In the Beginning

[2besee]

Quote (terraricca @ April 05 2013,14:20)

Quote (2besee @ April 04 2013,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ April 04 2013,15:46) Quote (2besee @ April 04 2013,08:27) Anyway I am done here. Thanks for the conversation all. I have heard enough in one day from T and from Journey, and this is not spiritually healthy at all. 2bee I felt the same way went i first came here ,and never ad teach anyone but friends and relatives ,after being studying for 45 years the scriptures , and so I had to think what is really happen here is that my knowledge was put to the test ,and so i defend it with scriptures ,and find that not many here have truth that they really can defend with scriptures ,and so i stayed ,and see what is here to learn or to give understanding of the various ways of seeing things from many angles ,but the truth of God in scriptures is, many times not what we think it is but what we wish and would like it to be ,and this is wrong , GOD'S TRUTH HIS AN DOUBLE EDGE SWORD AND IT CAN HURT DEEP ,AND PAINFUL ;BUT DO WE LOVE THE TRUTH MORE AND SO ACCEPT THE WISDOM OF GOD CORRECTION FOR OUR OWN GOOD I HOPE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS IN YOUR OWN HEART AND SOUL MY FRIEND Thanks for your honesty, T. You speak wise and very true words sometimes, and I have told you that in the beginning. (Remember?) Peace to you, T. 2bee understand that i only respond to text and the way it is presented ,that's all i have , so if i see that a person comes on with power in speech and what he says is not according to scriptures ,then i go in in a DIRECT WAY and either ask question or tell he is wrong and those things are lies ,and prove it with scriptures , but wen i see a person willing to learn then i will be different in approach,like wen Jesus saw the “money exchanges”and the animal trading in the temple ,he became in flame,but at other time he felt compassion and told “the sermon on the mountain”” 2bee I live by the truth and look for more true understanding NOT LESS if you have only read the bible 2 0r 3 times trust me you are on milk ,the day you can answer the “why's,when's,how's,what's and who's “” i would like to talk to you ,to give me light

I know a man who studied the bible alone for 40ish years, who taught what I would consider to be wrong. When shown some clear scriptures — he did not want to see what they were saying or could not see what they were saying, despite 40ish years of study.

I teach younger people in my family, as if I don't know very much — as if we are looking at things together and learning, and I have an open mind. I learn off them sometimes.

Likewise — Teenagers, I leave them alone with most things, thankful that they have faith and belief, knowing that they will learn. And I have also learnt from them, heaps.

Matt 11:25

At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from wise and intelligent people and have revealed them to infants.

So yes, it is good that you have faith and belief, and it is also good that others faith and belief.

Still, at least, now that you have explained, I can understand you better!

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 05 2013,12:55)

Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2013,17:29) Hi Mike Can you please show us where Jesus' title as “Wisdom” is located? God bless Ed J Proverbs 8, and 1 Cor 1:24.

Hi Mike, I see you're reading into the text again.

“But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks,
 Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.” (1Cor 1:24)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

EDJ………That wisdom of God is the CHRISTOS< that was "IN" Jesus the man it is referencing the Anointing Spriit of God, It is the wisdom of God. Remember where it says the “ROCK” that followed Isreal in the Wilderness was Christ, that was not refering Jesus the Man, it was referencing the Anointing Spirit of God , that was following Isreal in the Wilderness.

God put that Anointing Spirit on Moses and the Seventy elders and Joshua and Caleb, and many of the leaders of Isreal as God folloowed them in the wilderness showing signs and great wonders. He also sent Prophets who prophsied by that Same Spirit, the wisdom of God and showed the powers of God also. Paul many times did not mean the Man Jesus but the Anointing Spiirt that was “IN” Him. When he said if Christ be in you he ,i believe, meant the Anointing Spirit that was in Jesus.

peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2013,13:45)

Mike, I did fail to read the context of what Pierre wrote but you do the same thing with John 1:1.  Words have many meaning which make them like shifting sands.   You find a way to translate and interpret according to what you want to believe and discount other interpretations.  Others do the same.   It is only those who are inspired by God that truly understand.

Kerwin………Even more if Mike is given scriptures to prove a point he then inserts his own interpretations , as “Emphatic or non Emphatic”  or “Could mean” or “metaphorically” speaking, or not literal or literial, or Little god or Big God and on and on, so as i said before , it's like a person trying to coroner a snake in a Brier patch, it's not possible, they have alway got a way out.

