In the Beginning

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,05:37)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,09:50) 2besee…….Exclent Posts, I told Mike and T8 severial times over the years, that the Trinitarinas were closer to the truth them they were, becasue they at least see God's Presence in Jesus………… Gene, The “Shepherd” quote that 2B posted isn't saying GOD was in Jesus.  It is saying the “Holy Spirit Son of God” was in Jesus. Do you agree with the shepherd that it was God's SON who was in Jesus, doing the works?  Or do you believe like the scriptures say, that it was God who was in Jesus, doing the works?

Mike …….God's spirit is what produces his sons and it is his very own spirit, part of his very own self, so yes God's spirt can be considered a son of God i in that SENSE “Mike

Come on Mike this is not that hard to see brother.

Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:31)

Mike, Is your spirit with you? Is your spirit you?

No. And No.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:34)

Mike, Do you believe that God tents in a believer by his Spirit?

I believe that God, who in reality dwells in heaven, can metaphorically dwell within believers via His Holy Spirit.

So I guess my answer to your question is “Yes”.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:47)

I brought is up because Paul chose to refer to the Spirit of the Son within him as the Son.

Which scripture?

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:47)

I brought it up because the Son in Jesus is also recorded as saying Abba Father.

Scripture, please?

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:47)

Students are adopted sons as they have fallen short of the glory of God.  They each have the Son in them.

Yes, both Father and Son can metaphorically dwell within a believer via spirit.

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:47)

Jesus is the natural son as he did not fall short of the glory of God.  He has the Son in him.

Scripture?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,15:24)

Mike……..like a marriage , the women gives herself to her husband and they are considered one flesh , but we know they are not really one flesh but are considered as one flesh .

So Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” got married, Gene? But they are really still TWO different sons of God living in heaven? Is that it?

Because that doesn't sound to me like what the shepherd was saying in that snippet I quoted.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,15:46)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,05:46) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,12:24) Hi Mike, Is the Spirit of God?    God Himself? Please  Yes or No? Nope. Mike………..wrong again, Jesus said, God is “A” Spirit  and must be “spiritually perceived . To say the spirit of GOD is not God, is  to deny God can live “in” Jesus or any one else .

Get the scriptural words right, Gene.  God can dwell in us THROUGH His Holy Spirit.

It is called “the Holy Spirit OF God”, not “the Holy Spirit God”, right?

So try to base your understanding around the words that are actually written in the scriptures, okay?

Btw, I don't deny that God was in Jesus (via His Holy Spirit) doing the works.

But remember what the word OF means.  And remember what possessive pronouns like HIS mean.

For example, Mike cut off HIS arm.  Now, does “Mike himself” still exist – even without HIS arm, which was not “Mike himself”, but a POSSESSION OF “Mike himself”?   YES or NO, Gene?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,16:34)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,05:37) Do you agree with the shepherd that it was God's SON who was in Jesus, doing the works?  Or do you believe like the scriptures say, that it was God who was in Jesus, doing the works? Mike …….God's spirit is what produces his sons and it is his very own spirit, part of his very own self, so yes God's spirt can be considered a son of God in that SENSE

Okay Gene,

You have posted this same thing to me at least three times now.  I heard you the FIRST time.  Now hear ME:

2B and company are NOT saying the Holy Spirit is the Son of God in some “metaphorical – in that SENSE” sort of way.  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, GENE?  YES or NO?

Instead, they are saying the Holy Spirit is LITERALLY God's Son, in EVERY WAY THAT A SON IS A SON TO A FATHER.  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, GENE?  YES or NO?

So you can stop saying what you've already said to me three times, okay?  You are comparing apples to oranges, which does nothing to sort out the complexities of this discussion.  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, GENE?  YES or NO?

Now, to address your “in that SENSE” claim:

Matthew 3:9
And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Since God is the one who can make sons of Abraham, can we metaphorically – in that SENSE – say that God is a son of Abraham?

If we cannot, then your “in that SENSE” claim doesn't work.  And since it doesn't work, please don't bring it up to me again.

Now Gene, if you continue to post these same things after I've already addressed them more than once, I will just ignore the post, okay?

[mikeboll64]

Okay fellers,

I'm doing my best to field all of your questions – even the ones that don't have anything to do with this discussion.

