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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,14:30) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 13 2013,08:32) Now Jesus said GOD WAS A SPIRIT………….
So then God was NOT “made flesh”, as Kerwin says?
Mike ………No God was not “MADE” Flesh, and I do not believe that Kerwin Bleieves that either, your misunderstanding what he was saying and applying it in such a way to make it appear he is foolish. IMOThe only one who believes “A” God came in the flesh is you Mike , So why try to belittle Kerwin by saying he is saying that, when in fact that is what you Trinitarians and Preexistences are saying.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 14 2013,19:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,14:17) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 13 2013,08:32) Mike………..No word is or can be FLESH…………
Gene,For the hundredth time, the king of Abyssinia had a spokesman called Kal Hatze – which means “The Word of the King”. This was a flesh and blood MAN, Gene. Do you understand this? YES or NO?
So in this case, the SPOKESMAN of that king, who was called “The Word of the King”, was flesh. Do you understand this? YES or NO?
So in this case, a “word” was “flesh”. Do you understand this? YES or NO?
Mike………And for the thousandth time that was a “title” affoded that servant, and had nothing to do with any real Kings word being the servant at all. It simply meant that the servant was relaying the Kings words, nothing more.Jesus also “SPOKE” God's word to us , they certainly were not HIS words, He said so himself. I have no problem with say Jesus was God Spokesman on this earth, But what you are saying is that His Flesh was the Word, but Jesus flesh was flesh, and NO Flesh IS A WORD. Because a Word is SPIRIT and NO SPIRIT IS FLESH>
Mike you have “never” seen a word become flesh and never will either. The ONLY way to understand it is to understand that GOD the FATHER TRULY came to INDWELL the BODY of the “FLESH MAN” JESUS, and Spoke through Him both indirectly and at times DIRECTLY. I have shown you many time where God was SPEAKING “FIRST” PERSON through Jesus' mouth, but you refuse to acknowledge it.
Lets face the truth for a change you truly do not believe God the Father was indeed “IN” the Man Jesus as Jesus said He was. You only believe Just a Part of Him was , so Please tell us what “PART” was in Jesus' Mike and what Parts were not in him. Scripture say the “FULLNESS” of God Dwelt in him , but you say Just a part, so what “PART” was that Mike?
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
GeneYou are whichful thinking God does not serve men ,it is men that serve God almighty ,
Stop trying to teach this false concept ,the only way God and Christ dwells in people is if we follow the steps ,foot prints,wisdom,and directions of them,this is what brings us to them and then ,our hearts will be tested for true sincerity so that we may be accepted as one of God,,s people ,
It is luthacrust to think that men can bend Gods will,to there advantage and for their own purpose ,
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 14 2013,05:32) (Quote)
Lets face the truth for a change you truly do not believe God the Father was indeed “IN” the Man Jesus as Jesus said He was. You only believe Just a Part of Him was , so Please tell us what “PART” was in Jesus' Mike and what Parts were not in him. Scripture say the “FULLNESS” of God Dwelt in him , but you say Just a part, so what “PART” was that Mike?Peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Hi Mike,Could you answer this question?
Peace brother.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,15:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,09:38)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.If the Word was God Himself-Made-Flesh (as Kerwin's new kick dictates), why did this Word have the glory of an only begotten Son from the Father?
Wouldn't God Himself dwell on earth with the glory of GOD? Please explain.
Mike,In the beginning the Love was with the God and the Love was God.
Kerwin,When you can show me your statement in the scriptures, I'll be happy to discuss it.
Right now, I'd appreciate DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions above. Thanks.
Mike,I read Jesus' teachings and imitate his methods. John writes that God is Love twice, 1 John 4:8 and 16.
Since God is Love the reverse is true and Love is God.
The statement all God is all Love is false as it its reverse. Love is just and aspect of God. Both God is Love and Love is God expresses this.
I am convinced God was Love and Love was God in the beginning.
Now that answers your objections. The answer to my question is that there is two the Loves and not two Jehovahs. Everyone knows that each Love is an instance of Love.
The same pattern applies to “the Word is with God and the Word is God”.
Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2013,00:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,15:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,09:38)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.If the Word was God Himself-Made-Flesh (as Kerwin's new kick dictates), why did this Word have the glory of an only begotten Son from the Father?
