but I must point out that I find it odd that you make a distinction between the Word and the light, because of the words “in him was light” – but you DON'T make a distinction between the Word and God in light of the words, “he was with God in the beginning”.   Anyway, what do you say about verse 11?

Mike,

I am making a distinction as in the beginning God was living by his Conversation and he was with his Conversation.

John makes the distinction between the Word and the Light therein for a reason.

Verse 11 is still speaking of the Light aspect of the Word.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,15:27)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 30 2012,15:13) im not confused. that is not tradition. do not fool people ed. that is what the bible says. that is WORD FOR WORD IN THE BIBLE> CHRIST IS THE WORD IN JOHN 1.1 believe it or not. you like stories boy. but i dont . i want verse. sorry but you need to study your bible well. set aside the false doctrines that you have in mind,. Hi Jammin, Altered and corrupted text is not what “The Bible” says, but instead is what the systems of religion and the traditions of men say. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ed,

you say it is altered bec that is not your doctrine. it does not support your imagination.
you do not want to believe what the bible says.
i was asking you what version that the WORD in john 1.1 is the HS but you cant me ANY SINGLE VERSION.

the bible is clear and that WORD in john 1.1 is the son of God. read the context and do not jump to other conclusion. this will help you understanding the bible well

[jammin]

kerwin,

i dont believe to stories. i believe in the written words of God. the Word in john 1.1 is Christ himself

rev 19.13

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 31 2012,07:59)

kerwin, i dont believe to stories. i believe in the written words of God. the Word in john 1.1 is Christ himself rev 19.13

Jammin,

Scripture does not state that Christ is literally the Word and therefore you are speaking a fiction. It does say that John saw a time when he is called by the name of the Word.

Stop believing in teachings based on the principles of this world and instead believe in those based on the principles of godliness.

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike…….Lets get to the finish line here what are you driving at ?

peace and love to you and yours Mike……………………………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2012,02:34)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,20:57) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2012,17:21) Jammin, A word is a “unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning.” The Word is the conversation of God composed of many words and of power. Is Jesus “the conversation of God composed of many words and of power” or is he called by that name? I know which answer Yawheh gives and it is not the one you give. K but you fall short to give your believe answer so it is only an opinion but not a truth in scriptures right opinions are useless T, My answer is to believe God when he states Jesus is called by the name of his conversation; and it is composed of words and of power.

K

you just can not see it because your own self and agenda is bloking your view ,and untill you remove those things you will never come to the true knowledge of the son of God ,just like the religieous Jews in Jesus time ,same thing today,

so it is up to you ,it is your life ,

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2012,19:57)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 31 2012,07:59) kerwin, i dont believe to stories. i believe in the written words of God. the Word in john 1.1 is Christ himself rev 19.13 Jammin, Scripture does not state that Christ is literally the Word and therefore you are speaking a fiction.  It does say that John saw a time when he is called by the name of the Word. Stop believing in teachings based on the principles of this world and instead believe in those based on the principles of godliness.

k

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Scripture does not state that Christ is literally the Word and therefore you are speaking a fiction.

so in your view WE DO NOT NEED UNDERSTANDING ONLY THE ABILITY TO READ ????

Pr 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.

Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2012,14:45)

I am making a distinction as in the beginning God was living by his Conversation and he was with his Conversation.

I guess I knew the “Sensible Kerwin” wouldn't last forever.    

The “Conversation of God” was WITH God in the beginning, and the “Conversation of God” WAS God in the beginning?  

Anyway, I'm not about to be sidetracked by unscriptural nonsense.  

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2012,14:45)

John makes the distinction between the Word and the Light therein for a reason.

But you've already acknowledged that is just ONE way of understanding “in him was light”, right? It could very well be that light was IN the Word, like it is IN God and IN the disciples, but at the same time, the Word is CALLED “light”, as is God and the disciples.

You have made the claim that all things were created through the Word AND through the light, right? Does it really make sense to you that all things were created both through the Word, AND through the “light aspect OF” the Word?

Wouldn't that be redundant?

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2012,14:45)

Verse 11 is still speaking of the Light aspect of the Word.

Just the light “aspect”, but not speaking of the Word itself?  Okay, but that's going to come back to bite you in a verse or two.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 31 2012,08:10)

Mike…….Lets get to the finish line here what are you driving at ? peace and love to you and yours Mike……………………………………………..gene

It's like a story, Gene. You can't just go telling everyone the ending before they've read it, right?

Anyway, moving on…………….

John 1:12
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

In verse 12, is John still talking about the Word of God from verse 1 (or at least “an aspect of” the Word)?

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