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Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:24) Mike, 2besee understood my question about whether is is flesh and blood that cries Abba Father or if instead it is the Son within.
Two different scriptures in Galatians word it two different ways, Kerwin. One says that WE cry Abba through the spirit, and one says that it is the spirit of the Son within us that cries Abba.I still don't understand where the line of questioning is going. Phil 2 says we should have in us the “mind” of Christ. In other words, our ATTITUDES should be like the attitude of Jesus, who willingly emptied himself of his status at the right hand of God to be made as a lesser being – a human being – to fulfill the will of his God. This could also be worded as such: We should have within us the SPIRIT of Jesus Christ, who was willing to humble himself and be made as a much lower life form to please his God.
In other words, if we show the same spirit that Jesus showed on earth, we too will understand that God in heaven is our one true Father, and cry out to Him “Abba, Father!” – in anticipation of our becoming true sons of God.
The verse gives no hint whatsoever about the Holy Spirit being the Son of God – which is why I neglected to address your question. In other words, the question has nothing to do with our current discussion – so why bring it up?
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,03:57) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,19:26) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,20:39) Good one Abe 
Hi 2b,Heb.2:9 Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?
Peace brother..
Yes Abe, good verse.
I agree 2B. All the verses Abe quotes are “good”. They are, after all, scripture, right?Which one of them says a single thing about the Holy Spirit of God being the Son of God though? None that I've seen thus far.
Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,00:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,09:35) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,23:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,22:37) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,10:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2013,18:39) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,16:09) Mike, it shows that there are two: The Son of Man AND the Holy Spirit, and that the two are different (You can say a word against one and be forgiven but you cannot say a word against the other and be forgiven).
Yes 2B. I AGREE that Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God are TWO different things. But how does that scripture say that the Holy Spirit is the Son of God?Learn from the scriptures, 2B:
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
Do you notice that NO ONE was saying Jesus was “the Holy Spirit Son of God”? Yet Peter got it right when he said Jesus was the “Son of God”, right?
And all throughout the OT, there were hints that God was going to send what? A MESSIAH, right? Jesus is the Messiah God SENT into the world, 2B. And it just so happened that the Messiah God sent into the world was also God's firstborn Son.
2B, Gene, and Kerwin, do you guys think the Holy Spirit is the “Messiah” that God was to send into the world? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,Jn.4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Spirit OF Spirit. Spirit of God.
Peace brother.
AbeGod his a spirit being,we are spirit souls in working in the flesh ,
Our spirit his our will ,wants,by our flesh we act upon those wills and wants,either good or bad,
Now God also have a will and wants and it is through his spiritual body that he act to fulfill his wills and wants but only in good ,truth,
This is why all his written words and his son ,apostles have asked to worship Their God in spirit and truth,and stop to live as animal in the flesh,got it
Hi T,Acts2:32 n This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear.
received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost,
You are saying Jesus received God HIMSELF.
Yes or no?
Peace brother.
Peace brother..
abeQuote You are saying Jesus received God HIMSELF. this is a strange question that you ask me ;is my teaching this bad ,that you can twist my words that around
NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAYING ,BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WE CAN NOT RECEIVE PARTS OF GOD'S BODY ,AND SO WE ONLY CAN RECEIVE THE MEANING OR UNDERSTANDING OF THE THINGS HE WANTED US TO DO AND TO UNDERSTAND ,AND FOR THAT PURPOSE HE SEND HIS SON AND AFTER THAT HE SEND THE HELPER TO THE DISCIPLES FOR THE PURPOSE TO GIVE THEM COURAGE,UNDERSTANDING FOR THE THING TO COME IN WHICH THEY WILL AND ARE TAKING PART OF ,
THE TRUTH OF GOD IS NOT SOMETHING GIVEN TO ALL ,ONLY TO THOSE THAT BUILT TRUTH IN THEIR HEARTS AND SO GOD GIVE THEM MORE AND MORE ,THE WICKED CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH OF GOD ,THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION
Hi T,(quote)
NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAYING ,BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WE CAN NOT RECEIVE PARTS OF GOD'S BODY(quote)
Our spirit his our will.Spirit of God WE CAN NOT RECEIVE PARTS OF GOD'S BODY
You are talking out of BOTH sides of your mouth.
Peace brother.
abeQuote You are talking out of BOTH sides of your mouth. is this in the scriptures
or is it only your opinion ,when you can not answer in truth
or do you disagree that God almighty his a being ???even though he his of the spirit realm ,
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,09:50) 2besee…….Exclent Posts, I told Mike and T8 severial times over the years, that the Trinitarinas were closer to the truth them they were, becasue they at least see God's Presence in Jesus…………
Gene,The “Shepherd” quote that 2B posted isn't saying GOD was in Jesus. It is saying the “Holy Spirit Son of God” was in Jesus.
Do you agree with the shepherd that it was God's SON who was in Jesus, doing the works? Or do you believe like the scriptures say, that it was God who was in Jesus, doing the works?
Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,11:16) received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, You are saying Jesus received God HIMSELF.
