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Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,21:33) Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,20:06) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinQuote 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” what part of God's spirit was their to be removed
?
T,The breath of life.
Kerwinthat is not what scriptures are saying ,so it is your opinion right
Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,02:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,21:33) Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,20:06) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinQuote 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” what part of God's spirit was their to be removed
?
T,The breath of life.
Kerwinthat is not what scriptures are saying ,so it is your opinion right
T,Look at the description. It is a spirit that determines the lifespan of a creature. The breath is the only one I know that does that. If you know something more then please share.
Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,04:07) Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,02:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,21:33) Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,20:06) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinQuote 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” what part of God's spirit was their to be removed
?
T,The breath of life.
Kerwinthat is not what scriptures are saying ,so it is your opinion right
T,Look at the description. It is a spirit that determines the lifespan of a creature. The breath is the only one I know that does that. If you know something more then please share.
kerwinthe 120 years are they related to man age or to the time were God's spirit would be stopped to have is presence with men
and the breath in our nostrils is not God's spirit it is oxygen
To all………..Spirit is the LIFE of all Physical living things. Without Spirit working “IN” them their bodies Die and return back to simply Matter they were before. Life and Spirit are synonymous . Jesus said the “WORDS” I am telling you “ARE” Spirit “AND” LIFE. We are all Washed or cleansed BY the WORD of GOD, If his words abide “IN” you you Have Life working “IN ” you BY those Words which “ARE” SPIRIT', Because they come form SPIRIT (cognate intellect) from GOD who “IS” Spirit . IMO
peace and love to you all and yours……………………………………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,05:34) Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,04:07) Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,02:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,21:33) Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,20:06) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinQuote 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” what part of God's spirit was their to be removed
?
T,The breath of life.
Kerwinthat is not what scriptures are saying ,so it is your opinion right
T,Look at the description. It is a spirit that determines the lifespan of a creature. The breath is the only one I know that does that. If you know something more then please share.
kerwinthe 120 years are they related to man age or to the time were God's spirit would be stopped to have is presence with men
and the breath in our nostrils is not God's spirit it is oxygen
T,The breath of life is the breath that gives life. Breathing is a sign of life. The living, outside their mother's womb, take in and expel air but God breaths the breath of life into us, even within our mother's womb.
The soul departs and death occurs.
The spirit departs and death occurs.
The breath departs and death occurs.The spirit seems to be a generic name for soul, possibly breath.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2013,06:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2013,10:09) Gene, Can you tell me in that Ezekiel passage where it says it is about the final resurrection of all people?
So it's not that I don't think GOD means what He says. It's more a matter of I rarely agree with YOUR understanding of what God has said. See the difference?
Also, I don't have anything against physical bodies. I have no reason to believe that the bodies of angels aren't physical – and I believe those who are raised to dwell in heaven will have bodies like those of heaven now have. I believe Paul speaks of these bodies in 1 Cor 15. I also believe Jesus now has one of these bodies.
Mike…….Eze 37:12…..> Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, “O MY PEOPLE”, I will open “YOUR GRAVES” and cause you to come UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES” and bring you into the land of Israel. (13) And you shall know I am the LORD, when i have opened “YOUR GRAVES”, O “MY PEOPLE”, and brought you “UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES”, (14) And shall put “MY SPIRIT” in you, and you shall live in your “OWN LAND”, then you shall know that i the LORD have spoken it and “PERFORMED” it, says the LORD .Mike this is not Metaphoric language, you can try to change the wording and dance all around it all you want to, trying desperately to Philosophy your way out of this truth , but you are then going against clearly written Scriptures of a “PHYSICAL” RESURRECTION> IMO
Paul plainly said, “FOR WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE RESURECTION, THAT WILL WITTNESS , THE “REDEMPTION” OF OUR “BODIES”. Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Hi Gene,(Quote)
Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO1Cor.15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable [body], it is raised an imperishable [body]; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
Rom.12:5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
Peace brother..
Quote (abe @ May 22 2013,01:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2013,06:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2013,10:09) Gene, Can you tell me in that Ezekiel passage where it says it is about the final resurrection of all people?
So it's not that I don't think GOD means what He says. It's more a matter of I rarely agree with YOUR understanding of what God has said. See the difference?
Also, I don't have anything against physical bodies. I have no reason to believe that the bodies of angels aren't physical – and I believe those who are raised to dwell in heaven will have bodies like those of heaven now have. I believe Paul speaks of these bodies in 1 Cor 15. I also believe Jesus now has one of these bodies.