Wouldn't God Himself dwell on earth with the glory of GOD? Please explain.
Mike,In the beginning the Love was with the God and the Love was God.
Kerwin,When you can show me your statement in the scriptures, I'll be happy to discuss it.
Right now, I'd appreciate DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions above. Thanks.
Mike,I read Jesus' teachings and imitate his methods. John writes that God is Love twice, 1 John 4:8 and 16.
Since God is Love the reverse is true and Love is God.
The statement all God is all Love is false as it its reverse. Love is just and aspect of God. Both God is Love and Love is God expresses this.
I am convinced God was Love and Love was God in the beginning.
Now that answers your objections. The answer to my question is that there is two the Loves and not two Jehovahs. Everyone knows that each Love is an instance of Love.
The same pattern applies to “the Word is with God and the Word is God”.
KGod is love , but common sens and other scriptures tells that Love is not God ,and that GOD HAS LOVE AND HE HIS NOT LOVE ,love is not a being ,but a quality of God given also to men and miss used by men.
Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2013,00:33) Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2013,00:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,15:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,09:38)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.If the Word was God Himself-Made-Flesh (as Kerwin's new kick dictates), why did this Word have the glory of an only begotten Son from the Father?
Wouldn't God Himself dwell on earth with the glory of GOD? Please explain.
Mike,In the beginning the Love was with the God and the Love was God.
Kerwin,When you can show me your statement in the scriptures, I'll be happy to discuss it.
Right now, I'd appreciate DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions above. Thanks.
Mike,I read Jesus' teachings and imitate his methods. John writes that God is Love twice, 1 John 4:8 and 16.
Since God is Love the reverse is true and Love is God.
The statement all God is all Love is false as it its reverse. Love is just and aspect of God. Both God is Love and Love is God expresses this.
I am convinced God was Love and Love was God in the beginning.
Now that answers your objections. The answer to my question is that there is two the Loves and not two Jehovahs. Everyone knows that each Love is an instance of Love.
The same pattern applies to “the Word is with God and the Word is God”.
KGod is love , but common sens and other scriptures tells that Love is not God ,and that GOD HAS LOVE AND HE HIS NOT LOVE ,love is not a being ,but a quality of God given also to men and miss used by men.
T,It may seem common sense to you but others disagree.
T,
Quote Hope is God
Hope begins with God. It is God who gives us the energy and hopes to deal with. God is the way to get hopes. If there was no supernatural power then hopes can not [sic] be turned into reality. Hope is the power which gives energy to individuals. We often hear cases when individuals are cheated or ditched. That does not mean that it is the end of the world. One experience that everyone has to face is Hardships. No one is spared from that.
Note 1: My source is Dr. Prem's Guide to Live A Great Life”.
Note 2: [sic] notation editing correction done by me to insert seemingly dropped not.Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2013,01:12) T, Quote Hope is God
Hope begins with God. It is God who gives us the energy and hopes to deal with. God is the way to get hopes. If there was no supernatural power then hopes can not [sic] be turned into reality. Hope is the power which gives energy to individuals. We often hear cases when individuals are cheated or ditched. That does not mean that it is the end of the world. One experience that everyone has to face is Hardships. No one is spared from that.
Note 1: My source is Dr. Prem's Guide to Live A Great Life”.
Note 2: [sic] notation editing correction done by me to insert seemingly dropped not.
kHope is only in the hands of those who recognize God,s supremacy ,and the need to reconcile with him ,
All others human do not care about the hope ,and still live a good live ,
So your logic does not stand.
Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2013,00:47) Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2013,00:33) Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2013,00:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,15:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,09:38)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.If the Word was God Himself-Made-Flesh (as Kerwin's new kick dictates), why did this Word have the glory of an only begotten Son from the Father?
Wouldn't God Himself dwell on earth with the glory of GOD? Please explain.
Mike,In the beginning the Love was with the God and the Love was God.
Kerwin,When you can show me your statement in the scriptures, I'll be happy to discuss it.
Right now, I'd appreciate DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions above. Thanks.
Mike,I read Jesus' teachings and imitate his methods. John writes that God is Love twice, 1 John 4:8 and 16.
