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Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,14:11) Hi T, (Quote)
PS 148:13
Let them praise the name of the LORD,
For His name alone is exalted;
His glory is above earth and heaven.look here the last verse THIS IS WERE THE GLORY OF GOD EXALTED AN ALSO HIS .
You say the Glory of God is God?
Peace.
Hi Abe,Does that mean “God's Glory” is in a different place?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,19:40) Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,14:11) Hi T, (Quote)
PS 148:13
Let them praise the name of the LORD,
For His name alone is exalted;
His glory is above earth and heaven.look here the last verse THIS IS WERE THE GLORY OF GOD EXALTED AN ALSO HIS .
You say the Glory of God is God?
Peace.
Hi Abe,Does that mean “God's Glory” is in a different place?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,1Jn.1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
that God is Light,
Rev.21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God is its light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
the glory of God is its light,
Rev.22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.
not have Need of the * Light of a Lamp*
because the Lord God will *illumine* them;
Gen.1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Peace brother….
Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2013,09:37) Quote (terraricca @ June 07 2013,12:38) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,08:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2013,10:03) Should we be surprised, Pierre? After all, we are dealing with four people who believe so many of the same unscriptural things, right? So why then would we be surprised that all four of them also agree that all of creation exists INSIDE OF the God who created it? peace and love to you my friend,
mike
Hi Mike,Although I don't agree with their cockamamie wording,what
they are proposing is not as far fetched as you are making it.“If” GOD is everywhere, which I believe he is, then it cannot be outside, because there is no outside.
I guess what you are proposing is: creation was made outside of GOD, but do you have any Scriptural evidence for this premise?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjQuote “If” GOD is everywhere, which I believe he is, then it cannot be outside, because there is no outside.
I guess what you are proposing is: creation was made outside of GOD, but do you have any Scriptural evidence for this premise?Ge 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
was not hovering OVER THE WATER AND NOT IN THE WATERS ,AND NOT INSIDE HIMSELF ,
YOU CAN BE MADE THROUGH God's created way, in the womb of your mother but you are not your mother and has to come out of it if you want to live,and only then you are considered an human being,
so it is with God' he create then wen it is produced and finish it is on is own according to the ways that God as plan it ,
PIERREAre you familiar with the formation of a bubble?
EdjCan,t see a thing the bubble is blocking my view
Hovering is more like inspecting
Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,09:11) Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,17:48) Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,07:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2013,16:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 05 2013,20:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2013,10:03) Should we be surprised, Pierre? After all, we are dealing with four people who believe so many of the same unscriptural things, right? So why then would we be surprised that all four of them also agree that all of creation exists INSIDE OF the God who created it? peace and love to you my friend,
mike
Hi Mike,Although I don't agree with their cockamamie wording,what
they are proposing is not as far fetched as you are making it.“If” GOD is everywhere, which I believe he is, then it cannot be outside, because there is no outside.
I guess what you are proposing is: creation was made outside of GOD, but do you have any Scriptural evidence for this premise?
Well Ed,God dwells in heaven, not “everywhere all the time”. So we disagree on the claim that God is omnipresent.
And unless every bit of God's creation also dwells in heaven, where God is, then all of creation is NOT within the being of God.
As for a scripture:
Job 1
6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
Ed, how can the angels COME TO God if they are all already inside of Him to start with? How could they COME TO Him if He was already everywhere they could have possibly been?
And why wouldn't God have known where Satan had been, if the earth and Satan have always remained inside of God?
Hi Mike,Acts7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
and earth is my footstool:
Why do you say God only dwells in heaven?
Peace brother…
JOB 22:12
“Is not God in the height of heaven?
Look also at the distant stars, how high they are!PS 11:4
The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD'S throne is in heaven;
His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.
PS 14:2 The LORD has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men
To see if there are any who understand,
Who seek after GodPS 20:6
Now I know that the LORD saves His anointed;
He will answer him from His holy heaven
With the saving strength of His right hand.Whom have I in heaven but You?
And besides You, I desire nothing on earth.
PS 76:8PS 124:8 Our help is in the name of the LORD,
Who made heaven and earth.PS 148:13
Let them praise the name of the LORD,
For His name alone is exalted;
His glory is above earth and heaven.look here the last verse THIS IS WERE THE GLORY OF GOD EXALTED AN ALSO HIS .
