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Mike……….Love is being described there as an “ATTRIBUTE” of GOD, an ATTRIBUTE “IS” a part of a beings “MAKE UP”. So it is Definitely “PART” of the Being , so to say God is LOVE is saying LOVE is “PART” of who GOD is. God is Spirit , and Love is a SPIRIT which produces it own attribute, all SEVEN ATTRIBUTES of GOD are SPIRITS, they are called the SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD, love is just one of them. Nothing “POETIC” about it. It is a “LITERAL” FACT GOD Has the ATTRIBUTE of LOVE and therefore GOD “IS” LOVE You simply are only what your ATTRIBUTES ARE. Nothing more or nothing less they, (attributes) , are part of your very make up, they are who you are.
You still are not understanding what a Spirit is Mike, it is what produces our attributes we have, which are part of our very make up. Spirits gives us our “cognitive intellects” creating there influences which shows up as “attributes” in us all. Spirit come in Kinds and types, the Spirit of Love is just one of those Spirits that can work in a Person or any kind of living Soul including all animales . IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2013,10:08) Mike……….Love is being described there as an “ATTRIBUTE” of GOD, an ATTRIBUTE “IS” a part of a beings “MAKE UP”. So it is Definitely “PART” of the Being , so to say God is LOVE is saying LOVE is “PART” of who GOD is.
I agree, Gene. I agree that love is a part of who God is.Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2013,04:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2013,10:08) Mike……….Love is being described there as an “ATTRIBUTE” of GOD, an ATTRIBUTE “IS” a part of a beings “MAKE UP”. So it is Definitely “PART” of the Being , so to say God is LOVE is saying LOVE is “PART” of who GOD is.
I agree, Gene. I agree that love is a part of who God is.
Mikeit looks like finally Gene as seen the light ,i wander if he could make Kerwin also see that light
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,09:39) Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,08:35) The God is the Love therefore the Love is the God.
Kerwin,Could I poetically, out of deep love for my savior Jesus Christ, say, Jesus is love? YES or NO?
And if I did say that, could YOU then take those words, switch them around, and conclude that Love is Jesus – based only on my obviously poetic words?
Does it really work that way? If so, then why haven't you addressed my last post to you? Is power “God Himself”? Is light “God Himself”? Etc.
Mike,Power is God is just another was of saying God is powerful. power only has a likeness to electricity as electricity is matter unbound. Power is not a form of mater. Instead power formed matter and electric energy and power laid the laws of light.
Quote (terraricca @ April 23 2013,13:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2013,04:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2013,10:08) Mike……….Love is being described there as an “ATTRIBUTE” of GOD, an ATTRIBUTE “IS” a part of a beings “MAKE UP”. So it is Definitely “PART” of the Being , so to say God is LOVE is saying LOVE is “PART” of who GOD is.
I agree, Gene. I agree that love is a part of who God is.
Mikeit looks like finally Gene as seen the light ,i wander if he could make Kerwin also see that light
Terricca……….Thanks, but i have known that for 50 years now, and Kerwin also Knows it to, IMO.Well how about that we finally found something we all agree on, well thats a first.
peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 23 2013,08:05) Well how about that we finely found something we all agree on, well thats a first. 
Quote (kerwin @ April 22 2013,23:18) Power is God is just another was of saying God is powerful.
Nobody says “Power is God”, Kerwin. Nor would it be true if they did.Nobody says “Justice is God” either.
Or “Light is God”.
Or any of the other things I listed. Like I said many posts ago, you are taking this too far. Love is not God, or we Christians would worship and pray to “love itself”.
You didn't answer that one question I asked:
What if I poetically say “Jesus is love”? Would you then conclude that love is Jesus? YES or NO?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2013,07:28) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 23 2013,08:05) Well how about that we finely found something we all agree on, well thats a first.
YES I AGREEQuote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,11:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,09:39) Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,08:35) The God is the Love therefore the Love is the God.
Kerwin,Could I poetically, out of deep love for my savior Jesus Christ, say, Jesus is love? YES or NO?
And if I did say that, could YOU then take those words, switch them around, and conclude that Love is Jesus – based only on my obviously poetic words?
Does it really work that way? If so, then why haven't you addressed my last post to you? Is power “God Himself”? Is light “God Himself”? Etc.
Mike,Power is God is just another was of saying God is powerful. power only has a likeness to electricity as electricity is matter unbound. Power is not a form of mater. Instead power formed matter and electric energy and power laid the laws of light.
kERWINQuote Terricca……….Thanks, but i have known that for 50 years now, and Kerwin also Knows it to, IMO. is this true
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 24 2013,01:05) Quote (terraricca @ April 23 2013,13:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2013,04:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2013,10:08) Mike……….Love is being described there as an “ATTRIBUTE” of GOD, an ATTRIBUTE “IS” a part of a beings “MAKE UP”. So it is Definitely “PART” of the Being , so to say God is LOVE is saying LOVE is “PART” of who GOD is.
I agree, Gene. I agree that love is a part of who God is.
Mikeit looks like finally Gene as seen the light ,i wander if he could make Kerwin also see that light
Terricca……….Thanks, but i have known that for 50 years now, and Kerwin also Knows it to, IMO.Well how about that we finely found something we all agree on, well thats a first.
peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………..gene
Gene said: 'we “finely found” something we all agree on' …”finally” – I would say!
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http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ……………Sorry for the misspell, i have corrected it, thanks, Some times i get in a hurry and forget to use my spell check.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………..gene
Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,16:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,09:39) Quote (Kerwin @ April 20 2013,08:35) The God is the Love therefore the Love is the God.
