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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,11:29) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2013,07:27) So indeed our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against human beings being effected by the darken Spirits in them and even against these same evil forces in the heavenly realms.
Gene,Your own words contradict themselves, since a “human being” IS “flesh and blood”.
I didn't see any answer to my point anywhere in your post.
Gene, do you believe that love ITSELF is “God Almighty, our heavenly Father”? YES or NO?
Do you believe that power ITSELF is “God Almighty, our heavenly Father”? YES or NO?
Mike…….. My word do not contradict themselves, we do not struggle against flesh and blood bodies, we struggle against the spirits that are driving them, that exist “in” those flesh and blood bodies. While human beings have flesh bodies those bodies aren't the problem it's what is at work “in” those bodies , their spirits . What is amazing is how you can't even understand that.NO I do not believe God is “TOTALLY” LOVE, no more then I believe we are totally love, Love is an ATRIBUTE as I have said before. I believe God's overall expression is love toward all his creation. Love is definitely a distinct part of who God “IS”. WISDOM is also PART of WHO God “IS” as we'll as “ALL KNOWING” . These all are just SOME of the “ATTRIBUTES” OF OUR ONLY TRUE GOD.
NO I do not believe that “POWER” “ITSELF” GOD ALMIGHTY, power alone does not make a God of any kind as I have clearly explained it to you before . To make a ” TRUE” GOD it takes “BOTH” POWER, either real or imaginary, and TRUST OR FAITH IN, to make ANY THING A GOD. It also requires a form of worship.
The sun has ” POWER” but is it a “God” ? , to those who “WORSHIP” it, it is a GOD, Like to the ancient Egyptians and others. As I have said to have a TRUE God it requires, rPOWER, TOTAL FAITH IN, AND a form of WORSHIP ALSO, IMO.Mike show me where my words contradicted themselves. False accusations is the same as lying MIKE.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
Mike,Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine. T8 quoted something along the same lines about the Word in the thread about Origon in the Archaeology forum.
Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,23:59) I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Come on Kerwin,If what you are saying was complete, then when I poetically say “Jesus is love”, everyone can conclude that love itself is Jesus. Then, if we add that to your claim that love itself is God, we can all conclude that Jesus must BE God – because they are both love, and love is both of them.
Just do the test I've posted over and over for you, Kerwin – to see if you're right.
Is power itself “God Almighty”?
Is justice itself “God Almighty”?
Is light itself “God Almighty”?
Is faithfulness itself “God Almighty”?
If you can't answer “YES” to all of these, then you are barking up the wrong tree.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 26 2013,08:41) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2013,07:27) our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against human beings Mike show me where my words contradicted themselves. False accusations is the same as lying MIKE.
It's in the quote box above, Gene.Paul's statement means that our struggle is NOT against human beings, but against the spiritual powers of darkness. That's what he means when he says our struggle is not against “flesh and blood”. He means “human beings”.
So your above statement contradicts itself. If you'd like, we could put it to a poll to see if anyone else agrees with me. Or, you could ask your buddy Kerwin right now. Or Ed. Or anyone else.
I'm glad you agree that power and love are not God Himself.
Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,15:40) Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine.
Then say, Love is a divine quality, or Love is a divine attribute…………. just don't say Love is God.Because the first two are most likely correct, while the last one is definitely not correct.
Angels are “divine”, Kerwin. Does that make them God Almighty Himself? Of course not. So why would love being a divine attribute make it be God Almighty Himself?
Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,03:40) Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
Mike,Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine. T8 quoted something along the same lines about the Word in the thread about Origon in the Archaeology forum.
Kerwinit seems you have learned nothing through our conversation ,why ??
Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2013,06:50) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,03:40) Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
Mike,Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine. T8 quoted something along the same lines about the Word in the thread about Origon in the Archaeology forum.
Kerwinit seems you have learned nothing through our conversation ,why ??