Since God is Love the reverse is true and Love is God.
The statement all God is all Love is false as it its reverse. Love is just and aspect of God. Both God is Love and Love is God expresses this.
I am convinced God was Love and Love was God in the beginning.
Now that answers your objections. The answer to my question is that there is two the Loves and not two Jehovahs. Everyone knows that each Love is an instance of Love.
The same pattern applies to “the Word is with God and the Word is God”.
KGod is love , but common sens and other scriptures tells that Love is not God ,and that GOD HAS LOVE AND HE HIS NOT LOVE ,love is not a being ,but a quality of God given also to men and miss used by men.
T,It may seem common sense to you but others disagree.
KAny one can disagree with everything ,but it does not mean that is disagreement is true or the truth ,unless you answer the WHY ???question .
Quote (abe @ April 14 2013,23:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 14 2013,05:32) (Quote)
Lets face the truth for a change you truly do not believe God the Father was indeed “IN” the Man Jesus as Jesus said He was. You only believe Just a Part of Him was , so Please tell us what “PART” was in Jesus' Mike and what Parts were not in him. Scripture say the “FULLNESS” of God Dwelt in him , but you say Just a part, so what “PART” was that Mike?Peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Hi Mike,Could you answer this question?
Peace brother.
T,
I am showing you an example of the pattern that applies to “Hope is God”, “Love is God” and “the Word is God”. These are three different but related concepts.
Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2013,01:39) T, I am showing you an example of the pattern that applies to “Hope is God”, “Love is God” and “the Word is God”. These are three different but related concepts.
KGod is not hope ,but we have hope in God and his promises,
God is not love ,but he as love that he as given his only begotten son to die for us and our sins ,
The WORD. Was with God in the beginning and so scriptures says it is his son Jesus Christ
Your claim are false interpretation base on one verse ,what I said is besed on all the scriptures this is the way to truth
Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2013,01:45) Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2013,01:39) T, I am showing you an example of the pattern that applies to “Hope is God”, “Love is God” and “the Word is God”. These are three different but related concepts.
KGod is not hope ,but we have hope in God and his promises,
God is not love ,but he as love that he as given his only begotten son to die for us and our sins ,
The WORD. Was with God in the beginning and so scriptures says it is his son Jesus Christ
Your claim are false interpretation base on one verse ,what I said is besed on all the scriptures this is the way to truth
T,You claim the Word is Jesus Christ.
I claim the Word is the Word.
Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2013,04:16) Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2013,01:45) Quote (kerwin @ April 15 2013,01:39) T, I am showing you an example of the pattern that applies to “Hope is God”, “Love is God” and “the Word is God”. These are three different but related concepts.
KGod is not hope ,but we have hope in God and his promises,
God is not love ,but he as love that he as given his only begotten son to die for us and our sins ,
The WORD. Was with God in the beginning and so scriptures says it is his son Jesus Christ
Your claim are false interpretation base on one verse ,what I said is besed on all the scriptures this is the way to truth
T,You claim the Word is Jesus Christ.
I claim the Word is the Word.
Kyes that I know of you ,this is why you are stuck on your own interpretation ,and so will argue for the rest of your live within those interpretation ,this is not my doing it is yours ,
I will not argue with you on this again ,you have declared yourself , and the scripture(S)not one verse tells the truth ,God create us all free we all have to make sure that we follow God 's words not our own ,to bad you have chosen your own words and wisdom.
the same goes for our teachings ,it is our responsibility to tell the truth ,if not we will not be speared
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 14 2013,07:32) Mike………And for the thousandth time that was a “title” affoded that servant, and had nothing to do with any real Kings word being the servant at all. It simply meant that the servant was relaying the Kings words, nothing more.
Bingo!Now take that concept, that you clearly understand, and apply it to GOD'S spokesman, Jesus Christ, aka “The Word of God”.
God's spokesman had a title just like the king of Abyssinia's spokesman had a title. One was “The Word of the King”, and the other is “The Word of God”. Do you understand this? YES or NO?
So you can easily see that none of us have EVER been talking about a LITERAL spoken word that became flesh. We have ALWAYS been talking about Jesus having the TITLE “The Word of God”. Do you understand this? YES or NO?