And it has become painfully clear to me that not one of you is able to produce even one little scripture that even HINTS at the Holy Spirit of God being called a Son of God.

Nor has any of you been able to explain to me how the ENTIRE BEING OF GOD ALMIGHTY could have been with the ENTIRE BEING OF GOD ALMIGHTY in the beginning.

If something comes to you at a later time, feel free to bring it up. But right now, all I can see are wheels spinning in the mud and going nowhere. It's time to move on with John 1…………..

2 He was with God in the beginning.

Okay, first we must decide who exactly the “God” is in this verse. I vote that the one called “God” is “THE ENTIRE BEING OF GOD ALMIGHTY”.

Does anyone here disagree with me on this point? Speak now, or forever hold your peace. If no one voices their disagreement by tomorrow, I will assume we all agree.

[abe]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,13:24)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,05:16) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,22:49) The holy, pre-existent Spirit, that created every creature, God made to dwell in flesh, which He chose. This flesh, accordingly, in which the Holy Spirit dwelt, was nobly subject to that Spirit, walking religiously and chastely, in no respect defiling the Spirit; and accordingly, after living excellently and purely, and after labouring and co-operating with the Spirit, and having in everything acted vigorously and courageously along with the Holy Spirit, He assumed it as a partner with it. 2B, I will take the writings of this shepherd to task, as time allows, since this writing – not canonized scripture – seems to be the backbone of your argument, and seems to be important to you. First up:  The last line of the above quote seems to be saying that the flesh man Jesus of Nazareth became “a partner” with the “Holy Spirit Son of God”. To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two.  What say you? Mike……..like a marriage , the women gives herself to her husband and they are considered one flesh , but we know they are not really one flesh but are considered as one flesh . God sees them as one unit even throw they are two different beings, same with the spirit of God it can become one with our spirit also and coexist in our body as one, therefore Jesus said “me and my father are one”, and again, “he who has seen me has not seen me but my father”. The reason they have not seen Jesus is because Jesus was not doing “his will” but in subjection to the Father was doing the Fathers will, so the two spirits , Jesus' and the Fathers were in ONE body ( Jesus' body) doing ONE WILL , the Fathers Will acting as one unit. Mike surely you can understand this right, but your “pride” is preventing you from agreeing with it. IMO Peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

Hi Gene,

To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two.

Amen.

God sees them as one unit even throw they are two different beings, same with the spirit of God it can become one with our spirit also and coexist in our body as one,

Amen.

Eph.5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined to his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Peace brothers.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,11:28)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,15:24) Mike……..like a marriage , the women gives herself to her husband and they are considered one flesh , but we know they are not really one flesh but are considered as one flesh . So Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” got married, Gene?  But they are really still TWO different sons of God living in heaven?  Is that it? Because that doesn't sound to me like what the shepherd was saying in that snippet I quoted.

Mike……….NO Mike you have it wrong I never said that.  Jesus' Spirit like our Spirits dwell in our bodies and when God who is Spirit also comes into us  we through obedience to IT by yielding our own separate wills to him we become one with him . His spirit in us makes us his sons , just as it did Jesus. Gods spirit is what “produces” the sons of God and is God “IN” us.  Haven't you read where it say that God may be in all and through ALL. . How do you think that happens Mike?

Therefore if the Spirit of Christ ( the Christo's ) which is the (anointing spirit of God) dwell in you “IT” will also (as it did Jesus' body) quicken your martial ” bodies”

There is nothing difficult here Mike.

Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Abe……….you are right it is just like a marriage it is the great mystery of marriage in a spiritual sense, in fact marriage was introduced by God in the human race for the very purpose of us understanding how the , two distinct spirits , can dwell together as one, our spirit and God's can merge and function as one. But as the husband is the head of the wife so is God the Father the head of us as we merge with him in a spiritual marriage . IMO

Peace and love with you and yours brother……………………………..gene

[abe]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:24)

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2013,02:52) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,22:11) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,12:26) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,20:39) Good one Abe Hi 2b, Heb.2:9   Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the    Father of spirits,    and live? Peace brother.. Abe, It is a good one for the point as the same word that is spirits here is the spirits in “seven spirits” and “spirits of the prophets” in Revelations. It is also the spirits in “unclean spirits” and “evil spirits” in a number of passages about demon ownership. The following is not Scripture.  It is a test of interpretations. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of the Seven spirits, and live? Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits of the prophets, and live? Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of unclean spirits, and live? Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of evil spirits, and live? Which of these interpretations pass the smell test? Note: 1 Corinthians 12:10 seems to be speaking of the spirits of the human heart.  Some think it is the spirits of prophecy but all believers can distinguish between the true and the false. T, Abe, and all; I addressed this more specifically than I meant. To all, I am speaking of who I addressed it to not the content.