T,Because you choose to insist your word it true despite all evidence to the contrary.
Reasoning involves not only making a claim but also revealing the work that brought you to those conclusions the both can be cross examined.
At this point you choose to ignore any evidence that disagrees with you. You can't even explain why you believe “is” is not a synonym of “equals”.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 27 2013,09:40) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 26 2013,08:41) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2013,07:27) our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against human beings Mike show me where my words contradicted themselves. False accusations is the same as lying MIKE.
It's in the quote box above, Gene.Paul's statement means that our struggle is NOT against human beings, but against the spiritual powers of darkness. That's what he means when he says our struggle is not against “flesh and blood”. He means “human beings”.
So your above statement contradicts itself. If you'd like, we could put it to a poll to see if anyone else agrees with me. Or, you could ask your buddy Kerwin right now. Or Ed. Or anyone else.
I'm glad you agree that power and love are not God Himself.
Mike…… Yes please do ask them and make sure you quote the “whole” sentence instead just part of it as you are so accustomed to do. Your half truths are revealing more and more of how you do things Mike. It shows bad form Mike. Please quote my complete sentences from now on, if you are going to quote me OK.Now what was,said was our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against human beings who are being effected by those darken spirits working in them causing them to do the things they do, and this applies also to the heavenly realm also.
These evil spirits cause them to do the things they do and it does work against us all and but it no the FLESH AND BLOOD PART OF THEM, BUT THOSE SPIRITS CAUSING THEM TO ACT THE WAY THEY DO? Anyone who read what I wrote in that post should have no problem understanding what I meant.
That is exactly what Paul meant. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 27 2013,10:40) Mike…… Yes please do ask them…………. Now what was,said was our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against human beings who are being effected by those darken spirits working in them causing them to do the things they do, and this applies also to the heavenly realm also.
Okay Gene.Kerwin, do you see the contradiction in Gene's bolded words above?
Ed?
Anyone else?
Because I'm seeing: Our struggle is NOT against flesh and blood (human beings), but instead it IS against human beings who are affected by evil spirits.
And to me, this seems contradictory. Is our struggle against human beings, or isn't it?
Which one did Paul say? And which one is Gene saying.
(Of course we all already know that Gene only sees things the way he does because, unlike what he so often posts to others here, it is HIM who doesn't understand what a spirit it, and HIM who doesn't understand that “spirits”, such as angels and demons, are real, live, actual BEINGS who have their own minds and wills.)
Anyone else want to add to my conclusion?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 28 2013,00:47) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 27 2013,10:40) Mike…… Yes please do ask them…………. Now what was,said was our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against human beings who are being effected by those darken spirits working in them causing them to do the things they do, and this applies also to the heavenly realm also.
Okay Gene.Kerwin, do you see the contradiction in Gene's bolded words above?
Ed?
Anyone else?
Because I'm seeing: Our struggle is NOT against flesh and blood (human beings), but instead it IS against human beings who are affected by evil spirits.
And to me, this seems contradictory. Is our struggle against human beings, or isn't it?
Which one did Paul say? And which one is Gene saying.
(Of course we all already know that Gene only sees things the way he does because, unlike what he so often posts to others here, it is HIM who doesn't understand what a spirit it, and HIM who doesn't understand that “spirits”, such as angels and demons, are real, live, actual BEINGS who have their own minds and wills.)
Anyone else want to add to my conclusion?
Mike and Gene,We are to fight the evil spirits that are in ourselves and others and not the person(s) themselves. Our weapons are not the weapons of this world.
Gene may be saying the same thing.
Mike, T, and all;
Quote This would have the same meaning but a different emphasis than the previous list item. This version would put the emphasis on the Word rather than on the nature he possessed. According to Phillip Harner the correct interpretation of John 1:1 is that the Word possessed the nature of God in the beginning.