If God says there is no other God besides Me , Mike says that is non empathtic, not to be taken literally, so he can deny God's LITERIAL words. If scripture say the Word was God , Mike and his coharts say no you must insert the word Jesus there as a “LITTLE” God , in order to properly understand what it means, so you could never corner them becasue they always got a way out.

So they simply do not have to admit to the truth or believe what is apsolutely written in scriptures as meaning exactly what it is saying.

Mike, Pierre, T8, Lu  as all Trinitarians and Preexistence have to preach a religion of suppositions and insertions to Advance their  dogmas. They simply are all in a boat of false teachings IMO

peace and love to you and yours Kerwin……………………gene

[abe]

Quote (2besee @ April 05 2013,03:11)

Quote (abe @ April 05 2013,16:03) Hi Mike, (quote) Kerwin, where are the scriptures that teach us that John the Baptist came to testify about the Holy Spirit at all – let alone “the Holy Spirit Son of God”? Jn.1:29   The next day John sees Jesus coming to him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world. 30This is he of whom I said, After me comes a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32And John bore record, saying, I saw the    SPIRIT descending from heaven like a dove, and it stayed  on  him. 33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said to me, On whom you shall see the SPIRIT   descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which   baptizes   with the    Holy Ghost.    34And I saw, and bore record that this is the     Son of God. Jn.3:29   “He who has the    BRIDE     is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. So this joy of mine has been made full. 30“He must increase, but I must decrease. And John bore record, saying, I saw the    SPIRIT descending from heaven like a dove, and it stayed  on  him. “He who has the    BRIDE     is the bridegroom; The Spirit is the Bride. Peace. Abe, I'm starting to see it now. Rev.21 [1] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. [2] And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; [3] and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; [4] he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.” —————— That is connected right?

Hi 2b,

Amen.

Bride

Rom.8:22   For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we     ourselves,      HAVING the     FIRSTFRUITS      of the   Spirit,   even we ourselves groan within ourselves,   waiting   eagerly for [our] adoption as sons, the    Redemption    of our body.

2Cor.1:21-22    Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He    anointed     us, set his   Seal  of ownership on us, and put his   Spirit   in our hearts as a    Deposit,   Guaranteeing what is      TO COME.

Deposit is the Bride.    To Come is the Wife.
New Jerusalem            Holy Jerusalem

Eph.1:13   In Him,(Christ) you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation– having also believed, you were   Sealed    in   Him with the HOLY SPIRIT   of    Promise,    14who is given as a   PLEDGE (deposit)     of our    inheritance,   with a view to the  redemption    of [God's own] possession, to the praise of His glory.

2Cor.5:4   For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the     SPIRIT    as a   DEPOSIT,   Guaranteeing  what   is           TO COME.

I hope this helps.

Peace brother.

[GeneBalthrop]

Abe……..very good post brother, and right on.

Peace and love to and yours……………………………….gene

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 05 2013,10:39)

Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2013,07:48) Quote (terraricca @ April 05 2013,07:06) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,11:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 04 2013,05:40) Okay All, It is clear that none of you can actually show any scripture that says God's Holy Spirit is one of His sons.  And now we have 2B and Gene threatening to walk away from the discussion because it is not going their way. In light of this fact, I will speed up the “Holy Spirit Son of God” comparisons of John 1. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. Where are the scriptures that teach us that John the Baptist came to testify about the Holy Spirit at all – let alone “the Holy Spirit Son of God”? I showed you MANY scriptures that tell us exactly who the light was that John testified about, right?  And that “light of the world” was Jesus Christ, right?  And it is CLEARLY taught, over and over in scripture, that John came to testify about Jesus, right? Now it's your turn, guys.  Where is the scripture that says John testified one single thing about the “Holy Spirit Son of God”? Mike, I gave you some Scriptures and you chose not to believe them as evidence.  That is your choice but your choice is not necessary what is correct. K if you have it right ,then all scriptures should support it , but it seems you can not answer those question based on scriptures ,so how could your scripture be right , so show your scriptures versus Mikes scriptures and show all that you have the evidence side by side ,if not you can learn some thing ,right T, Mike has not shown a scripture.  He showed an alternative translation based on the shifting meaning of an ancient Greek word. He does not believe one possible translation and so he looked for one he did believe. The Spirit knows all things of Jehovah and is at Jehovah's bosom.  All things were revealed to Jesus. Which of the two had all things given and/or shown to them? Which of the two has and knows all things by nature? John 3:35 King James Version (KJV) 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.   John 5:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 1 Corinthians 2:11 King James Version (KJV) 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. K Read your own quoted scriptures, then think; ……?..one of your scriptures is saying that God the father as shown all things he does to Christ ,……?  How did he do that It also said that it is the spirit of man that knows the man,just as only the spirit of God that knows the things of God,right ? Yes Understand that being a spirit in form as nothing to do with the spirit that we all are , It would be saying men are flesh so they would all think and do the same thing,but we do not all Have the same spirit for our souls are different so it is with God

T,

I know what Scripture states but what do you state?

