In the Beginning

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if what you say and believe then all the prophets that spoke to men from the received words from God ,can say what you believe ;THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH ;

This is the only question I did not answer specifically though the answer is inferred in the word “new” in Jeremiah 31:31 which I failed to quote.

Jeremiah 31:31
King James Version (KJV)

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The prophets did not have the law placed in their inward beings or written on their hearts even though they were carried along by the Spirit. Jesus was the pioneer.

April 8, 2013 at 2:47 pm#341291

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do you see that the new covenant is of grace ,but what was changed

does DT 6;5 is annulled

i do not think so ,
did EX 34;10 changed

JN 4:48 So Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe.”

The old covenant is text written on stone and other sundry materials while the new covenant is written on the heart of believers and placed in their inward beings. The old testament had men that taught their neighbor or brother while the new covenant has the Spirit to teach.

April 8, 2013 at 3:16 pm#341296

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do you see that the new covenant is of grace ,but what was changed

does DT 6;5 is annulled

i do not think so ,
did EX 34;10 changed

JN 4:48 So Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe.”

Kerwin……….Right on brother. God plainly said he would take out of us the stoney heart and give us a heart of Flesh (soft heart) and “HE” would write his law on our “INWARD PARTS” and we shall be his people and he our GOD. How clear but some here believe they can twist the “Emphatic” words of God and His very Literial Spoken words to meet their “Mystery Religion” Dogmas. They create stumbling blocks to the Simple and unlearned, some of them boast of their 40years or so of study amd that amazes me how little a person can know after 40 years of study. But it only proves one point to me .

These are they who are blind and grope at the wall trying to us their own carnel reasonings to shore up their false teachings. But just as it says, greater is he that is “IN” you then he that is “IN” the world.

And again, unless the LORD shall build the House the weary builders build in vain, unles the LORD is the cities shield, the guard maintain a useless watch.

peace and love to you and all the “ISREAL” of God…………….gene

April 8, 2013 at 4:59 pm#341301

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THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE SCRIPTURES DO NOT TALK ABOUT OTHER GODS ,Dt 6:14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;

Terricca……….Wrong those so-called God of the People were no Gods at all they were the “IMAGANATIONS” of their minds, they simply did not truly exist.

Example Just for you Pierre and Mike and T8.

1 Ki 18-25……. And Elijah said unto the “prophets” of “BAAL”, Choose you one bullock for yourselvesm and dress it first; for you are many and call on the name of your “gods”, but put no fire under. (26) And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of BaaL from morining even untill noon, saying, O Baal, hear us, But there was “no” voice “nor ANY” that answered, And they leaped upon the Alter which was made. (27) And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said Cry aloud: for he “is a god”: either he is talking, or he is in a journey, or preadventure he sleeps, and must be awakened, (28) And they cried aloud and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushedout upon them (29) And it came to pass, when midday was past, they prophessied until the time of the evening sacrifice, there was neither voice, nor “any” to answer, nor any that reguarded.

(30)..> And Elijah said unto all the people, come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired of the LORD that was broken down.

1 ki 38 …..Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. (39) And when all the peopleit they fell and their faces: and they said, The LORD, “he” is the God: the LORD “he” isthe God.

1 Ki 40…> And Elijah said unto them Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape, And they took them and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

So what happened to this “so-called” god Baal, why did he not respond to his prophets, could it be because there was no God or Little god Baal at all the ever existed. If he did exist he sure lacked any power over anyone , Ball was simply a false God created in the mind of man a false God that never truly existed.

Again I say There are no Gods big or Little, “EXCEPT ONE” and only ONE

Pierre you can believe there are other gods like you friends Mike and T8, and all Trinitarians and Preexistence do , but i tell you the end will not be plesent. You need to drop that false teaching like a hot potato brother. IMO

peace and love toyou and your Pierre……………………..gene

April 8, 2013 at 6:54 pm#341305

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John 1:10

We are told the world was made by the light that is in the word. It is the power of Jehovah that made the world.

We are told that the light is in the world and no one knew him. The presence of Jehovah is what Jehovah's people should know but did not. Think God with us.

The light is the life of men.

Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.

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We are told that the light is in the world and no one knew him

YOU LOVE TO CREATE ,YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION ,IF YOU ARE RIGHT THEN IT SHOULD NOT BE “HIM” BUT “IT” BUT JOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT JESUS THE CHRIST IS IT NOT

April 8, 2013 at 6:57 pm#341306

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THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE SCRIPTURES DO NOT TALK ABOUT OTHER GODS ,Dt 6:14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;

Terricca……….Wrong those so-called God of the People were no Gods at all they were the “IMAGANATIONS” of their minds, they simply did not truly exist.