Hi Kerwin,

(quote)
It is a good one for the point as the same word that is spirits here is the spirits in “seven spirits” and “spirits of the prophets” in Revelations.

I agree, but the spirits of the prophets is One of the seven spirits. Spirit of Counsel

Is.11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots.
2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest on him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

I believe Jesus made the Seven, One through marriage.

In the beginning God created, I think everything created in the first day is SPIRIT. Christ is called Wisdom of God, Word of God, Son of God, Power of God, Spirit of God, Glory of God. I can give you scripture if you would like? Why isn't Is.11:1-2 connected to Rev.5:12 and Rev.7:12? WHY? Read the commentaries on the chapters, the Trinitarians don't want anything to do with them. The Spirit of the Lord is only ONE of the Seven.

Peace brother.

[terraricca]

Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,08:04)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,13:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,05:16) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,22:49) The holy, pre-existent Spirit, that created every creature, God made to dwell in flesh, which He chose. This flesh, accordingly, in which the Holy Spirit dwelt, was nobly subject to that Spirit, walking religiously and chastely, in no respect defiling the Spirit; and accordingly, after living excellently and purely, and after labouring and co-operating with the Spirit, and having in everything acted vigorously and courageously along with the Holy Spirit, He assumed it as a partner with it. 2B, I will take the writings of this shepherd to task, as time allows, since this writing – not canonized scripture – seems to be the backbone of your argument, and seems to be important to you. First up:  The last line of the above quote seems to be saying that the flesh man Jesus of Nazareth became “a partner” with the “Holy Spirit Son of God”. To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two.  What say you? Mike……..like a marriage , the women gives herself to her husband and they are considered one flesh , but we know they are not really one flesh but are considered as one flesh . God sees them as one unit even throw they are two different beings, same with the spirit of God it can become one with our spirit also and coexist in our body as one, therefore Jesus said “me and my father are one”, and again, “he who has seen me has not seen me but my father”. The reason they have not seen Jesus is because Jesus was not doing “his will” but in subjection to the Father was doing the Fathers will, so the two spirits , Jesus' and the Fathers were in ONE body ( Jesus' body) doing ONE WILL , the Fathers Will acting as one unit. Mike surely you can understand this right, but your “pride” is preventing you from agreeing with it. IMO Peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene Hi Gene, To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two. Amen. God sees them as one unit even throw they are two different beings, same with the spirit of God it can become one with our spirit also and coexist in our body as one, Amen. Eph.5:31   For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined to his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Peace brothers.

Abe

The holy spirit his Not the son of God ,

This is religion mik mak ,not scriptural,

You seem to have knowledge but lack understanding in truth

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,12:09)

I'm not sure why, Abe.  If the entire being of Mike is a creation, then it stands to reason that the hand OF Mike is also a creation – since it is a part OF the entire being of Mike, right? So, if the entire being of God Almighty is NOT a creation, but has always existed, then it likewise stands to reason that all parts OF that eternally existing being have also existed from eternity, right? I don't think it's logical to assume that only certain parts of God existed from eternity, while other parts of Himself were created at a later time, do you? And since I believe the Holy Spirit OF God to be a part OF the entire being of God Almighty, I likewise believe that the Holy Spirit part of God has existed for as long as the entire being of God has existed.

Hi Mike,

Wisdom OF God, Word of God, Son of God, Power of God,
You have no problem excepting these terms, but Spirit of God you cant except? Odd?

Peace brother.