The Spirit knows the things of Jehovah and reveals them to Jesus Christ who in turn reveals them to those that believe.

Do you agree that is so?

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 05 2013,08:06)

Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,19:48) T, Mike has not shown a scripture. What?  I went through every verse in John 1, and made a BIG list that showed how the same things were said about Jesus in other scriptures.  How can you say I have not shown scripture?   (Pierre is talking about you putting your “the Word is the Holy Spirit Son of God” scriptures up against my recently compiled “the Word is Jesus” scriptures.  Perhaps you misunderstood him?) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,19:48) Which of the two had all things given and/or shown to them? Which of the two has and knows all things by nature? Those scriptures are great for showing that no one could know God better than His own spirit.  They are great for distinguishing Jesus and the Holy Spirit as two different things. They are not so great for trying to prove that God's Holy Spirit is His Son. And they are not so great as an answer to my most recent question, which is: Kerwin, where are the scriptures that teach us that John the Baptist came to testify about the Holy Spirit at all – let alone “the Holy Spirit Son of God”? I still await an answer to that one, Kerwin.

Mike,

Jesus was created by Jehovah's Word.  Jehovah's Word was not created by Jesus.

John the apostle spoke of three aspects of Jesus Christ that John the Baptist saw. One of those aspects was the Light that was in the Word.  That Light is the life of men.

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man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.

Are you going to deny or concede that men live by the Word that proceeds out of Jehovah's mouth?

So what aspect of Jesus is the life of men?

Which has more precedence, Jesus or the Utterance?

Note: Quote from KJV of Deuteronomy 8:3

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,20:45)

You find a way to translate and interpret according to what you want to believe and discount other interpretations.

Kerwin,

Read my last post to you in the “Origen” thread.  And then go back a few pages in this thread, find my final “Jesus/Word”comparison post, and see how EVERY SINGLE THING that is said about “the Word” in John 1:1 is also said in other scriptures about “Jesus”.  And then go read Rev 19:13, where it is clearly Jesus who is called “the Word”.  And then read 1 John 1:1, where it is also abundantly clear that he is referring to none other than Jesus Christ by the title “the Word”.

It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Jesus was “the Word” who was with God Almighty in the beginning – before all things were created through him.

I did not first CHOOSE to believe this, and then set out to twist the scriptures to accommodate my pre-conceived notion.  Instead, it was how I understood John 1 from the first time I ever read it.  The MANY other scriptures I posted for you guys only serve to SUPPORT my first understanding.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ April 04 2013,21:03)

……..the same said to me, On whom you shall see the SPIRIT descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizes with the Holy Ghost. 34And I saw, and bore record that this is the Son of God.

So in that passage, who exactly is John testifying about, Abe?

….the same is he who baptizes WITH the Holy Ghost…..

Seems fairly obvious that John is testifying ABOUT Jesus Christ, and mentions the Holy Spirit only to let us know that the Son of God will baptize WITH that Spirit.

But what did Jesus say about it?

John 5
32 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true.

33 “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth.

So Abe, what “testimony” about the Holy Spirit do you suppose John gave in the passage you quoted? That Jesus would use it to baptize with? That hardly seems a testimony ABOUT the Spirit, don't you think?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ April 04 2013,21:03)

“He who has the BRIDE is the bridegroom; The Spirit is the Bride.

The “Bride” is New Jerusalem. (Rev 21:9-10)

But even if we accepted that the bride was the Holy Spirit, John STILL WASN'T testifying ABOUT the bride, was he? Instead, he was testifying ABOUT the bridegroom, and how the bridegroom must increase while he decreased.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ April 05 2013,05:13)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 05 2013,12:17) 2B, Why do you think the spirit who is guiding you would cause you to come to an understanding which requires a “part of” God to be the “entire being of God”? Have you tested this spirit against your God-given common sense and scripture? Mike, Yes I have. I know the difference.

Okay, so that's your answer to the second question I asked. Now answer the first one please.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2013,07:58)

Hi Mike, I see you're reading into the text again. “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks,  Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.” (1Cor 1:24)

Perhaps I should have added verse 23, Ed:

1 Corinthians 1
23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

We preach Christ, [who is] a stumbling block to the Jews……… but to those whom God has called, [he is] the power and wisdom of God.