Example Just for you Pierre and Mike and T8.

(30)..> And Elijah said unto all the people, come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired of the LORD that was broken down.

1 Ki 40…> And Elijah said unto them Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape, And they took them and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

Again I say There are no Gods big or Little, “EXCEPT ONE” and only ONE

peace and love toyou and your Pierre……………………..gene

GENE

which parts of scriptures are we going to tear off or ignore ,

events IN ONE SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CANCEL OUT ALL OTHER SCRIPTURES ,

READ WHAT I HAVE SAID AND STOP RUNNING AROUND A EMPTY LOT,

April 8, 2013 at 7:01 pm#341307

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do you see that the new covenant is of grace ,but what was changed

does DT 6;5 is annulled

i do not think so ,
did EX 34;10 changed

JN 4:48 So Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe.”

BUT I HAVE QUOTE THE FIRST COMMANDMENT ,CAN YOU NOT READ IT

OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT SAYS

April 8, 2013 at 7:03 pm#341308

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do you see that the new covenant is of grace ,but what was changed

does DT 6;5 is annulled

i do not think so ,
did EX 34;10 changed

JN 4:48 So Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe.”

YOU DO NOT MAKE SENS IN WHAT YOU SAYING ,

READ THE FIRST COMMANDMENT then answer my questions

April 8, 2013 at 7:04 pm#341309

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T and Mike and all, and Abe, Thank you for all of your posts – I did read them, I just have not been able to reply. Perhaps some other time, okay.

Thanks.

2bee

But yes you can go ,you are a free spirit

Thanks T You are very thoughtful.
I needed a good excuse to stop talking anyway!
Will still continue to READ.

Thanks friend.

April 8, 2013 at 9:05 pm#341319

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 08 2013,22:59)

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THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE SCRIPTURES DO NOT TALK ABOUT OTHER GODS ,Dt 6:14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;

Terricca……….Wrong those so-called God of the People were no Gods at all they were the “IMAGINATIONS” of their minds, they simply did not truly exist.

Example Just for you Pierre and Mike and T8.

1 Ki 18-25……. And Elijah said unto the “prophets” of “BAAL”, Choose you one bullock for yourselves and dress it first; for you are many and call on the name of your “gods”, but put no fire under. (26) And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of BaaL from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us, But there was “no” voice “nor ANY” that answered, And they leaped upon the Alter which was made. (27) And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said Cry aloud: for he “is a god”: either he is talking, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleeps, and must be awakened, (28) And they cried aloud and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them (29) And it came to pass, when midday was past, they prophesied until the time of the evening sacrifice, there was neither voice, nor “any” to answer, nor any that regarded.

(30)..> And Elijah said unto all the people, come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired of the LORD that was broken down.

1 ki 38 …..Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. (39) And when all the people it they fell and their faces: and they said, The LORD, “he” is the God: the LORD “he” is the God.

1 Ki 40…> And Elijah said unto them Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape, And they took them and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

So what happened to this “so-called” god Baal, why did he not respond to his prophets, could it be because there was no God or Little god Baal at all the ever existed. If he did exist he sure lacked any power over anyone , Baal was simply a false God created in the mind of man a false God that never truly existed.

Again I say There are no Gods big or Little, “EXCEPT ONE” and only ONE

Pierre you can believe there are other gods like you friends Mike and T8, and all Trinitarians and Preexistence do , but i tell you the end will not be pleasant. You need to drop that false teaching like a hot potato brother. IMO

peace and love to you and your Pierre……………………..gene

GENE

which parts of scriptures are we going to tear off or ignore ,

events IN ONE SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CANCEL OUT ALL OTHER SCRIPTURES ,

READ WHAT I HAVE SAID AND STOP RUNNING AROUND A EMPTY LOT,

Terricca………What s the matter you cant read what i posted , perhaps it not in you or Mike or T8's bibles. I could tear of all kind of scriptures that say there is only one God and have many times how many do you want will 6 or 8 or 10 or perhaps more if i directly quote them will you them begin to believe what Jesus said and even God himself said. You response is examplary our Posts you simplywill not deal with the truth , So Pierre was there a “REAL” God called Baal or Not , Yes or No Please as Mike your master would say.

Pierre trying to trash what i have written and what i quotted only shows you have no idea what you are talking about. Tell us Pierre of “ONE other God that you apsolutely know of , Just One Little God or for that matter a Big God> Your ignorant commits are just a wast of time for everyone here IMO>

That is why many have stopped responding to you , for a person who supossely studied scriptures for forty year it appears you have come to know very little about this subject at least. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

April 8, 2013 at 10:47 pm#341327

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That's funny, Kerwin. I just pasted your first sentence into that site, and your sentence received a 67 out of 100. The notes were “weak, needs revision”.