Mike…….Eze 37:12…..> Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, “O MY PEOPLE”, I will open “YOUR GRAVES” and cause you to come UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES” and bring you into the land of Israel. (13) And you shall know I am the LORD, when i have opened “YOUR GRAVES”, O “MY PEOPLE”, and brought you “UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES”, (14) And shall put “MY SPIRIT” in you, and you shall live in your “OWN LAND”, then you shall know that i the LORD have spoken it and “PERFORMED” it, says the LORD .Mike this is not Metaphoric language, you can try to change the wording and dance all around it all you want to, trying desperately to Philosophy your way out of this truth , but you are then going against clearly written Scriptures of a “PHYSICAL” RESURRECTION> IMO
Paul plainly said, “FOR WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE RESURECTION, THAT WILL WITTNESS , THE “REDEMPTION” OF OUR “BODIES”. Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Hi Gene,(Quote)
Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO1Cor.15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable [body], it is raised an imperishable [body]; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
Rom.12:5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
Peace brother..
Abe,Paul speaks of a soulish body that some translate as a natural body, even then they are speaking in the carnal, worldly sense.
Paul also speaks of the Spiritual body. Translators use a small s but a big S would make the meaning more clear.
The same words are in 1 Corinthians 2:14 though the main topic is the spirit and not the body.
1 Corinthians 2:14
King James Version (KJV)14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Quote (kerwin @ May 22 2013,00:05) Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,05:34) Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,04:07) Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,02:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,21:33) Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,20:06) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinQuote 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” what part of God's spirit was their to be removed
?
T,The breath of life.
Kerwinthat is not what scriptures are saying ,so it is your opinion right
T,Look at the description. It is a spirit that determines the lifespan of a creature. The breath is the only one I know that does that. If you know something more then please share.
kerwinthe 120 years are they related to man age or to the time were God's spirit would be stopped to have is presence with men
and the breath in our nostrils is not God's spirit it is oxygen
T,The breath of life is the breath that gives life. Breathing is a sign of life. The living, outside their mother's womb, take in and expel air but God breaths the breath of life into us, even within our mother's womb.
The soul departs and death occurs.
The spirit departs and death occurs.
The breath departs and death occurs.The spirit seems to be a generic name for soul, possibly breath.
Kthe spirit does not go into nostrils of men
Quote (terraricca @ May 22 2013,05:48) Quote (kerwin @ May 22 2013,00:05) Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,05:34) Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,04:07) Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,02:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,21:33) Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,20:06) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinQuote 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” what part of God's spirit was their to be removed
?
T,The breath of life.
Kerwinthat is not what scriptures are saying ,so it is your opinion right
T,Look at the description. It is a spirit that determines the lifespan of a creature. The breath is the only one I know that does that. If you know something more then please share.
kerwinthe 120 years are they related to man age or to the time were God's spirit would be stopped to have is presence with men
and the breath in our nostrils is not God's spirit it is oxygen
T,The breath of life is the breath that gives life. Breathing is a sign of life. The living, outside their mother's womb, take in and expel air but God breaths the breath of life into us, even within our mother's womb.
The soul departs and death occurs.
The spirit departs and death occurs.
The breath departs and death occurs.The spirit seems to be a generic name for soul, possibly breath.
Kthe spirit does not go into nostrils of men
T,How do you know?
Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,11:32) Quote (abe @ May 22 2013,01:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2013,06:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2013,10:09) Gene, Can you tell me in that Ezekiel passage where it says it is about the final resurrection of all people?
So it's not that I don't think GOD means what He says. It's more a matter of I rarely agree with YOUR understanding of what God has said. See the difference?
Also, I don't have anything against physical bodies. I have no reason to believe that the bodies of angels aren't physical – and I believe those who are raised to dwell in heaven will have bodies like those of heaven now have. I believe Paul speaks of these bodies in 1 Cor 15. I also believe Jesus now has one of these bodies.
Mike…….Eze 37:12…..> Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, “O MY PEOPLE”, I will open “YOUR GRAVES” and cause you to come UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES” and bring you into the land of Israel. (13) And you shall know I am the LORD, when i have opened “YOUR GRAVES”, O “MY PEOPLE”, and brought you “UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES”, (14) And shall put “MY SPIRIT” in you, and you shall live in your “OWN LAND”, then you shall know that i the LORD have spoken it and “PERFORMED” it, says the LORD .Mike this is not Metaphoric language, you can try to change the wording and dance all around it all you want to, trying desperately to Philosophy your way out of this truth , but you are then going against clearly written Scriptures of a “PHYSICAL” RESURRECTION> IMO
Paul plainly said, “FOR WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE RESURECTION, THAT WILL WITTNESS , THE “REDEMPTION” OF OUR “BODIES”. Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Hi Gene,(Quote)
Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO1Cor.15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable [body], it is raised an imperishable [body]; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
Rom.12:5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
Peace brother..