So applying the pattern “the Word is God” to the clause “Love is God” you get that Love possesses the nature of God. The same goes for other attributes of God, including his Spirit.
Note: Here is my source. T8 quoted it in another forum.
Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2013,05:09) Mike, T, and all; Quote This would have the same meaning but a different emphasis than the previous list item. This version would put the emphasis on the Word rather than on the nature he possessed. According to Phillip Harner the correct interpretation of John 1:1 is that the Word possessed the nature of God in the beginning.
So applying the pattern “the Word is God” to the clause “Love is God” you get that Love possesses the nature of God. The same goes for other attributes of God, including his Spirit.
Note: Here is my source. T8 quoted it in another forum.
Kerwin'Quote According to Phillip Harner the correct interpretation of John 1:1 this is a man ,why would he be right
according to scriptures God can only be GOD ;he can not be what he possesses,(like his qualities,attributes )
GOD HIS A SPIRIT BEING
Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,13:46) Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2013,06:50) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,03:40) Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
Mike,Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine. T8 quoted something along the same lines about the Word in the thread about Origon in the Archaeology forum.
Kerwinit seems you have learned nothing through our conversation ,why ??
T,Because you choose to insist your word it true despite all evidence to the contrary.
Reasoning involves not only making a claim but also revealing the work that brought you to those conclusions the both can be cross examined.
At this point you choose to ignore any evidence that disagrees with you. You can't even explain why you believe “is” is not a synonym of “equals”.
KERWINyou are with a word ,i go by what the entire scriptures are telling me of what God his ,it is God himself that make him known to us ,
and with many words in many ways ,BUT YOU ARE STUCK ON ONE WORD ,AND LOOK FOR TRUTH IN OTHER MAN INTERPRETATION ;WEN THE BIBLE GIVES SO MUCH EXPLANATION ABOUT GOD YOU DO NOT EVEN TRY TO SUM IT UP AND SEE,TO UNDERSTAND,
YOUR EVIDENCE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL ,SHOW ME SCRIPTURES FIRST AND LET SEE IF YOU CAN REFUTE WHAT I HAVE SAID ,
Quote (terraricca @ April 28 2013,07:24) Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2013,05:09) Mike, T, and all; Quote This would have the same meaning but a different emphasis than the previous list item. This version would put the emphasis on the Word rather than on the nature he possessed. According to Phillip Harner the correct interpretation of John 1:1 is that the Word possessed the nature of God in the beginning.
So applying the pattern “the Word is God” to the clause “Love is God” you get that Love possesses the nature of God. The same goes for other attributes of God, including his Spirit.
Note: Here is my source. T8 quoted it in another forum.
Kerwin'Quote According to Phillip Harner the correct interpretation of John 1:1 this is a man ,why would he be right
according to scriptures God can only be GOD ;he can not be what he possesses,(like his qualities,attributes )
GOD HIS A SPIRIT BEING
T,Phillip B Harner PHD is a Trinitarian source quoted by the JW's to support their translation of John 1:1. Offhand I believe that it is possible that he uses nature as a synonym for kind as that is in keeping with the general interpretation if certain passages used by Trinitarians.
He is not alone supporting this version of John 1:1 though he does oppose the JW's version.
Quote (terraricca @ April 28 2013,07:32) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,13:46) Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2013,06:50) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,03:40) Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
Mike,Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine. T8 quoted something along the same lines about the Word in the thread about Origon in the Archaeology forum.
Kerwinit seems you have learned nothing through our conversation ,why ??
T,Because you choose to insist your word it true despite all evidence to the contrary.
Reasoning involves not only making a claim but also revealing the work that brought you to those conclusions the both can be cross examined.
At this point you choose to ignore any evidence that disagrees with you. You can't even explain why you believe “is” is not a synonym of “equals”.