Hi T,(Quote)
PS 148:13
Let them praise the name of the LORD,
For His name alone is exalted;
His glory is above earth and heaven.look here the last verse THIS IS WERE THE GLORY OF GOD EXALTED AN ALSO HIS .
You say the Glory of God is God?
Peace.
AbeNo,it should be IS, not HIS , I have correct it ,
Meaning the place were he is
Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,15:08) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,19:40) Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,14:11) Hi T, (Quote)
PS 148:13
Let them praise the name of the LORD,
For His name alone is exalted;
His glory is above earth and heaven.look here the last verse THIS IS WERE THE GLORY OF GOD EXALTED AN ALSO HIS .
You say the Glory of God is God?
Peace.
Hi Abe,Does that mean “God's Glory” is in a different place?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,1Jn.1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
that God is Light,
Rev.21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God is its light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
the glory of God is its light,
Rev.22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.
not have Need of the * Light of a Lamp*
because the Lord God will *illumine* them;
Gen.1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Peace brother….
Thank you Abe!Yes I know God's “Glory” is here!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ June 07 2013,15:16) Edj Can,t see a thing the bubble is blocking my view
Yea, I thought so.
Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,23:47) Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,15:08) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,19:40) Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,14:11) Hi T, (Quote)
PS 148:13
Let them praise the name of the LORD,
For His name alone is exalted;
His glory is above earth and heaven.look here the last verse THIS IS WERE THE GLORY OF GOD EXALTED AN ALSO HIS .
You say the Glory of God is God?
Peace.
Hi Abe,Does that mean “God's Glory” is in a different place?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,1Jn.1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
that God is Light,
Rev.21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God is its light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
the glory of God is its light,
Rev.22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.
not have Need of the * Light of a Lamp*
because the Lord God will *illumine* them;
Gen.1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Peace brother….
Thank you Abe!Yes I know God's “Glory” is here!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,I think your amillennium will you please give me a couple of verses supporting this view? Thank you.
Peace brother……
Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2013,08:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2013,07:17) Matthew 6:9
“This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name…………Where is our Father, Abe? Do a word search of “father in heaven”, and see how many times Jesus referred to our Father, who is IN HEAVEN.
Also, how can the earth be God's footstool if the earth resides WITHIN the being of God?
Mike,Given God is in all places is one of those places heaven.
To all,God's seat of power is in heaven and yet earth is his footstool that is fashioned to his seat of power,2 Chronicles 9:18.
All is God's.
God “sits” in heaven and his “feet” rest in earth.
Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,06:56) Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,06:33) Quote could you translate the first part of your sentence It is clear enough you should understand.
Quote if someone as a soul he must have some kind of body and God as a soul ,and your comment in your last sentence is ridicule ; God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies.
Quote
the one that create his not what he create ;the inventor is not the invention,I agree.
kerwinQuote According to you angels are in very body God this i can not understand ,missing some thing
Quote God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies. your respond is declaring that God as no soul,and by accepting my last comment you contradict your believe that WE ALL LIVE IN GOD AND THAT ALL IS CREATED IN GOD,
T,You believe angels and God have the same kind of body.
God is not created and so may not require a soul and a body or he may be the equivalent of love with a soul and intellect.
Do demons have a body?
T,You have introduced a mystery whose answer has not yet been revealed to me. Do you know if a bodiless soul can be a complete person or whether or not a soul can be housed in that which is not a body?
Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2013,16:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,06:56) Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,06:33) Quote could you translate the first part of your sentence It is clear enough you should understand.
Quote if someone as a soul he must have some kind of body and God as a soul ,and your comment in your last sentence is ridicule ; God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies.
Quote
the one that create his not what he create ;the inventor is not the invention,I agree.
kerwinQuote According to you angels are in very body God this i can not understand ,missing some thing
Quote God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies. your respond is declaring that God as no soul,and by accepting my last comment you contradict your believe that WE ALL LIVE IN GOD AND THAT ALL IS CREATED IN GOD,
T,You believe angels and God have the same kind of body.
God is not created and so may not require a soul and a body or he may be the equivalent of love with a soul and intellect.
Do demons have a body?
