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What scriptures would you use to make that call ,that all humans pre existed their birth in the flesh
Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2013,07:20) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,22:57) Gene, Yawheh is their Sun and King Jesus is there moon. The energy of the Sun is one kind and the energy of the God it another. The Sun is the source, the moon reflects it, we receive it. The Sun's energy warms and lights the flesh while God's energy warms and lights the spirit. The Lamb is the means by which we are lighted and reflect light as God is too bright for us to survive direct exposure.
Kyes ,but what is it that ,that means
literally
T,It can mean more than one thing but the city of new Jerusalem sometimes symbolizes the whole of post Armageddon World.
Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,03:57) Gene, Yawheh is their Sun and King Jesus is there moon. The energy of the Sun is one kind and the energy of the God it another. The Sun is the source, the moon reflects it, we receive it. The Sun's energy warms and lights the flesh while God's energy warms and lights the spirit. The Lamb is the means by which we are lighted and reflect light as God is too bright for us to survive direct exposure.
Kerwin…….Yes and we like the stars will also reflect the light from the same source as the moon all are reflecting the same light of GOD. So it is with the Spirit of GOD , as God the Father was reflected through Jesus so shall he be reflected through us also. IMOPeace and love to you and yours ……………………..gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,00:12) Mike, I have already quoted someone who obviously believes there is no difference. There are others.
Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Anyway, I was hoping to find out what your cohorts had to say about it.
Mike,I took it as an insult to my intellect for even to bring it up. My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part. The statement Love is God and its reflection both mean God gives concrete existence to love.
Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,00:12) Mike, I have already quoted someone who obviously believes there is no difference. There are others.
Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Anyway, I was hoping to find out what your cohorts had to say about it.
Mike,I took it as an insult to my intellect for even to bring it up. My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part. The statement Love is God and its reflection both mean God gives concrete existence to love.
Hi Mike,God is Love= God
Love of God= Son of God
I thought about this and hope this will help you.
Peace brother.
Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,06:31) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,00:12) Mike, I have already quoted someone who obviously believes there is no difference. There are others.
Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Anyway, I was hoping to find out what your cohorts had to say about it.
Mike,I took it as an insult to my intellect for even to bring it up. My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part. The statement Love is God and its reflection both mean God gives concrete existence to love.
Hi Mike,God is Love= God
Love of God= Son of God
I thought about this and hope this will help you.
Peace brother.
Abe,So you are claiming God has a relationship to his own Love that is like that of a Father to his Son.
Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,21:00) 1. The Lamb married Holy Jerusalem. 2. Holy Jerusalem is the CHURCH.
3. Holy Jerusalem is not God.
4. New Jerusalem was born from the Dead.
1. This WILL happen, but it hasn't happened yet, IMO.2. I don't know.
3. Agreed.
4. I don't know.
Abe, what does any of this have to do with our current discussion?
Quote (Ed J @ April 17 2013,21:43) Hi Mike, Do you believe we all preexisted then?
No Ed. I don't believe any human being pre-existed their flesh except for Jesus.Perhaps the word “pre-existence” is misleading. It conjures up images of, In my past life, I was a flower!
Jesus' existence has always been since God brought him forth as the first of His works. And it was still the same existence when he was a man. It's not like he died to become a human – only his form was changed. He WAS existing in the form of God (meaning “as a spirit being”, because, after all, that IS the “form” in which God exists, right?) but then the FORM was changed – not the EXISTENCE. So it was the same exact existence from the time God made him the beginning of all creation – until the time he died on a tree.
NOW, we can say that he “exists AGAIN” – because he literally stopped existing for three days, IMO. So now, in heaven, Jesus could speak about his “pre-existence”, both in spirit form and human form.
Anyway, I'm just rambling.
Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,10:48) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2013,07:20) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,22:57) Gene, Yawheh is their Sun and King Jesus is there moon. The energy of the Sun is one kind and the energy of the God it another. The Sun is the source, the moon reflects it, we receive it. The Sun's energy warms and lights the flesh while God's energy warms and lights the spirit. The Lamb is the means by which we are lighted and reflect light as God is too bright for us to survive direct exposure.
Kyes ,but what is it that ,that means
literally
T,It can mean more than one thing but the city of new Jerusalem sometimes symbolizes the whole of post Armageddon World.
Kyes you need to read the bible from the beginning ,to understand why is it that Jerusalem is the city of God ,
Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,23:06) My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part.
Kerwin,The love of money is love, PERIOD. So to say “Love is God” is to INCLUDE the love of money, the love of pornography, the love of violence, the love of evil things, etc.
You can't say that you love God more than another person might love money. Love is love.
Your claim that love is God is ridiculous, IMO. How about the other things I posted, Kerwin? Why didn't you address them?
God is power, right? So do you also claim that power is God? YES or NO?
And if “NO”, why not? Please explain.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,07:55) Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,21:00) 1. The Lamb married Holy Jerusalem. 2. Holy Jerusalem is the CHURCH.
3. Holy Jerusalem is not God.
4. New Jerusalem was born from the Dead.
1. This WILL happen, but it hasn't happened yet, IMO.2. I don't know.
3. Agreed.
4. I don't know.
Abe, what does any of this have to do with our current discussion?
abehow can an LAMB marry a CITY
Quote (abe @ April 18 2013,18:31) Hi Mike, God is Love= God
Love of God= Son of God
I thought about this and hope this will help you.