KERWINyou are with a word ,i go by what the entire scriptures are telling me of what God his ,it is God himself that make him known to us ,
and with many words in many ways ,BUT YOU ARE STUCK ON ONE WORD ,AND LOOK FOR TRUTH IN OTHER MAN INTERPRETATION ;WEN THE BIBLE GIVES SO MUCH EXPLANATION ABOUT GOD YOU DO NOT EVEN TRY TO SUM IT UP AND SEE,TO UNDERSTAND,
YOUR EVIDENCE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL ,SHOW ME SCRIPTURES FIRST AND LET SEE IF YOU CAN REFUTE WHAT I HAVE SAID ,
T,Why should I quote Scriptures you do not understand?
I instead seek to discuss Scriptures so as to come to understand them.
Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,18:13) Quote (terraricca @ April 28 2013,07:32) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,13:46) Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2013,06:50) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,03:40) Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
Mike,Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine. T8 quoted something along the same lines about the Word in the thread about Origon in the Archaeology forum.
Kerwinit seems you have learned nothing through our conversation ,why ??
T,Because you choose to insist your word it true despite all evidence to the contrary.
Reasoning involves not only making a claim but also revealing the work that brought you to those conclusions the both can be cross examined.
At this point you choose to ignore any evidence that disagrees with you. You can't even explain why you believe “is” is not a synonym of “equals”.
KERWINyou are with a word ,i go by what the entire scriptures are telling me of what God his ,it is God himself that make him known to us ,
and with many words in many ways ,BUT YOU ARE STUCK ON ONE WORD ,AND LOOK FOR TRUTH IN OTHER MAN INTERPRETATION ;WEN THE BIBLE GIVES SO MUCH EXPLANATION ABOUT GOD YOU DO NOT EVEN TRY TO SUM IT UP AND SEE,TO UNDERSTAND,
YOUR EVIDENCE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL ,SHOW ME SCRIPTURES FIRST AND LET SEE IF YOU CAN REFUTE WHAT I HAVE SAID ,
T,Why should I quote Scriptures you do not understand?
I instead seek to discuss Scriptures so as to come to understand them.
Hi Kerwin,Amen.
Peace.
Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2013,08:09) Quote (terraricca @ April 28 2013,07:24) Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2013,05:09) Mike, T, and all; Quote This would have the same meaning but a different emphasis than the previous list item. This version would put the emphasis on the Word rather than on the nature he possessed. According to Phillip Harner the correct interpretation of John 1:1 is that the Word possessed the nature of God in the beginning.
So applying the pattern “the Word is God” to the clause “Love is God” you get that Love possesses the nature of God. The same goes for other attributes of God, including his Spirit.
Note: Here is my source. T8 quoted it in another forum.
Kerwin'Quote According to Phillip Harner the correct interpretation of John 1:1 this is a man ,why would he be right
according to scriptures God can only be GOD ;he can not be what he possesses,(like his qualities,attributes )
GOD HIS A SPIRIT BEING
T,Phillip B Harner PHD is a Trinitarian source quoted by the JW's to support their translation of John 1:1. Offhand I believe that it is possible that he uses nature as a synonym for kind as that is in keeping with the general interpretation if certain passages used by Trinitarians.
He is not alone supporting this version of John 1:1 though he does oppose the JW's version.
KThis is why I go to scriptures
Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2013,08:13) Quote (terraricca @ April 28 2013,07:32) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,13:46) Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2013,06:50) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,03:40) Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
Mike,Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine. T8 quoted something along the same lines about the Word in the thread about Origon in the Archaeology forum.
Kerwinit seems you have learned nothing through our conversation ,why ??
T,Because you choose to insist your word it true despite all evidence to the contrary.
Reasoning involves not only making a claim but also revealing the work that brought you to those conclusions the both can be cross examined.
At this point you choose to ignore any evidence that disagrees with you. You can't even explain why you believe “is” is not a synonym of “equals”.