Abe,Paul speaks of a soulish body that some translate as a natural body, even then they are speaking in the carnal, worldly sense.
Paul also speaks of the Spiritual body. Translators use a small s but a big S would make the meaning more clear.
The same words are in 1 Corinthians 2:14 though the main topic is the spirit and not the body.
1 Corinthians 2:14
King James Version (KJV)14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Hi Kerwin,Hort and Westcott has a version of the Greek interlinear.
They translate (natural body) as soulical body. I like this translation the best. I also think breath is separate from Spirit.English Revised Version
Gen.7:22 all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.breath of the spirit of life,
Peace brother……
Quote (kerwin @ May 22 2013,06:56) Quote (terraricca @ May 22 2013,05:48) Quote (kerwin @ May 22 2013,00:05) Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,05:34) Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,04:07) Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2013,02:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,21:33) Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2013,20:06) Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,11:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
kerwinQuote 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” what part of God's spirit was their to be removed
?
T,The breath of life.
Kerwinthat is not what scriptures are saying ,so it is your opinion right
T,Look at the description. It is a spirit that determines the lifespan of a creature. The breath is the only one I know that does that. If you know something more then please share.
kerwinthe 120 years are they related to man age or to the time were God's spirit would be stopped to have is presence with men
and the breath in our nostrils is not God's spirit it is oxygen
T,The breath of life is the breath that gives life. Breathing is a sign of life. The living, outside their mother's womb, take in and expel air but God breaths the breath of life into us, even within our mother's womb.
The soul departs and death occurs.
The spirit departs and death occurs.
The breath departs and death occurs.The spirit seems to be a generic name for soul, possibly breath.
Kthe spirit does not go into nostrils of men
T,How do you know?
Kerwinthe breath of live comes through the action of breathing through our nostrils ,
the spirit does not come from physical action ,while the spirit can create physical actions ,through the will of that spirit ,
so the soul his that spirit and the spirit is their to become us as we are and as we make us ,by our desires , ambitions,egos,kindness ,gentleness ,righteousness, ect
Quote (abe @ May 22 2013,06:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2013,06:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2013,10:09) Gene, Can you tell me in that Ezekiel passage where it says it is about the final resurrection of all people?
So it's not that I don't think GOD means what He says. It's more a matter of I rarely agree with YOUR understanding of what God has said. See the difference?
Also, I don't have anything against physical bodies. I have no reason to believe that the bodies of angels aren't physical – and I believe those who are raised to dwell in heaven will have bodies like those of heaven now have. I believe Paul speaks of these bodies in 1 Cor 15. I also believe Jesus now has one of these bodies.
Mike…….Eze 37:12…..> Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, “O MY PEOPLE”, I will open “YOUR GRAVES” and cause you to come UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES” and bring you into the land of Israel. (13) And you shall know I am the LORD, when i have opened “YOUR GRAVES”, O “MY PEOPLE”, and brought you “UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES”, (14) And shall put “MY SPIRIT” in you, and you shall live in your “OWN LAND”, then you shall know that i the LORD have spoken it and “PERFORMED” it, says the LORD .Mike this is not Metaphoric language, you can try to change the wording and dance all around it all you want to, trying desperately to Philosophy your way out of this truth , but you are then going against clearly written Scriptures of a “PHYSICAL” RESURRECTION> IMO
Paul plainly said, “FOR WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE RESURECTION, THAT WILL WITTNESS , THE “REDEMPTION” OF OUR “BODIES”. Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Hi Gene,(Quote)
Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO1Cor.15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable [body], it is raised an imperishable [body]; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
Rom.12:5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
Peace brother..
Abe………Notice the Word “IT” so what is the “IT” that is sown in corruption a Natural “DEAD”Body, without life, when “IT” is sown< and is it not the SAME "IT" that is raised a SPIRITUAL BODY? So what is the Difference , only this when it was Sown "IT" (the Body was dead) and what is resurrected is the Same "IT", only Spiritually Activated (therefor alive), again, by GOD, Because a Body without Spirit can not Live. Paul was not saying we are going to be some "SPIRIT BODY" because Spirit do not have Bodies of any kind. IMOGod said in Ezekiel He would Put “HIS” SPIRIT “IN” those resurrected Bodies. And they Shall LIVE again. It takes both a Physical body and Spirit to make a person a “LIVING SOUL,” and that person is spiritually activated, that even applies to the way we are now. No physical created living thing is not Spiritually activated even Now. IMO
peace and love to you and yours brother…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 22 2013,20:27) Quote (abe @ May 22 2013,06:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2013,06:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2013,10:09) Gene, Can you tell me in that Ezekiel passage where it says it is about the final resurrection of all people?