Obviously, Christ is not LITERALLY God's power and wisdom.  Paul is metaphorically using Christ to REPRESENT the wisdom and power of God.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 05 2013,10:48)

If God says there is no other God besides Me , Mike says that is emphatic, not to be taken literally………..

Jehovah said there were no other ELOHIM besides him, right?  Well Gene, ARE THERE other ELOHIM mentioned in the scriptures?  Of course there are MANY – just like Paul says in 1 Cor 8:5, right?

Gene, do you suppose Jehovah could be the “Elohim OF elohim” if there literally existed no other elohim for Jehovah to be the Elohim OF?  YES or NO?

Do you suppose He could be the “Most High Elohim” if there literally existed no “lesser high” elohim? YES or NO?

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ April 05 2013,17:27)

Quote (terraricca @ April 05 2013,14:20) Quote (2besee @ April 04 2013,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ April 04 2013,15:46) Quote (2besee @ April 04 2013,08:27) Anyway I am done here. Thanks for the conversation all. I have heard enough in one day from T and from Journey, and this is not spiritually healthy at all. 2bee I felt the same way went i first came here ,and never ad teach anyone but friends and relatives ,after being studying for 45 years the scriptures , and so I had to think what is really happen here is that my knowledge was put to the test ,and so i defend it with scriptures ,and find that not many here have truth that they really can defend with scriptures ,and so i stayed ,and see what is here to learn or to give understanding of the various ways of seeing things from many angles ,but the truth of God in scriptures is, many times not what we think it is but what we wish and would like it to be ,and this is wrong , GOD'S TRUTH HIS AN DOUBLE EDGE SWORD AND IT CAN HURT DEEP ,AND PAINFUL ;BUT DO WE LOVE THE TRUTH MORE AND SO ACCEPT THE WISDOM OF GOD CORRECTION FOR OUR OWN GOOD I HOPE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS IN YOUR OWN HEART AND SOUL MY FRIEND Thanks for your honesty, T. You speak wise and very true words sometimes, and I have told you that in the beginning. (Remember?) Peace to you, T. 2bee understand that i only respond to text and the way it is presented ,that's all i have , so if i see that a person comes on with power in speech and what he says is not according to scriptures ,then i go in in a DIRECT WAY and either ask question or tell he is wrong and those things are lies ,and prove it with scriptures , but wen i see a person willing to learn then i will be different in approach,like wen Jesus saw the “money exchanges”and the animal trading in the temple ,he became in flame,but at other time he felt compassion and told “the sermon on the mountain”” 2bee I live by the truth and look for more true understanding NOT LESS if you have only read the bible 2 0r 3 times trust me you are on milk ,the day you can answer the “why's,when's,how's,what's and who's “” i would like to talk to you ,to give me light I know a man who studied the bible alone for 40ish years, who taught what I would consider to be wrong. When shown some clear scriptures — he did not want to see what they were saying or could not see what they were saying, despite 40ish years of study. I teach younger people in my family, as if I don't know very much — as if we are looking at things together and learning, and I have an open mind. I learn off them sometimes. Likewise — Teenagers, I leave them alone with most things, thankful that they have faith and belief, knowing that they will learn. And I have also learnt from them, heaps. Matt 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from wise and intelligent people and have revealed them to infants. So yes, it is good that you have faith and belief, and it is also good that others faith and belief. Still, at least, now that you have explained, I can understand you better!

2bee

nice try ;but i am not a religions incline ;

and if you have that understanding ,and the truth ,you would beable to answer Mike and my questions ,but I can see that your understanding foundation is very young and not penetrated ,from scriptures ;

so if you read your comment ;what you really saying to me that it does not matter how many years you have study the scriptures if you do not believe what they say ;is this true

because if it is true why are you fighting the truth we presenting you ,???

I have told before ;what you or me think or believe is worthless unless it is based on Gods truth ;mean scriptures

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2013,14:36)

Are you going to deny or concede that men live by the Word that proceeds out of Jehovah's mouth?

I will concede EVERYTHING that is written in scripture, Kerwin. That is a silly question to ask me, since it is CLEARLY written in scripture, and was said by Jesus himself.

Now, do YOU understand that the phrase “the word of God” sometimes refers to God's commands and instructions? And other times (rarely), the phrase “the word of God” refers to the SPOKESMAN of God – the one who will ride on the white horse?

