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Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,04:32) Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2013,08:11)
abehow can an LAMB marry a CITY
T,You know that answer. Are you testing if Abe has real understanding or just repeats scripture without understanding them?
Hi Kerwin,Amen.
Peace brother.
Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,04:02) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,16:53) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,06:31) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,00:12) Mike, I have already quoted someone who obviously believes there is no difference. There are others.
Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Anyway, I was hoping to find out what your cohorts had to say about it.
Mike,I took it as an insult to my intellect for even to bring it up. My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part. The statement Love is God and its reflection both mean God gives concrete existence to love.
Hi Mike,God is Love= God
Love of God= Son of God
I thought about this and hope this will help you.
Peace brother.
Abe,So you are claiming God has a relationship to his own Love that is like that of a Father to his Son.
Hi Kerwin,Love of God is part of the creation.
Maybe Mike will read this?
Peace brother.
Abe,Mike seems to try to keep up. Hopefully our conversation aids his understanding.
You did not really answer my question though I believe you tried.
It seems you started of by declaring that the relationship between God and his love is the same between a father and his heir, even his firstborn son.
I am of the opinion you are now claiming the act of creation comes from God's love.
Please confirm that I understand you correctly and if not the please try to make it more clear for me. Thank you.
Hi Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Love of God.
Rom.8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Love of money?
Peace brother.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2013,18:01) And how about now, 2B? Are they still TWO DIFFERENT sons of God? Or are they now ONE son of God? Perhaps you should first master a complete understanding of your doctrine, before trying to teach it to others.
BTW, it is VERY hard to understand that the Holy Spirit of God is the Son of God………… especially when many scriptures PROHIBIT such a thing from being true.
This is just one in a long line of twisted things non-preexisters come up with to keep Jesus from being different than the rest of us humans.
Hi Mike,Acts2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having RECEIVED of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
both Lord and Christ.
He could not give the Spirit until he was married.
Peace brother.
Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,22:26) Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,04:02) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,16:53) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,06:31) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,00:12) Mike, I have already quoted someone who obviously believes there is no difference. There are others.
Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Anyway, I was hoping to find out what your cohorts had to say about it.
Mike,I took it as an insult to my intellect for even to bring it up. My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part. The statement Love is God and its reflection both mean God gives concrete existence to love.
Hi Mike,God is Love= God
Love of God= Son of God
I thought about this and hope this will help you.
Peace brother.
Abe,So you are claiming God has a relationship to his own Love that is like that of a Father to his Son.
Hi Kerwin,Love of God is part of the creation.
Maybe Mike will read this?
Peace brother.
Abe,Mike seems to try to keep up. Hopefully our conversation aids his understanding.
You did not really answer my question though I believe you tried.
It seems you started of by declaring that the relationship between God and his love is the same between a father and his heir, even his firstborn son.
I am of the opinion you are now claiming the act of creation comes from God's love.
Please confirm that I understand you correctly and if not the please try to make it more clear for me. Thank you.
Hi Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Love of God.
Rom.8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Love of money?
Peace brother.
Abe,Mike is making that connection, not me.
When I state Love is God or God is Love it should be self evident I am obviously not speaking of the love of money.
Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,06:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,08:10) God is power, right? So do you also claim that power is God? YES or NO? And if “NO”, why not? Please explain.
Mike,I answered a number of your question, even those that seem inane. If I missed some I am not sure which ones they are.
Okay Kerwin,From a JW publication:
Some of God’s primary attributes are love (1Jo 4:8), wisdom (Pr 2:6; Ro 11:33), justice (De 32:4; Lu 18:7, 8), and power (Job 37:23; Lu 1:35).Now even though I just saw this JW statement for the first time today, I see that they listed the same things I listed in the post you say you answered, but really didn't. In fact, read my question in the quote box above, and tell me how any of the words you wrote in response actually ANSWER that question.
You guys are “waxing philosophical” here. You are taking John's POETIC language, and trying to understand it LITERALLY. Kerwin, if Love is God, you should WORSHIP love itself, right? If Love is God, then love itself created all things. If love is God, then it is love itself that HATES the wicked. (Ps 11:5) Can LOVE HATE, Kerwin?
If Love is God, then an atheist cannot possibly love anyone or anything, because he doesn't have God. Do you suppose that atheists are incapable of love, Kerwin?
I was an atheist when my son was born, and I loved him every bit as deeply then as I love him now that God is in my life.
Read what the JWs wrote above, Kerwin. “Love” is one of God's many ATTRIBUTES – just like the rest of their list. And even though all of these ATTRIBUTES can POETICALLY be said the same way John said “God is love”, the CONVERSE is not also true. For example, I could POETICALLY say “Jesus is love”……. AND IT WOULD BE TRUE! Would you then claim that love is JESUS?