Thanks for the effort, but no, it doesn't make a lick of sense to me, Abe.peace
Quote (2besee @ April 17 2013,21:36) I am not trying to teach it to others I am only giving my understanding from what has been shown to me.
Fair enough. Sorry I came down so hard.Quote (2besee @ April 17 2013,21:36) I wanted truth, even if it was not what I expected. Even if it was Trinitarian.
I feel the same way.Quote (2besee @ April 17 2013,21:36) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”To which one did God say, “Your are my Son”? Jesus? Or the Holy Spirit?
To Jesus.
I was going to ask you how you came to that conclusion, but I think I need to go back a little farther. I jumped the gun asking you the question I did.Let me try to put my ducks in a row, and I'll get back to you.
Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,16:53) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,06:31) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,00:12) Mike, I have already quoted someone who obviously believes there is no difference. There are others.
Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Anyway, I was hoping to find out what your cohorts had to say about it.
Mike,I took it as an insult to my intellect for even to bring it up. My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part. The statement Love is God and its reflection both mean God gives concrete existence to love.
Hi Mike,God is Love= God
Love of God= Son of God
I thought about this and hope this will help you.
Peace brother.
Abe,So you are claiming God has a relationship to his own Love that is like that of a Father to his Son.
Hi Kerwin,Love of God is part of the creation.
Maybe Mike will read this?
Peace brother.
What is THE WORD for God's love? Is there any that we can think of? Anybody who knows what I am talking about would say “None”.
In the beginning was the word (for God's love) and the word (for God's love) was with God, and the word (for God's love) was God.
Just a thought that is all!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,15:27) Quote (2besee @ April 17 2013,21:36) I am not trying to teach it to others I am only giving my understanding from what has been shown to me.
Fair enough. Sorry I came down so hard.Quote (2besee @ April 17 2013,21:36) I wanted truth, even if it was not what I expected. Even if it was Trinitarian.
I feel the same way.Quote (2besee @ April 17 2013,21:36) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”To which one did God say, “Your are my Son”? Jesus? Or the Holy Spirit?
To Jesus.
I was going to ask you how you came to that conclusion, but I think I need to go back a little farther. I jumped the gun asking you the question I did.Let me try to put my ducks in a row, and I'll get back to you.
Thank you Mike and that is okay I did not notice.
I am having a computer problem the screen is flickering and i suspect that it could be a hardware issue, so I do not know how much longer I will be posting until I fix it.
Time will tell!
Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2013,18:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,07:55) Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,21:00)
1. The Lamb married Holy Jerusalem.2. Holy Jerusalem is the CHURCH.
3. Holy Jerusalem is not God.
4. New Jerusalem was born from the Dead.
1. This WILL happen, but it hasn't happened yet, IMO.2. I don't know.
3. Agreed.
4. I don't know.
Abe, what does any of this have to do with our current discussion?
abehow can an LAMB marry a CITY
Hi T,1. The Lamb married Holy Jerusalem.
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1. This WILL happen, but it hasn't happened yet, IMO.(Quote)
how can an LAMB marry a CITYPeace..
Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,16:53) Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,06:31) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,00:12) Mike, I have already quoted someone who obviously believes there is no difference. There are others.
Kerwin,Aren't you taking this a bit too far? A person can seriously LOVE money – but you know that doesn't mean his love of money is “God”, right?
Anyway, I was hoping to find out what your cohorts had to say about it.
Mike,I took it as an insult to my intellect for even to bring it up. My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part. The statement Love is God and its reflection both mean God gives concrete existence to love.
Hi Mike,God is Love= God
Love of God= Son of God
I thought about this and hope this will help you.
Peace brother.
Abe,So you are claiming God has a relationship to his own Love that is like that of a Father to his Son.
Hi Kerwin,Love of God is part of the creation.
Maybe Mike will read this?
Peace brother.
Abe,Mike seems to try to keep up. Hopefully our conversation aids his understanding.
You did not really answer my question though I believe you tried.
It seems you started of by declaring that the relationship between God and his love is the same between a father and his heir, even his firstborn son.
I am of the opinion you are now claiming the act of creation comes from God's love.
Please confirm that I understand you correctly and if not the please try to make it more clear for me. Thank you.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,08:10) Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2013,23:06) My topic is God's Love of which the love of money has no part.
Kerwin,The love of money is love, PERIOD. So to say “Love is God” is to INCLUDE the love of money, the love of pornography, the love of violence, the love of evil things, etc.
You can't say that you love God more than another person might love money. Love is love.
Your claim that love is God is ridiculous, IMO. How about the other things I posted, Kerwin? Why didn't you address them?
God is power, right? So do you also claim that power is God? YES or NO?
And if “NO”, why not? Please explain.
Mike,I answered a number of your question, even those that seem inane. If I missed some I am not sure which ones they are.
You seem to comprehend that the clause God is Love is not talking about the love of money and yet you fail to understand that Love is God is not about the love of money.
In the first clause God is the subject and Love is the object. It is best used when the subject of the conversation is love. In the second clause Love is the subject and God is the object and it is best used when the subject of the conversation is Love.
So when you say Carl is the man then you making a statement about Carl but instead when you say the man is Carl you are making a statement about the man.
Is John claiming that the God is the love of money, the love of pornography, the love of violence, and any other love?
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