[terraricca]

Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,08:43)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:24) Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2013,02:52) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,22:11) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,12:26) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,20:39) Good one Abe Hi 2b, Heb.2:9   Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the    Father of spirits,    and live? Peace brother.. Abe, It is a good one for the point as the same word that is spirits here is the spirits in “seven spirits” and “spirits of the prophets” in Revelations. It is also the spirits in “unclean spirits” and “evil spirits” in a number of passages about demon ownership. The following is not Scripture.  It is a test of interpretations. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of the Seven spirits, and live? Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits of the prophets, and live? Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of unclean spirits, and live? Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of evil spirits, and live? Which of these interpretations pass the smell test? Note: 1 Corinthians 12:10 seems to be speaking of the spirits of the human heart.  Some think it is the spirits of prophecy but all believers can distinguish between the true and the false. T, Abe, and all; I addressed this more specifically than I meant. To all, I am speaking of who I addressed it to not the content. Hi Kerwin, (quote) It is a good one for the point as the same word that is spirits here is the spirits in “seven spirits” and “spirits of the prophets” in Revelations. I agree, but the spirits of the prophets is One of the seven spirits.   Spirit of Counsel Is.11:1   And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots. 2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest on him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding,    the spirit of counsel     and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; I believe Jesus made the Seven,     One     through marriage. In the beginning God created,   I think everything created in the first day is  SPIRIT.  Christ is called Wisdom of God, Word of God, Son of God, Power of God, Spirit of God, Glory of God. I can give you scripture if you would like?  Why isn't  Is.11:1-2  connected to Rev.5:12 and Rev.7:12?   WHY?   Read the commentaries on the chapters, the Trinitarians don't want anything to do with them. The Spirit of the Lord is only  ONE  of the Seven. Peace brother.

Abe

We're does it say that everything. In the first day all what was spirit was created

[abe]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,18:46)

Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,08:04) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,13:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,05:16) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,22:49) The holy, pre-existent Spirit, that created every creature, God made to dwell in flesh, which He chose. This flesh, accordingly, in which the Holy Spirit dwelt, was nobly subject to that Spirit, walking religiously and chastely, in no respect defiling the Spirit; and accordingly, after living excellently and purely, and after labouring and co-operating with the Spirit, and having in everything acted vigorously and courageously along with the Holy Spirit, He assumed it as a partner with it. 2B, I will take the writings of this shepherd to task, as time allows, since this writing – not canonized scripture – seems to be the backbone of your argument, and seems to be important to you. First up:  The last line of the above quote seems to be saying that the flesh man Jesus of Nazareth became “a partner” with the “Holy Spirit Son of God”. To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two.  What say you? Mike……..like a marriage , the women gives herself to her husband and they are considered one flesh , but we know they are not really one flesh but are considered as one flesh . God sees them as one unit even throw they are two different beings, same with the spirit of God it can become one with our spirit also and coexist in our body as one, therefore Jesus said “me and my father are one”, and again, “he who has seen me has not seen me but my father”. The reason they have not seen Jesus is because Jesus was not doing “his will” but in subjection to the Father was doing the Fathers will, so the two spirits , Jesus' and the Fathers were in ONE body ( Jesus' body) doing ONE WILL , the Fathers Will acting as one unit. Mike surely you can understand this right, but your “pride” is preventing you from agreeing with it. IMO Peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene Hi Gene, To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two. Amen. God sees them as one unit even throw they are two different beings, same with the spirit of God it can become one with our spirit also and coexist in our body as one, Amen. Eph.5:31   For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined to his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Peace brothers. Abe The holy spirit his Not the son of God , This is religion mik mak ,not scriptural, You seem to have knowledge but lack understanding in truth

Hi T,

Is.65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18But be you glad and rejoice for ever in that which I CREATE: for, behold, I CREATE Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

(quote)
The holy spirit his Not the son of God ,

Born from the DEAD.

Peace brother..

[terraricca]

Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,09:07)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,18:46) Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,08:04) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,13:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,05:16) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,22:49) The holy, pre-existent Spirit, that created every creature, God made to dwell in flesh, which He chose. This flesh, accordingly, in which the Holy Spirit dwelt, was nobly subject to that Spirit, walking religiously and chastely, in no respect defiling the Spirit; and accordingly, after living excellently and purely, and after labouring and co-operating with the Spirit, and having in everything acted vigorously and courageously along with the Holy Spirit, He assumed it as a partner with it. 2B, I will take the writings of this shepherd to task, as time allows, since this writing – not canonized scripture – seems to be the backbone of your argument, and seems to be important to you. First up:  The last line of the above quote seems to be saying that the flesh man Jesus of Nazareth became “a partner” with the “Holy Spirit Son of God”. To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two.  What say you? Mike……..like a marriage , the women gives herself to her husband and they are considered one flesh , but we know they are not really one flesh but are considered as one flesh . God sees them as one unit even throw they are two different beings, same with the spirit of God it can become one with our spirit also and coexist in our body as one, therefore Jesus said “me and my father are one”, and again, “he who has seen me has not seen me but my father”. The reason they have not seen Jesus is because Jesus was not doing “his will” but in subjection to the Father was doing the Fathers will, so the two spirits , Jesus' and the Fathers were in ONE body ( Jesus' body) doing ONE WILL , the Fathers Will acting as one unit. Mike surely you can understand this right, but your “pride” is preventing you from agreeing with it. IMO Peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene Hi Gene, To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two. Amen. God sees them as one unit even throw they are two different beings, same with the spirit of God it can become one with our spirit also and coexist in our body as one, Amen. Eph.5:31   For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined to his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Peace brothers. Abe The holy spirit his Not the son of God , This is religion mik mak ,not scriptural, You seem to have knowledge but lack understanding in truth Hi T, Is.65:17   For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18But be you glad and rejoice for ever in that which I     CREATE:   for,    behold,   I    CREATE   Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. (quote) The holy spirit his Not the son of God , Born from the  DEAD. Peace brother..

abe

i said ;The holy spirit his Not the son of God ,

you answered :Born from the  DEAD.

TELL ME IS THEIR A CODE YOU ONLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE I HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO READ THAT ANSWER

MY OTHER QUESTION WAS; HOW YOU CAME TO THE CONCLUTION THAT IN THE FIRST DAY ALL THAT WAS SPIRIT WAS CREATED

YOU HAVE QUOTED ME ISI;65; 17-18

Isa 65:11 “But as for you who forsake the LORD
and forget my holy mountain,
who spread a table for Fortune
and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny,
Isa 65:12 I will destine you for the sword,
and you will all bend down for the slaughter;
for I called but you did not answer,
I spoke but you did not listen.
You did evil in my sight
and chose what displeases me.”
Isa 65:13 Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says:
“My servants will eat,
but you will go hungry;
my servants will drink,
but you will go thirsty;
my servants will rejoice,
but you will be put to shame.
Isa 65:14 My servants will sing
out of the joy of their hearts,
but you will cry out
from anguish of heart
and wail in brokenness of spirit.
Isa 65:15 You will leave your name
to my chosen ones as a curse;
the Sovereign LORD will put you to death,
but to his servants he will give another name.
Isa 65:16 Whoever invokes a blessing in the land
will do so by the God of truth;
he who takes an oath in the land
will swear by the God of truth.
For the past troubles will be forgotten
and hidden from my eyes.
Isa 65:17 “Behold, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
Isa 65:18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
Isa 65:19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT IS NOT THE FIRST DAY OF CREATION BUT OF THE NEW CREATION THAT GOD WILL DO FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ENTER INTO THE NEW EARTH AND UNDER THE NEW HEAVEN ,SO IT IS TO COME IN THE FUTURERIGHT

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,06:20)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:34) Mike, Do you believe that God tents in a believer by his Spirit? I believe that God, who in reality dwells in heaven, can metaphorically dwell within believers via His Holy Spirit. So I guess my answer to your question is “Yes”.

Mike,

Your answer sounds plausible except I believe that Jehovah's seat of power is in heaven and that he is everywhere his creation is.

Jesus also tents in believers by the same spirit even though he is currently in heaven.
.
Given that is the Son in Paul, as written of in Galatians 1:16, Jesus or the Spirit?

Galatians 1:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

[abe]

Hi T,

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT IS NOT THE FIRST DAY OF CREATION BUT OF THE NEW CREATION THAT GOD WILL DO FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ENTER INTO THE NEW EARTH AND UNDER THE NEW HEAVEN ,SO IT IS TO COME IN THE FUTURERIGHT

SO IT IS TO COME IN THE FUTURERIGHT

Has Christ risen from the dead?

Peace brother..

[kerwin]

Mike,

The Son is a metaphor of the Spirit's relationship to Jehovah as there is but one God.

Jesus being the Son is also a metaphor of his relationship to Jehovah.

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