Like I said, you are taking this POETIC statement too far. So let's go down the list again:
God is wisdom………… is wisdom “God”? YES or NO?
God is justice…………. is justice “God”? YES or NO?
God is power…………. is power “God”? YES or NO?
Kerwin, THESE are the DIRECT questions to which I expect a DIRECT “Yes” or “No” answer from you. THEN you can say you answered my questions.
Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,17:21) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,22:26)
Love of money?
Abe,Mike is making that connection, not me.
When I state Love is God or God is Love it should be self evident I am obviously not speaking of the love of money.
Okay, so switch “love of money” to a more pure kind of love, such as the “love of a child”. Can atheists who don't have God love their children? YES or NO?Mike…….All our attributes are part of us right, or why is it called an attribute then, they are present with us or why call them attributes at all. Wisdom is a part of who God is just as all seven Spirit are part of GOD. When we say this attribute existed with him or her it is because it is present with that person right. Attributes are produced by those spirits dwelling in us right ?
Therefore if the love of God dwell in you , you then have Gods very own attribute of love in you also, and because of that spirit attribute being “IN” you , you will respond even as GOD would. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours ………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,16:19) Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,17:21) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,22:26)
Love of money?
Abe,Mike is making that connection, not me.
When I state Love is God or God is Love it should be self evident I am obviously not speaking of the love of money.
Okay, so switch “love of money” to a more pure kind of love, such as the “love of a child”. Can atheists who don't have God love their children? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,1Jn.4:16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1Jn.1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is NO DARKNESS at all.
1Jn.4:20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has NOT seen.
1Jn.3:17 But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?
Republicans? Democrats Care.
Peace brother
Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,21:18) Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,04:32) Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2013,08:11)
abehow can an LAMB marry a CITY
T,You know that answer. Are you testing if Abe has real understanding or just repeats scripture without understanding them?
Hi Kerwin,Amen.
Peace brother.
ABEand so you think that you have answered my question
you have run away from it
yes ??I don't think Abe has actually ANSWERED a question since he's been here!
But he means well, and I enjoy reading the scriptures he posts – even if they don't have anything to do with the questions we've asked him.
Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,05:21) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,22:26) Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,04:02) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,16:53) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,06:31) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,00:12) Mike, I have already quoted someone who obviously believes there is no difference. There are others.
Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Anyway, I was hoping to find out what your cohorts had to say about it.
Mike,I took it as an insult to my intellect for even to bring it up. My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part. The statement Love is God and its reflection both mean God gives concrete existence to love.
Hi Mike,God is Love= God
Love of God= Son of God
I thought about this and hope this will help you.
Peace brother.
Abe,So you are claiming God has a relationship to his own Love that is like that of a Father to his Son.
Hi Kerwin,Love of God is part of the creation.
Maybe Mike will read this?
Peace brother.
Abe,Mike seems to try to keep up. Hopefully our conversation aids his understanding.
You did not really answer my question though I believe you tried.
It seems you started of by declaring that the relationship between God and his love is the same between a father and his heir, even his firstborn son.
I am of the opinion you are now claiming the act of creation comes from God's love.
Please confirm that I understand you correctly and if not the please try to make it more clear for me. Thank you.
Hi Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Love of God.
Rom.8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Love of money?
Peace brother.
Abe,Mike is making that connection, not me.
When I state Love is God or God is Love it should be self evident I am obviously not speaking of the love of money.
kerwinQuote When I state Love is God or God is Love it should be self evident I am obviously not speaking of the love of money. you did not speak about the LOVE OF MONEY but you spoke and said that God his LOVE and so that all LOVES ARE OF GOD ,THIS IS WHAT MIKE TRY TO TELL YOU ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU ARE NOT READY TO UNDERSTAND THIS ,
AND FOR THAT VERY REASON ,LOVE CAN NOT BE GOD ,
SO YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE RUN AWAY FROM THEM ,
THEIR ARE MANY SORTS OF LOVE BUT THEIR IS ONLY ONE TRUE LOVE ,AND THAT IS THE LOVE THAT GOD AS TOWARD HIS OWN CREATION, IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS
Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2013,20:34) THEIR ARE MANY SORTS OF LOVE BUT THEIR IS ONLY ONE TRUE LOVE ,AND THAT IS THE LOVE THAT GOD AS TOWARD HIS OWN CREATION, IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS
And even so, we still couldn't say this “true love” actually IS God Himself. Instead, it is one of God's MANY attributes.John was speaking poetically when he said “God is love”. Kerwin seems unable to see this. And worse than that, HIS claim that “Love is God” isn't even in any scripture – not even as a poetic statement.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,08:43) Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2013,20:34) THEIR ARE MANY SORTS OF LOVE BUT THEIR IS ONLY ONE TRUE LOVE ,AND THAT IS THE LOVE THAT GOD AS TOWARD HIS OWN CREATION, IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS
And even so, we still couldn't say this “true love” actually IS God Himself. Instead, it is one of God's MANY attributes.John was speaking poetically when he said “God is love”. Kerwin seems unable to see this. And worse than that, HIS claim that “Love is God” isn't even in any scripture – not even as a poetic statement.