In other words, do you, Kerwin, understand that the phrase “the word of God” does NOT always refer to the same thing? YES or NO?

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 06 2013,07:42)

Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,20:45) You find a way to translate and interpret according to what you want to believe and discount other interpretations. Kerwin, Read my last post to you in the “Origen” thread.  And then go back a few pages in this thread, find my final “Jesus/Word”comparison post, and see how EVERY SINGLE THING that is said about “the Word” in John 1:1 is also said in other scriptures about “Jesus”.  And then go read Rev 19:13, where it is clearly Jesus who is called “the Word”.  And then read 1 John 1:1, where it is also abundantly clear that he is referring to none other than Jesus Christ by the title “the Word”. It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Jesus was “the Word” who was with God Almighty in the beginning – before all things were created through him. I did not first CHOOSE to believe this, and then set out to twist the scriptures to accommodate my pre-conceived notion.  Instead, it was how I understood John 1 from the first time I ever read it.  The MANY other scriptures I posted for you guys only serve to SUPPORT my first understanding.

Mike,

As far as I know everyone agrees that Jesus is the Word made flesh.  So stating that Jesus has the characteristics of one of his aspects is not even controversial.  

All thing were created by the utterance that were created.  Jesus Christ was created by Jehovah's utterance.

The Utterance is divine and the Word is with God is true.

[mikeboll64]

Surely you jest, Kerwin.  Does 2B believe that?  How about Abe?  Gene?  Ed J?  Marty?

BTW, nice try, but the Word WAS MADE flesh.  The word “egeneto” is a VERB, Kerwin.  In your wording, it would mean that someone called the Word actually MADE (ie: created) some flesh.  

In reality, the Word “BECAME flesh”.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 06 2013,09:44)

Surely you jest, Kerwin.  Does 2B believe that?  How about Abe?  Gene?  Ed J?  Marty? BTW, nice try, but the Word WAS MADE flesh.  The word “egeneto” is a VERB, Kerwin.  In your wording, it would mean that someone called the Word actually MADE (ie: created) some flesh.   In reality, the Word “BECAME flesh”.

Mike,

Are you stating my grammar is wrong because I changed the type of past verb. It is good grammar according to the test at grammarly.com.

The wood was made a bat.
How was the wood made a bat?
The hitter is wood made a bat.

[2besee]

Quote (abe @ April 06 2013,05:52)

Quote (2besee @ April 05 2013,03:11) Quote (abe @ April 05 2013,16:03) Hi Mike, (quote) Kerwin, where are the scriptures that teach us that John the Baptist came to testify about the Holy Spirit at all – let alone “the Holy Spirit Son of God”? Jn.1:29   The next day John sees Jesus coming to him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world. 30This is he of whom I said, After me comes a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32And John bore record, saying, I saw the    SPIRIT descending from heaven like a dove, and it stayed  on  him. 33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said to me, On whom you shall see the SPIRIT   descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which   baptizes   with the    Holy Ghost.    34And I saw, and bore record that this is the     Son of God. Jn.3:29   “He who has the    BRIDE     is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. So this joy of mine has been made full. 30“He must increase, but I must decrease. And John bore record, saying, I saw the    SPIRIT descending from heaven like a dove, and it stayed  on  him. “He who has the    BRIDE     is the bridegroom; The Spirit is the Bride. Peace. Abe, I'm starting to see it now. Rev.21 [1] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. [2] And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; [3] and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; [4] he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.” —————— That is connected right? Hi 2b, Amen. Bride Rom.8:22   For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we     ourselves,      HAVING the     FIRSTFRUITS      of the   Spirit,   even we ourselves groan within ourselves,   waiting   eagerly for [our] adoption as sons, the    Redemption    of our body. 2Cor.1:21-22    Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He    anointed     us, set his   Seal  of ownership on us, and put his   Spirit   in our hearts as a    Deposit,   Guaranteeing what is      TO COME. Deposit is the Bride.    To Come is the Wife. New Jerusalem            Holy Jerusalem Eph.1:13   In Him,(Christ) you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation– having also believed, you were   Sealed    in   Him with the HOLY SPIRIT   of    Promise,    14who is given as a   PLEDGE (deposit)     of our    inheritance,   with a view to the  redemption    of [God's own] possession, to the praise of His glory. 2Cor.5:4   For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the     SPIRIT    as a   DEPOSIT,   Guaranteeing  what   is           TO COME. I hope this helps. Peace brother.

Hi Abe.

Do you believe that The Holy Spirit and Jesus became ONE?

Where do you believe Jesus is NOW?

Thank you Abe.

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