Mike,

grammarly.com does not like passive “was made”.

“Grammarly doesn't like…………” isn't exactly what you implied in your previous post though, was it? Your implication was that your sample sentences were “perfect” grammar. At least that's the way I understood your words.

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The bottom line is that Jesus is the Word made flesh.

As I understand your phrase, you are sort of giving Jesus the title, “The Word-Made-Flesh”. Kind of like “The Self-Made-Man”.

Am I correct in my understanding of what you are saying?

April 8, 2013 at 10:53 pm#341328

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if what you say [is to be] believed, then all the prophets that spoke to men from the received words from God [were also] “THE WORD MADE FLESH”

Jeremiah 31:33
After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Kerwin,

Are you saying that none of the prophets BEFORE Jesus can be called “The Word-Made-Flesh”, but “After those days“, when God writes His laws on the hearts of men, there will be MANY “Word-Made-Fleshes”?

Are you saying that Jesus is merely the FIRST “Word-Made-Flesh” out of many yet to come?

(I edited Pierre's words to convey what I thought he was saying.)

April 8, 2013 at 11:10 pm#341329

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 07 2013,17:05)

You try to use scriptures like where Jesus said you are God's (meaning God's “POSSESSIONS”) as if they themselves were Gods

NOW IS THE CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU MIKE?

Not clear yet, Gene. First you must boldly declare these words:

Jehovah is LITERALLY the ONLY elohim/theos who has ever existed – according to scripture.

Only then will it be “CLEAR ENOUGH” for me, Gene.

(BTW, I can't believe you think ye are gods means ye are God's. Gene, the word “gods” is NOT written in the genitive form, therefore it does NOT convey a possession, like you think.

Also, I will try to find the thread where you finally agreed that Jesus was the “everlasting father” and “mighty god” mentioned in Isaiah 9:6, okay?)

April 8, 2013 at 11:22 pm#341331

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 08 2013,10:59)

Terricca……….Wrong those so-called God of the People were no Gods at all they were the “IMAGANATIONS” of their minds, they simply did not truly exist.

Jehovah called Satan a god, Gene. Does Satan exist?

Jehovah is also the God OF gods, right? Who are some of those other gods that Jehovah is the God OF, Gene?

(When will you actually address this point I've asked you over a dozen times?)

April 9, 2013 at 1:40 am#341357

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if what you say [is to be] believed, then all the prophets that spoke to men from the received words from God [were also] “THE WORD MADE FLESH”

Jeremiah 31:33
After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Kerwin,

Are you saying that Jesus is merely the FIRST “Word-Made-Flesh” out of many yet to come?

(I edited Pierre's words to convey what I thought he was saying.)

Mike,

Yes, though all the rest become the Word made flesh through him.

Hebrews 12:2
New International Version (NIV)

2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, [the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

That is how we are to follow him.

April 9, 2013 at 1:52 am#341361

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That's funny, Kerwin. I just pasted your first sentence into that site, and your sentence received a 67 out of 100. The notes were “weak, needs revision”.

Mike,

grammarly.com does not like passive “was made”.

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The bottom line is that Jesus is the Word made flesh.

As I understand your phrase, you are sort of giving Jesus the title, “The Word-Made-Flesh”. Kind of like “The Self-Made-Man”.

Am I correct in my understanding of what you are saying?

Mike,

I was only speaking of the statement Jesus is the Word made flesh as being approved English.

No, Jesus is not self made. I believe the voice is passive in Greek. It appears it just is not good English.

April 9, 2013 at 2:42 am#341363

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I wasn't saying Jesus was “Self-Made”, Kerwin.

I was trying to find a different phrase that identifies how you are understanding “The Word-Made-Flesh”.

Perhaps you could give me an example. Are you understanding it as a title for Jesus? Or are you saying that the Word MADE/CREATED flesh?

Please help me to know how you understand those words – so I can then easily put your understanding to rest.

April 9, 2013 at 2:48 am#341364

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Mike,

Yes, though all the rest become the Word made flesh through him.

So then after the rest of us become “The Word-Made-Flesh” along with Jesus, will it also be said of us that all things in heaven and earth were created through us – like it is said of Jesus?

And since you believe the Word actually IS the God it was with in the beginning, you are really saying that GOD was made flesh, right? So by saying Jesus is “The Word-Made-Flesh”, you are really saying that Jesus is “God-Made-Flesh”, right? And since he is the first of many, eventually, there will be MANY “God-Made-Fleshes”, right?

Am I following you so far?

April 9, 2013 at 2:55 pm#341415