yes Mike ,true love can only be given by God our father , because true love gives and does not take in return ,even if we love our God and father we still do it for our own personal good ,and so have a profit in it ,I agree with you ,but also John explain how to love God and be Loved by him in return ,and so did Christ and the other apostles
any one who does not read the whole scriptures ,or as an personal agenda this could be seen in his responses,
Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2013,18:27) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,21:18) Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,04:32) Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2013,08:11)
abehow can an LAMB marry a CITY
T,You know that answer. Are you testing if Abe has real understanding or just repeats scripture without understanding them?
Hi Kerwin,Amen.
Peace brother.
ABEand so you think that you have answered my question
you have run away from it
yes ??
Hi T,Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,07:55)
Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,21:00)
1. The Lamb married Holy Jerusalem.2. Holy Jerusalem is the CHURCH.
3. Holy Jerusalem is not God.
4. New Jerusalem was born from the Dead.
1. This WILL happen, but it hasn't happened yet, IMO.
2. I don't know.
3. Agreed.
4. I don't know.
Abe, what does any of this have to do with our current discussion?
abe
how can an LAMB marry a CITY
Why do you ask this question?
1. The Lamb married Holy Jerusalem.
1. This WILL happen, but it hasn't happened yet, IMO.
You just said this will happen,but it hasn't yet. IMO.
Eph.5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Peace
Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,08:34) kerwin,April wrote:[quote=abe,April 19 2013,22:26]
kerwinQuote When I state Love is God or God is Love it should be self evident I am obviously not speaking of the love of money. you did not speak about the LOVE OF MONEY but you spoke and said that God his LOVE and so that all LOVES ARE OF GOD ,THIS IS WHAT MIKE TRY TO TELL YOU ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU ARE NOT READY TO UNDERSTAND THIS ,
AND FOR THAT VERY REASON ,LOVE CAN NOT BE GOD ,
SO YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE RUN AWAY FROM THEM ,
THEIR ARE MANY SORTS OF LOVE BUT THEIR IS ONLY ONE TRUE LOVE ,AND THAT IS THE LOVE THAT GOD AS TOWARD HIS OWN CREATION, IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS
T,I have no idea which questions of yours I did not answer. I do not always understand they are questions when I read your posts as I am limited. I also miss posts.
Mike's point seems silly to me. I have explained why. Silly points seem to be diversions from the topic.
The God is the Love therefore the Love is the God.
The clause itself tells what love is being spoken of, that is the way English handles it. The Koine Greek uses “philargyria” for the “love” in the Love of Money and “agapē” for “love” in God is “love”. So at the least anyone fluent in English should recognize that the “love” in Love is God and God is Love is agape type love and not philargyria type love.
God is love and love is God is speaking of “THE LOVE THAT GOD AS TOWARD HIS OWN CREATION”.
Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,20:35) Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,08:34) kerwin,April wrote:[quote=abe,April 19 2013,22:26]
kerwinQuote When I state Love is God or God is Love it should be self evident I am obviously not speaking of the love of money. you did not speak about the LOVE OF MONEY but you spoke and said that God his LOVE and so that all LOVES ARE OF GOD ,THIS IS WHAT MIKE TRY TO TELL YOU ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU ARE NOT READY TO UNDERSTAND THIS ,
AND FOR THAT VERY REASON ,LOVE CAN NOT BE GOD ,
SO YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE RUN AWAY FROM THEM ,
THEIR ARE MANY SORTS OF LOVE BUT THEIR IS ONLY ONE TRUE LOVE ,AND THAT IS THE LOVE THAT GOD AS TOWARD HIS OWN CREATION, IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS
T,I have no idea which questions of yours I did not answer. I do not always understand they are questions when I read your posts as I am limited. I also miss posts.
Mike's point seems silly to me. I have explained why. Silly points seem to be diversions from the topic.
The God is the Love therefore the Love is the God.
The clause itself tells what love is being spoken of, that is the way English handles it. The Koine Greek uses “philargyria” for the “love” in the Love of Money and “agapē” for “love” in God is “love”. So at the least anyone fluent in English should recognize that the “love” in Love is God and God is Love is agape type love and not philargyria type love.