T,You have introduced a mystery whose answer has not yet been revealed to me. Do you know if a bodiless soul can be a complete person or whether or not a soul can be housed in that which is not a body?
kerwinyour questions have nothing to do in the understanding ;
an soul his a being ,meaning an individual ,and is not mixed with others souls so what ever separate them must be their body ,whatever that body may be made of ,
Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,10:08) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,19:40) Quote (abe @ June 07 2013,14:11) Hi T, (Quote)
PS 148:13
Let them praise the name of the LORD,
For His name alone is exalted;
His glory is above earth and heaven.look here the last verse THIS IS WERE THE GLORY OF GOD EXALTED AN ALSO HIS .
You say the Glory of God is God?
Peace.
Hi Abe,Does that mean “God's Glory” is in a different place?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,1Jn.1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
that God is Light,
Rev.21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God is its light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
the glory of God is its light,
Rev.22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.
not have Need of the * Light of a Lamp*
because the Lord God will *illumine* them;
Gen.1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Peace brother….
abereligion as blind you ,your answer is proof of that ,
the glory of God is not light ,and God is not created as you seem to believe ,
the glory of God is its light,
Gen.1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Quote not have Need of the * Light of a Lamp* because the Lord God will *illumine* them;
those quotes do not mean light as the brightness of some thing ,BUT THE TRUE KNOWLEDGE THAT SUSTAINS LIFE
JUST AS ; Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
Quote (terraricca @ June 07 2013,18:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2013,16:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,06:56) Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,06:33) Quote could you translate the first part of your sentence It is clear enough you should understand.
Quote if someone as a soul he must have some kind of body and God as a soul ,and your comment in your last sentence is ridicule ; God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies.
Quote
the one that create his not what he create ;the inventor is not the invention,I agree.
kerwinQuote According to you angels are in very body God this i can not understand ,missing some thing
Quote God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies. your respond is declaring that God as no soul,and by accepting my last comment you contradict your believe that WE ALL LIVE IN GOD AND THAT ALL IS CREATED IN GOD,
T,You believe angels and God have the same kind of body.
God is not created and so may not require a soul and a body or he may be the equivalent of love with a soul and intellect.
Do demons have a body?
T,You have introduced a mystery whose answer has not yet been revealed to me. Do you know if a bodiless soul can be a complete person or whether or not a soul can be housed in that which is not a body?
kerwinyour questions have nothing to do in the understanding ;
an soul his a being ,meaning an individual ,and is not mixed with others souls so what ever separate them must be their body ,whatever that body may be made of ,
T,I was hoping you had more than that. The descended have no body except for the form their soul takes and yet they are separated from one another.
Note: Descended is a literal translation of a Hebrew word meaning those that have descended to Sheol.
Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2013,02:52) Quote (terraricca @ June 07 2013,18:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2013,16:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,06:56) Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,06:33) Quote could you translate the first part of your sentence It is clear enough you should understand.
Quote if someone as a soul he must have some kind of body and God as a soul ,and your comment in your last sentence is ridicule ; God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies.
Quote
the one that create his not what he create ;the inventor is not the invention,I agree.
kerwinQuote According to you angels are in very body God this i can not understand ,missing some thing
Quote God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies. your respond is declaring that God as no soul,and by accepting my last comment you contradict your believe that WE ALL LIVE IN GOD AND THAT ALL IS CREATED IN GOD,
T,You believe angels and God have the same kind of body.
God is not created and so may not require a soul and a body or he may be the equivalent of love with a soul and intellect.
Do demons have a body?
T,You have introduced a mystery whose answer has not yet been revealed to me. Do you know if a bodiless soul can be a complete person or whether or not a soul can be housed in that which is not a body?
kerwinyour questions have nothing to do in the understanding ;
an soul his a being ,meaning an individual ,and is not mixed with others souls so what ever separate them must be their body ,whatever that body may be made of ,
T,I was hoping you had more than that. The descended have no body except for the form their soul takes and yet they are separated from one another.
Note: Descended is a literal translation of a Hebrew word meaning those that have descended to Sheol.