So it's not that I don't think GOD means what He says. It's more a matter of I rarely agree with YOUR understanding of what God has said. See the difference?
Also, I don't have anything against physical bodies. I have no reason to believe that the bodies of angels aren't physical – and I believe those who are raised to dwell in heaven will have bodies like those of heaven now have. I believe Paul speaks of these bodies in 1 Cor 15. I also believe Jesus now has one of these bodies.
Mike…….Eze 37:12…..> Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, “O MY PEOPLE”, I will open “YOUR GRAVES” and cause you to come UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES” and bring you into the land of Israel. (13) And you shall know I am the LORD, when i have opened “YOUR GRAVES”, O “MY PEOPLE”, and brought you “UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES”, (14) And shall put “MY SPIRIT” in you, and you shall live in your “OWN LAND”, then you shall know that i the LORD have spoken it and “PERFORMED” it, says the LORD .Mike this is not Metaphoric language, you can try to change the wording and dance all around it all you want to, trying desperately to Philosophy your way out of this truth , but you are then going against clearly written Scriptures of a “PHYSICAL” RESURRECTION> IMO
Paul plainly said, “FOR WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE RESURECTION, THAT WILL WITTNESS , THE “REDEMPTION” OF OUR “BODIES”. Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Hi Gene,(Quote)
Paul never spoke of a “SPIRIT BODY” but a Physical Body, SPRITUALLY ACTIVATED, A physical body keep alive by the Spirit of God in it, Just as Jesus has now. IMO1Cor.15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable [body], it is raised an imperishable [body]; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual [body].
Rom.12:5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
Peace brother..
Abe………Notice the Word “IT” so what is the “IT” that is sown in corruption a Natural “DEAD”Body, without life, when “IT” is sown< and is it not the SAME "IT" that is raised a SPIRITUAL BODY? So what is the Difference , only this when it was Sown "IT" (the Body was dead) and what is resurrected is the Same "IT", only Spiritually Activated (therefor alive), again, by GOD, Because a Body without Spirit can not Live. Paul was not saying we are going to be some "SPIRIT BODY" because Spirit do not have Bodies of any kind. IMOGod said in Ezekiel He would Put “HIS” SPIRIT “IN” those resurrected Bodies. And they Shall LIVE again. It takes both a Physical body and Spirit to make a person a “LIVING SOUL,” and that person is spiritually activated, that even applies to the way we are now. No physical created living thing is not Spiritually activated even Now. IMO
peace and love to you and yours brother…………………….gene
GeneQuote God said in Ezekiel He would Put “HIS” SPIRIT “IN” those resurrected Bodies you right ;After that, he must be set free for a short time.
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.BUT FIRST THEY HAVE TO BE JUDGED IN THEIR WAYS ;AND IT SEEMS THAT THOSE WHO HAVE SUCCEEDED RECEIVE LIFE IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION .
Terricca……….I agree with that Pierre…..The First resurrection takes place at the return of Jesus and all who are found worthy to attain unto that resurrection will reign as Priests and Kings , with Jesus. They will have Physical resurrected Bodies with the Spirit of the Living God “IN” them Just as Jesus did also, and at the end of the thousand year period the Second resurrection takes place. And all of them are judged according to what they have done in their lives. The Saints are being Judged Now, as Peter said , Knowing this, that the fiery Trial which has tried you as if some strange thing has happened unto you”, and again , For judgment begins at the household of God, and again, God disciplines his Children and scourges “EVERY” Son he excepts. We all have and must continue to overcome, Just as Jesus did with the Holy Spirit given to us we must overcome this World and the things in it, and become Obedient to Our GOD and Jesus' GOD. Our heavenly Father and His Heavenly Father.
Till “WE ALL” come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a “prefect man”, unto the measure of the stature of the “fullness of Christ:
peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ May 22 2013,08:53) Kerwin the breath of live comes through the action of breathing through our nostrils ,
the spirit does not come from physical action ,while the spirit can create physical actions ,through the will of that spirit ,
so the soul his that spirit and the spirit is their to become us as we are and as we make us ,by our desires , ambitions,egos,kindness ,gentleness ,righteousness, ect
T,God breath his breath, which is called the breath of life, into Adam's nostrils. The breath comes from God. God's breath is not like ours as he is the creator of air and the ability to breath it.
Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2013,23:58) Mike,
This is what I understand.1 When humanity began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 God’s human sons saw that noGod’s human daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain in humanity forever, for they are flesh; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when God’s human sons went to noGod’s human daughters and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, males of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of humanity had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the humanity was only evil all the time.