God is love and love is God is speaking of “THE LOVE THAT GOD AS TOWARD HIS OWN CREATION”.
KerwinIT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR “LOVE TO BE GOD “I EXPLAIN IT TO YOU ,BUT YOU SEEM NOT READING IT ,YOUR STUBBORNNESS,IN REMAINING ON THOSE WORDS IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU ,AND WHOEVER LISTEN TO THAT ,
PROVE YOUR POINT “GOD IS NOT ALGEBRA ” THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY AND GOD'S POSSESSIONS ARE NOT HIM ,
JUST AS YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN LOVE ;OR YOUR ANGER, OR YOUR JOY,
DO NOT BECOME A FALSE TEACHER ,
k
Quote T, I have no idea which questions of yours I did not answer. I do not always understand they are questions when I read your posts as I am limited. I also miss posts.
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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,09:38)14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
If the Word was God Himself-Made-Flesh (as Kerwin's new kick dictates), why did this Word have the glory of an only begotten Son from the Father?
Wouldn't God Himself dwell on earth with the glory of GOD? Please explain.
Mike,
In the beginning the Love was with the God and the Love was God.
Kerwin,
When you can show me your statement in the scriptures, I'll be happy to discuss it.
Right now, I'd appreciate DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions above. Thanks.
Mike,
I read Jesus' teachings and imitate his methods. John writes that God is Love twice, 1 John 4:8 and 16.
Since God is Love the reverse is true and Love is God.
The statement all God is all Love is false as it its reverse. Love is just and aspect of God. Both God is Love and Love is God expresses this.
I am convinced God was Love and Love was God in the beginning.
Now that answers your objections. The answer to my question is that there is two the Loves and not two Jehovahs. Everyone knows that each Love is an instance of Love.
The same pattern applies to “the Word is with God and the Word is God”.
K
God is love , but common sens and other scriptures tells that Love is not God ,and that GOD HAS LOVE AND HE HIS NOT LOVE ,love is not a being ,but a quality of God given also to men and miss used by men.
T,
It may seem common sense to you but others disagree.
K
Any one can disagree with everything ,but it does not mean that is disagreement is true or the truth ,unless you answer the WHY ???question .
————–
T,
My answer was and is the type:
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Hope is GodHope begins with God. It is God who gives us the energy and hopes to deal with. God is the way to get hopes. If there was no supernatural power then hopes can not {sic} be turned into reality. Hope is the power which gives energy to individuals. We often hear cases when individuals are cheated or ditched. That does not mean that it is the end of the world. One experience that everyone has to face is Hardships. No one is spared from that.
Applied to Love it is:
Love is God
Love begins with God. It is God who gives us the energy and Love to deal with life. God is the way to get Love. If there was no supernatural power then Love cannot be realized. Love is the power which gives energy to individuals. We often hear cases when individuals are cheated or ditched. That does not mean that it is the end of the world. One experience that everyone has to face is Hardships. No one is spared from that
Note: Type is from this site
Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2013,18:17) T, My answer was and is the type:
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Hope is GodHope begins with God. It is God who gives us the energy and hopes to deal with. God is the way to get hopes. If there was no supernatural power then hopes can not {sic} be turned into reality. Hope is the power which gives energy to individuals. We often hear cases when individuals are cheated or ditched. That does not mean that it is the end of the world. One experience that everyone has to face is Hardships. No one is spared from that.
Applied to Love it is:
Love is God
Love begins with God. It is God who gives us the energy and Love to deal with life. God is the way to get Love. If there was no supernatural power then Love cannot be realized. Love is the power which gives energy to individuals. We often hear cases when individuals are cheated or ditched. That does not mean that it is the end of the world. One experience that everyone has to face is Hardships. No one is spared from that
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Kyou have to start to read the scriptures ,instead of going to the internet sites that only delivering opinions ,
it seems to me you do not read my posts and so never answer the question or understand what i tell you,
GOD HIS SPIRIT ;NOT HOPE ,NOT LOVE ,NOT MEAN,NOT POWER,NOT ECT BUT GOD HAS ;POWER,AND LOVE AND IS OUR HOPE,AND HE AS RULES AND LAWS ,ECT.
THIS IS WHAT SCRIPTURES TEACHES,
NOT YOUR GIBBERISH
Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,08:35) The God is the Love therefore the Love is the God.
Kerwin,Could I poetically, out of deep love for my savior Jesus Christ, say, Jesus is love? YES or NO?
And if I did say that, could YOU then take those words, switch them around, and conclude that Love is Jesus – based only on my obviously poetic words?
Does it really work that way? If so, then why haven't you addressed my last post to you? Is power “God Himself”? Is light “God Himself”? Etc.
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