Kerwina soul ,is created except for God ,and so did not exist prior to creation ,if so created what is it but whatever it is it as his own enclosure and so separated from the others ,the physical body is also a enclosure but for active actions
Quote (terraricca @ June 08 2013,03:59) Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2013,02:52) Quote (terraricca @ June 07 2013,18:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2013,16:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,06:56) Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,06:33) Quote could you translate the first part of your sentence It is clear enough you should understand.
Quote if someone as a soul he must have some kind of body and God as a soul ,and your comment in your last sentence is ridicule ; God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies.
Quote
the one that create his not what he create ;the inventor is not the invention,I agree.
kerwinQuote According to you angels are in very body God this i can not understand ,missing some thing
Quote God is not created. Among the created I am not sure demons have bodies. your respond is declaring that God as no soul,and by accepting my last comment you contradict your believe that WE ALL LIVE IN GOD AND THAT ALL IS CREATED IN GOD,
T,You believe angels and God have the same kind of body.
God is not created and so may not require a soul and a body or he may be the equivalent of love with a soul and intellect.
Do demons have a body?
T,You have introduced a mystery whose answer has not yet been revealed to me. Do you know if a bodiless soul can be a complete person or whether or not a soul can be housed in that which is not a body?
kerwinyour questions have nothing to do in the understanding ;
an soul his a being ,meaning an individual ,and is not mixed with others souls so what ever separate them must be their body ,whatever that body may be made of ,
T,I was hoping you had more than that. The descended have no body except for the form their soul takes and yet they are separated from one another.
Note: Descended is a literal translation of a Hebrew word meaning those that have descended to Sheol.
Kerwina soul ,is created except for God ,and so did not exist prior to creation ,if so created what is it but whatever it is it as his own enclosure and so separated from the others ,the physical body is also a enclosure but for active actions
T,That sounds plausible.
Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2013,20:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2013,07:17) Matthew 6:9
“This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name…………Where is our Father, Abe? Do a word search of “father in heaven”, and see how many times Jesus referred to our Father, who is IN HEAVEN.
Also, how can the earth be God's footstool if the earth resides WITHIN the being of God?
Mike,Given God is in all places is one of those places heaven.
If God was in all places, why do you suppose Jesus – without fail – always placed him “in heaven”?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 06 2013,20:53) Mike……….. Jesus said Even the Son of Man who is”IN” Heaven He said that while being still on earth> What your take on that Mike?
Read up on that scripture, Gene. Then get back to me. The words “who is in heaven” are thought to be a scribal error. The words are amended in many mss, and completely removed in others.Do some research into it to show me you are ready for an in depth discussion about it, then get back to me, okay?
Quote (abe @ June 06 2013,20:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2013,17:17) Matthew 6:9
“This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name…………Where is our Father, Abe? Do a word search of “father in heaven”, and see how many times Jesus referred to our Father, who is IN HEAVEN.
Also, how can the earth be God's footstool if the earth resides WITHIN the being of God?
Hi Mike,2Sam.7:1 And it came to pass, when the king(David) sat in his house, and the LORD had given him rest round about from all his enemies; 2That the king said unto Nathan the prophet, See now, I dwell in a house of cedar, but the ark of God dwelleth within curtains. 3And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that is in thine heart; for the LORD is with thee.4And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying, 5Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in? 6Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me a house of cedar?
but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel,
Eph.4:6 One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
Peace.
Abe,Read the context. They are talking about building a nice house for the ark of the covenant – not for the being of God Almighty Himself.
It was poetically said that God resided between the cherubim on the lid of the ark. But the gold cherubim are not LITERALLY real angels, nor did God LITERALLY dwell between them. The ark was a sign for them that the presence of God was always with them. He was metaphorically “with them” – helping them in all their endeavors. It didn't mean that the being of God Almighty Himself (who resides in heaven) was LITERALLY living in a man-made tent.
In fact, Jehovah even refused to go with the Israelites, and sent an angel with them instead. (How could that happen if God was literally “everywhere all the time”? How would He have been able to NOT go with the Israelites if He was already everywhere they were, and everywhere they were going to be?)
Now Abe, please do the assignment I mentioned. Word search “father in heaven”, and tell me how many times Jesus himself told us exactly where our heavenly Father resides.
Then tell me how many times Jesus ever said God was somewhere other than “in heaven”.
Get back to me after you've done the research, okay?
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