KERWINyou are with a word ,i go by what the entire scriptures are telling me of what God his ,it is God himself that make him known to us ,
and with many words in many ways ,BUT YOU ARE STUCK ON ONE WORD ,AND LOOK FOR TRUTH IN OTHER MAN INTERPRETATION ;WEN THE BIBLE GIVES SO MUCH EXPLANATION ABOUT GOD YOU DO NOT EVEN TRY TO SUM IT UP AND SEE,TO UNDERSTAND,
YOUR EVIDENCE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL ,SHOW ME SCRIPTURES FIRST AND LET SEE IF YOU CAN REFUTE WHAT I HAVE SAID ,
T,Why should I quote Scriptures you do not understand?
I instead seek to discuss Scriptures so as to come to understand them.
K
Quote (abe @ April 28 2013,09:04) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,18:13) Quote (terraricca @ April 28 2013,07:32) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,13:46) Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2013,06:50) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,03:40) Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
Mike,Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine. T8 quoted something along the same lines about the Word in the thread about Origon in the Archaeology forum.
Kerwinit seems you have learned nothing through our conversation ,why ??
T,Because you choose to insist your word it true despite all evidence to the contrary.
Reasoning involves not only making a claim but also revealing the work that brought you to those conclusions the both can be cross examined.
At this point you choose to ignore any evidence that disagrees with you. You can't even explain why you believe “is” is not a synonym of “equals”.
KERWINyou are with a word ,i go by what the entire scriptures are telling me of what God his ,it is God himself that make him known to us ,
and with many words in many ways ,BUT YOU ARE STUCK ON ONE WORD ,AND LOOK FOR TRUTH IN OTHER MAN INTERPRETATION ;WEN THE BIBLE GIVES SO MUCH EXPLANATION ABOUT GOD YOU DO NOT EVEN TRY TO SUM IT UP AND SEE,TO UNDERSTAND,
YOUR EVIDENCE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL ,SHOW ME SCRIPTURES FIRST AND LET SEE IF YOU CAN REFUTE WHAT I HAVE SAID ,
T,Why should I quote Scriptures you do not understand?
I instead seek to discuss Scriptures so as to come to understand them.
Hi Kerwin,Amen.
Peace.
AbeYou want to be fed ,but you want that the food taste and looks the way you want it
Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2013,20:51) Quote (abe @ April 28 2013,09:04) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,18:13) Quote (terraricca @ April 28 2013,07:32) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,13:46) Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2013,06:50) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,03:40) Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
Mike,Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine. T8 quoted something along the same lines about the Word in the thread about Origon in the Archaeology forum.
Kerwinit seems you have learned nothing through our conversation ,why ??
T,Because you choose to insist your word it true despite all evidence to the contrary.
Reasoning involves not only making a claim but also revealing the work that brought you to those conclusions the both can be cross examined.
At this point you choose to ignore any evidence that disagrees with you. You can't even explain why you believe “is” is not a synonym of “equals”.
KERWINyou are with a word ,i go by what the entire scriptures are telling me of what God his ,it is God himself that make him known to us ,
and with many words in many ways ,BUT YOU ARE STUCK ON ONE WORD ,AND LOOK FOR TRUTH IN OTHER MAN INTERPRETATION ;WEN THE BIBLE GIVES SO MUCH EXPLANATION ABOUT GOD YOU DO NOT EVEN TRY TO SUM IT UP AND SEE,TO UNDERSTAND,
YOUR EVIDENCE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL ,SHOW ME SCRIPTURES FIRST AND LET SEE IF YOU CAN REFUTE WHAT I HAVE SAID ,
T,Why should I quote Scriptures you do not understand?
I instead seek to discuss Scriptures so as to come to understand them.
Hi Kerwin,Amen.
Peace.
AbeYou want to be fed ,but you want that the food taste and looks the way you want it
Hi T,1Cor.1:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but One God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Ex.23:13 “Now concerning everything which I (God) have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.
but One God, the Father,
Do you understand? YET ?
Peace.
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