6 The Lord regretted that he had made humanity on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the humanity I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
God’s parentage has precedence over humanity and noGod is a word I invented to speak of those, even atheist and agnostics, whose God is not Jehovah.
So you had to INVENT your own word to make the claim that Seth's offspring mated with Cain's offspring?Why were their offspring “the heroes of old, men of renown”? What was different about them than anyone else?
Were these “hybrids” of Cain's and Seth's line mightier somehow than the uninterrupted line of Seth? If so, why?
Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,00:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2013,07:28) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,19:19) Ghosts have form but cannot be touched nor can they touch.
Where in scripture did you learn this?Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,19:19) God has no form as he is not created.
Where in scripture did you learn this one? Phil 2 says Jesus was existing in the form of God. How could that be if God has no form?Also, if God cannot be touched, and ghosts cannot be touched, is God a ghost? If not, why not?
Mike,The apostles who saw Jesus and thought he was a ghost and Jesus' words and actions about touching him. The witch of Endor also saw a form. The disciple stated Rhoda probably saw Peter's messenger, a type of “ghost” sighting common to this day.
Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,00:14) The apostles who saw Jesus and thought he was a ghost……..
The Greek word used means “spirit”.Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,00:14) The witch of Endor also saw a form.
The medium (not “witch”) that Saul consulted in Endor saw a form that she called a “god” – not a “ghost”.Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,00:14) The disciple stated Rhoda probably saw Peter's messenger, a type of “ghost” sighting common to this day.
This story is unfamiliar to me. Please list the scripture.Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,00:35) Mike, Quote Where in scripture did you learn this one? Phil 2 says Jesus was existing in the form of God. How could that be if God has no form? Also, if God cannot be touched, and ghosts cannot be touched, is God a ghost? If not, why not?
Outward forms are a thing of creation. God created matter/energy or anything that serves the same purpose. There was no space or time before God set off the big bang. Outward forms require space to exist.
Kerwin,You know nothing about the state of things before God started creating. You know nothing about space, time, or anything else that is above your “pay grade”. So please don't embarrass yourself by implying you do.
You say outward forms are a thing of creation, yet Paul speaks in Phil 2 about the form of God.
You can't possibly KNOW that forms are EXCLUSIVELY a thing of creation, and so once again you embarrass yourself by making such a statement.
I will take Paul's inspired words over yours every day of the week.
Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,13:32) Abe, Paul speaks of a soulish body that some translate as a natural body, even then they are speaking in the carnal, worldly sense.
Okay gentlemen,2 Corinthians 5
1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.1. Will those of us who dwell in heaven have a body? YES or NO?
2. Will that body be the same “earthly tent” in which we now live – or a new, eternal “heavenly dwelling”? WHICH ONE?
3. Will these heavenly dwellings be made of flesh? Or will they “not be built by human hands”? (Compare Paul's idiom, “built by human hands”, with Jesus' teaching that “flesh gives birth to flesh”. If God grants you light, you will be able to see one more confirmation that bodies in heaven are not flesh, because a flesh body is a body that has been metaphorically “built by human hands”. And these are NOT the bodies those in heaven have.)
Okay, on to this “soulish”, or “soulical” body discussion. (My word-check program doesn't know either of those words, and is showing a red line under them, thinking I have misspelled something.
)But anyway, are you guys (Kerwin and Abe) claiming that heavenly beings DON'T have souls? YES or NO?
Are you claiming that a human being's soul is a part of his body? YES or NO?
Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2013,23:42) Quote (terraricca @ May 22 2013,08:53) Kerwin the breath of live comes through the action of breathing through our nostrils ,
the spirit does not come from physical action ,while the spirit can create physical actions ,through the will of that spirit ,
so the soul his that spirit and the spirit is their to become us as we are and as we make us ,by our desires , ambitions,egos,kindness ,gentleness ,righteousness, ect
T,God breath his breath, which is called the breath of life, into Adam's nostrils. The breath comes from God. God's breath is not like ours as he is the creator of air and the ability to breath it.
KerwinGod breathed THE BREATH OF LIVE INTO ADAM NOSTRILS
IT SEEMS TO ME YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THAT GOD STARTED ADAM LIFE WITH HIS FIRST BREATH ,
SORRY FOR YOU ,THIS IS A SIMPLE ACTION THAT IS REPEATED FOR EVERY NEW BORN THAT COMES INTO THIS WORLD ,
THEY ALL TAKEN THEIR FIRST BREATH INTO THE WORLD LIFE THROUGH THEIR NOSTRILS
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