You should ask that question of 2B, Abe. HE is the one who says the “god” in part c of John 1:1 is the very “God” he was with. HE is the one who says the Holy Spirit OF God IS the very God it is OF.Pierre and I don't have that misconception.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,10:31) Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,00:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,09:35) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,23:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,22:37) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,10:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2013,18:39) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,16:09) Mike, it shows that there are two: The Son of Man AND the Holy Spirit, and that the two are different (You can say a word against one and be forgiven but you cannot say a word against the other and be forgiven).
Yes 2B. I AGREE that Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God are TWO different things. But how does that scripture say that the Holy Spirit is the Son of God?Learn from the scriptures, 2B:
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
Do you notice that NO ONE was saying Jesus was “the Holy Spirit Son of God”? Yet Peter got it right when he said Jesus was the “Son of God”, right?
And all throughout the OT, there were hints that God was going to send what? A MESSIAH, right? Jesus is the Messiah God SENT into the world, 2B. And it just so happened that the Messiah God sent into the world was also God's firstborn Son.
2B, Gene, and Kerwin, do you guys think the Holy Spirit is the “Messiah” that God was to send into the world? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,Jn.4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Spirit OF Spirit. Spirit of God.
Peace brother.
AbeGod his a spirit being,we are spirit souls in working in the flesh ,
Our spirit his our will ,wants,by our flesh we act upon those wills and wants,either good or bad,
Now God also have a will and wants and it is through his spiritual body that he act to fulfill his wills and wants but only in good ,truth,
This is why all his written words and his son ,apostles have asked to worship Their God in spirit and truth,and stop to live as animal in the flesh,got it
Hi T,Acts2:32 n This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear.
received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost,
You are saying Jesus received God HIMSELF.
Yes or no?
Peace brother.
Peace brother..
abeQuote You are saying Jesus received God HIMSELF. this is a strange question that you ask me ;is my teaching this bad ,that you can twist my words that around
NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAYING ,BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WE CAN NOT RECEIVE PARTS OF GOD'S BODY ,AND SO WE ONLY CAN RECEIVE THE MEANING OR UNDERSTANDING OF THE THINGS HE WANTED US TO DO AND TO UNDERSTAND ,AND FOR THAT PURPOSE HE SEND HIS SON AND AFTER THAT HE SEND THE HELPER TO THE DISCIPLES FOR THE PURPOSE TO GIVE THEM COURAGE,UNDERSTANDING FOR THE THING TO COME IN WHICH THEY WILL AND ARE TAKING PART OF ,
THE TRUTH OF GOD IS NOT SOMETHING GIVEN TO ALL ,ONLY TO THOSE THAT BUILT TRUTH IN THEIR HEARTS AND SO GOD GIVE THEM MORE AND MORE ,THE WICKED CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH OF GOD ,THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION
Hi T,(quote)
NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAYING ,BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WE CAN NOT RECEIVE PARTS OF GOD'S BODY(quote)
Our spirit his our will.Spirit of God WE CAN NOT RECEIVE PARTS OF GOD'S BODY
You are talking out of BOTH sides of your mouth.
Peace brother.
abeQuote You are talking out of BOTH sides of your mouth. is this in the scriptures
or is it only your opinion ,when you can not answer in truth
or do you disagree that God almighty his a being ???even though he his of the spirit realm ,
Hi T,Jam.1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Peace brother.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,10:46) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,12:24) Hi Mike, Is the Spirit of God? God Himself?
Please Yes or No?
Nope.
Hi Mike,Didn't you tell me the Spirit of God is uncreated? Do I have to go and find this post?
Peace.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2013,19:19) Quote (abe @ Feb. 26 2013,21:45) Hi Mike, 1. Christ is the Beginning of the creation. (WISDOM)
2. The WORD is another Part of HIM. (WORD)
3. The Spirit of God is another PART of him. (SPIRIT)
4. The different parts were created IN the First DAY or (LIGHT).
5. How did they get separated?
Peace brother…
Hi Abe,1. Yes. Christ is the beginning of God's creation. (Rev 3:14)
2. The Word, as it applies to Jesus, is a title for the head spokesman of God. This particular Word is the Son of God, not a “part of” God.
3. I agree that the Spirit of God is a part of God, like an extension of Him.
4. Jesus Christ/The Word was created as the first of God's works, before the ages. The Holy Spirit was not created.
5. Who was separated? The Son of God has always been a different being than God – ever since God created him as the first of His works.
peace
Hi Mike,4. Jesus Christ/The Word was created as the first of God's works, before the ages. The Holy Spirit was not created.
The Holy Spirit was not created.
Peace.
Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,12:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,10:46) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,12:24) Hi Mike, Is the Spirit of God? God Himself?
Please Yes or No?
Nope.
Hi Mike,Didn't you tell me the Spirit of God is uncreated?
Yep.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,10:43) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,11:16) received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, You are saying Jesus received God HIMSELF.