And we believe this spokesman of God existed in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being. (Phil 2) In other words, this SPOKESMAN for God (The Word) became flesh. Do you understand this? YES or NO?
So Gene, you don't have to agree with our understanding, but for crying out loud, stop saying we believe a literal word became flesh, okay?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 14 2013,07:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,14:30) So then God was NOT “made flesh”, as Kerwin says?
Mike ………No God was not “MADE” Flesh, and I do not believe that Kerwin Bleieves that either……….
I don't know Gene. That seems to be what he's saying – and YOU keep agreeing with him.So it's at least good to know that you DON'T believe God was ever “made flesh”.
Quote (abe @ April 14 2013,11:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 14 2013,05:32) (Quote)
Lets face the truth for a change you truly do not believe God the Father was indeed “IN” the Man Jesus as Jesus said He was. You only believe Just a Part of Him was , so Please tell us what “PART” was in Jesus' Mike and what Parts were not in him. Scripture say the “FULLNESS” of God Dwelt in him , but you say Just a part, so what “PART” was that Mike?Peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Hi Mike,Could you answer this question?
Peace brother.
I've answered it dozens of times already, Abe. But for your benefit…………………No, I absolutely know the entire being of God Almighty was not dwelling within the human body of Jesus Christ on earth.
God can METAPHORICALLY be “in” all believers via His Holy Spirit, but God Himself dwells in heaven at all times.
When it says the “fullness of God” was in Jesus, it refers to all of God's good qualities. It does NOT mean that the entire being of God Almighty existed within a human being.
Isn't it nice to ask a question and get a direct answer, Abe? Maybe YOU should try DIRECTLY answering a few of OUR questions now and then.
Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,12:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2013,09:47) Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2013,15:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,09:38)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.1. If the Word was God Himself-Made-Flesh (as Kerwin's new kick dictates), why did this Word have the glory of an only begotten Son from the Father?
2. Wouldn't God Himself dwell on earth with the glory of GOD? Please explain.
Mike,In the beginning the Love was with the God and the Love was God.
Kerwin,When you can show me your statement in the scriptures, I'll be happy to discuss it.
Right now, I'd appreciate DIRECT answers to my DIRECT questions above. Thanks.
Since God is Love the reverse is true and Love is God.
No Kerwin, “love” is not “God”. You are confused.Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,12:18) Now that answers your objections.
Actually, it doesn't even address my objection. My objection is: When you can show me your statement IN THE SCRIPTURES, we will discuss it. You CANNOT show me that statement in the scriptures, so IMO, it is just another “dodge” that you've employed in order to NOT address my questions.I want you to DIRECTLY address my questions, Kerwin. (I've made them even bigger this time – and numbered them for your convenience.)
Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2013,13:12) Hope is God
Ridiculous! Are you saying that as long as I have HOPE in the Devil, I have Jehovah God – since any “hope” is “God Almighty”?It is also said that God is light, Kerwin. Is the light radiating from the bulb in my lamb “God”?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2013,13:33) Quote (abe @ April 14 2013,11:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 14 2013,05:32) (Quote)
Lets face the truth for a change you truly do not believe God the Father was indeed “IN” the Man Jesus as Jesus said He was. You only believe Just a Part of Him was , so Please tell us what “PART” was in Jesus' Mike and what Parts were not in him. Scripture say the “FULLNESS” of God Dwelt in him , but you say Just a part, so what “PART” was that Mike?Peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Hi Mike,Could you answer this question?
Peace brother.
I've answered it dozens of times already, Abe. But for your benefit…………………No, I absolutely know the entire being of God Almighty was not dwelling within the human body of Jesus Christ on earth.
God can METAPHORICALLY be “in” all believers via His Holy Spirit, but God Himself dwells in heaven at all times.
When it says the “fullness of God” was in Jesus, it refers to all of God's good qualities. It does NOT mean that the entire being of God Almighty existed within a human being.
Isn't it nice to ask a question and get a direct answer, Abe? Maybe YOU should try DIRECTLY answering a few of OUR questions now and then.
Hi Mike,Good post. The entirety “of what God is” was in Jesus,
but the entirety of what God is wasn't limited to Jesus;
because God also exists outside of Jesus – “A Paradox”.God will give you everything,
and God will give us everything.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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