Kerwin,Could I poetically, out of deep love for my savior Jesus Christ, say, Jesus is love? YES or NO?
And if I did say that, could YOU then take those words, switch them around, and conclude that Love is Jesus – based only on my obviously poetic words?
Does it really work that way? If so, then why haven't you addressed my last post to you? Is power “God Himself”? Is light “God Himself”? Etc.
Mike,Power is God is just another was of saying God is powerful. power only has a likeness to electricity as electricity is matter unbound. Power is not a form of mater. Instead power formed matter and electric energy and power laid the laws of light.
Mike…….. Kerwin is not completely wrong here. The original “PICTORIAL” word in the Hebrew writings for God was a symbol of a OX head with a STAFF beside it. . It shows God as the “POWER” (OX) and, which we trust and lean on for guidance and support the “STAFF”, So God is a Power which we trust in. Both parts are what represent a God one the power and another that which we trust in. You cannot have one part without the other. Both are required in order to be a God power and trust , have to be present in order to be a God .The power of Christ Jesus was GOD the Father not the Man Jesus himself . Remember where Jesus said , he could do “nothing ” of Himself it was the Father “IN” him doing his “WORKS” Jesus never glorified himself as any kind of God, big or “little god”, he was a son of Man who the only God was with as the “ANOINTING SPIRIT” or CHRISTOS and that Spirit of the “ONLY TRUE GOD” which was “IN” HIM Just as he said he was Mike. We Honor Jesus to the glory “OF GOD”, Mike not to the glory of the man Jesus. Jesus derives all he has from God the Father Just as we also do. Jesus would be nothing without God the Father who is the creator of all life. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2013,23:22) Gene said: 'we “finely found” something we all agree on' …”finally” – I would say!
fine·ly [fahyn-lee]
adverb1. in a fine manner; excellently
Maybe Gene really meant “finely”, Ed.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 24 2013,08:06) The power of Christ Jesus was GOD the Father not the Man Jesus himself .
Yes Gene,But Paul warns us that our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:12
Are the powers of this dark world “God Himself”? I'm just saying that power ITSELF is not God Almighty. There are many who have “power”, but don't have “God”.
Similarly, love ITSELF is not God. Even atheists can love their children, despite the fact they don't have God.
Mike……..The powers of this world are men and world leaders who control the world governments and “IF” the Spirits working “IN” them are evil then those Spirits are influencing them to do those evil works. The spirits themselves have no power but to effect what they are in which is the Power source they use human “BODIES” , Rather Clean or unclean Spirit they work the same way. So indeed our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against human beings being effected by the darken Spirits in them and even against these same evil forces in the heavenly realms. Remember LIFE consists of both Spirit forces , Good and Evil, it take both because Good explains what is evil and evil explains what is good you can't have one with out the “KNOWLEDGE” of the other We are all learning from these two forces at work in all things. IMO
But none of that make these evil forces a God of any kind unless you are worshiping them , then they are your God as i explained before the word God consists of “two” things, one “POWER” and the other, that which you “TRUST” in or put your “FAITH” in . There is no God to you without both things Power and Trust. Even the True God is no GOD “to you”, unless both of these things exist. Sincere FAITH and Worship is a REQUIREMENT for a personnel GOD. Therefore as it says, “it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God without Faith”. Faith is a requirement in worship and serving a God, any kind of God. So you can see it is not Just Power but FAITH and WORSHIP that makes a GOD. Mike there is ONLY ONE “TRUE” GOD to me, no matter how many “UNTRUE” God's men have made for themselves.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2013,06:51) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 24 2013,08:06) The power of Christ Jesus was GOD the Father not the Man Jesus himself .
Yes Gene,But Paul warns us that our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:12
Are the powers of this dark world “God Himself”? I'm just saying that power ITSELF is not God Almighty. There are many who have “power”, but don't have “God”.
Similarly, love ITSELF is not God. Even atheists can love their children, despite the fact they don't have God.
Mike,What Love is John speaking of when he states God is love?
Does John mean God is literally love?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2013,07:27) So indeed our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against human beings being effected by the darken Spirits in them and even against these same evil forces in the heavenly realms.
Gene,Your own words contradict themselves, since a “human being” IS “flesh and blood”.
I didn't see any answer to my point anywhere in your post.
Gene, do you believe that love ITSELF is “God Almighty, our heavenly Father”? YES or NO?
Do you believe that power ITSELF is “God Almighty, our heavenly Father”? YES or NO?
Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,11:35) Does John mean God is literally love?
It's poetic language, Kerwin. I could just as truthfully say “Jesus is love”.It is a poetic way of emphasizing “love” as one of God's (or Jesus') best qualities. So NO, John did not mean that God was literally the emotion of love itself. And since he DIDN'T mean that, we can't switch the words around and say “Love is God”.
God is also called a Rock, Kerwin. It doesn't mean that any particular rock on earth (or in space) is God Himself. It is poetic language.
Hey Kerwin,
I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:22) Hey Kerwin, I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:
The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and figuratively speaks of his “eyes,” “hands,” “heart,” “soul,” and so forth. He also has other attributes, among them justice, power, and wisdom. (De 32:4; Job 36:22; Re 7:12) Moreover, he has the capacity to hate, a quality the very opposite of love. His love of righteousness requires his hatred of wickedness. (De 12:31; Pr 6:16)
These are points I've already made, but they seem to have said them better than I did.
Mike,They fail to make argument to support their claim.
I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.
Merriam-Webster
Quote a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize
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