You should ask that question of 2B, Abe. HE is the one who says the “god” in part c of John 1:1 is the very “God” he was with. HE is the one who says the Holy Spirit OF God IS the very God it is OF.Pierre and I don't have that misconception.
Hi Mike,Pierre and I don't have that misconception.
The Holy Spirit was not created.
Just a little confused?
Peace.
I'm not sure why, Abe. If the entire being of Mike is a creation, then it stands to reason that the hand OF Mike is also a creation – since it is a part OF the entire being of Mike, right?
So, if the entire being of God Almighty is NOT a creation, but has always existed, then it likewise stands to reason that all parts OF that eternally existing being have also existed from eternity, right?
I don't think it's logical to assume that only certain parts of God existed from eternity, while other parts of Himself were created at a later time, do you?
And since I believe the Holy Spirit OF God to be a part OF the entire being of God Almighty, I likewise believe that the Holy Spirit part of God has existed for as long as the entire being of God has existed.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,00:43) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,11:16) received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, You are saying Jesus received God HIMSELF.
You should ask that question of 2B, Abe. HE is the one who says the “god” in part c of John 1:1 is the very “God” he was with. HE is the one who says the Holy Spirit OF God IS the very God it is OF.Pierre and I don't have that misconception.
Mike,Is your spirit with you?
Is your spirit you?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,00:37) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,09:50) 2besee…….Exclent Posts, I told Mike and T8 severial times over the years, that the Trinitarinas were closer to the truth them they were, becasue they at least see God's Presence in Jesus…………
Gene,The “Shepherd” quote that 2B posted isn't saying GOD was in Jesus. It is saying the “Holy Spirit Son of God” was in Jesus.
Do you agree with the shepherd that it was God's SON who was in Jesus, doing the works? Or do you believe like the scriptures say, that it was God who was in Jesus, doing the works?
Mike,Do you believe that God tents in a believer by his Spirit?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,00:28) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:24) Mike, 2besee understood my question about whether is is flesh and blood that cries Abba Father or if instead it is the Son within.
Two different scriptures in Galatians word it two different ways, Kerwin. One says that WE cry Abba through the spirit, and one says that it is the spirit of the Son within us that cries Abba.I still don't understand where the line of questioning is going. Phil 2 says we should have in us the “mind” of Christ. In other words, our ATTITUDES should be like the attitude of Jesus, who willingly emptied himself of his status at the right hand of God to be made as a lesser being – a human being – to fulfill the will of his God. This could also be worded as such: We should have within us the SPIRIT of Jesus Christ, who was willing to humble himself and be made as a much lower life form to please his God.
In other words, if we show the same spirit that Jesus showed on earth, we too will understand that God in heaven is our one true Father, and cry out to Him “Abba, Father!” – in anticipation of our becoming true sons of God.
The verse gives no hint whatsoever about the Holy Spirit being the Son of God – which is why I neglected to address your question. In other words, the question has nothing to do with our current discussion – so why bring it up?
Mike,I brought is up because Paul chose to refer to the Spirit of the Son within him as the Son.
I brought it up because the Son in Jesus is also recorded as saying Abba Father.
Students are adopted sons as they have fallen short of the glory of God. They each have the Son in them.
Jesus is the natural son as he did not fall short of the glory of God. He has the Son in him.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,22:11) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,12:26) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,20:39) Good one Abe
Hi 2b,Heb.2:9 Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?
Peace brother..
Abe,It is a good one for the point as the same word that is spirits here is the spirits in “seven spirits” and “spirits of the prophets” in Revelations.
It is also the spirits in “unclean spirits” and “evil spirits” in a number of passages about demon ownership.
The following is not Scripture. It is a test of interpretations.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of the Seven spirits, and live?
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits of the prophets, and live?
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of unclean spirits, and live?
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of evil spirits, and live?
Which of these interpretations pass the smell test?
Note: 1 Corinthians 12:10 seems to be speaking of the spirits of the human heart. Some think it is the spirits of prophecy but all believers can distinguish between the true and the false.
T, Abe, and all;I addressed this more specifically than I meant.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,05:16) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,22:49) The holy, pre-existent Spirit, that created every creature, God made to dwell in flesh, which He chose. This flesh, accordingly, in which the Holy Spirit dwelt, was nobly subject to that Spirit, walking religiously and chastely, in no respect defiling the Spirit; and accordingly, after living excellently and purely, and after labouring and co-operating with the Spirit, and having in everything acted vigorously and courageously along with the Holy Spirit, He assumed it as a partner with it.
2B, I will take the writings of this shepherd to task, as time allows, since this writing – not canonized scripture – seems to be the backbone of your argument, and seems to be important to you.First up: The last line of the above quote seems to be saying that the flesh man Jesus of Nazareth became “a partner” with the “Holy Spirit Son of God”.
To me, that sounds like Jesus and the “Holy Spirit Son of God” are now one being, not two. What say you?
Mike……..like a marriage , the women gives herself to her husband and they are considered one flesh , but we know they are not really one flesh but are considered as one flesh .God sees them as one unit even throw they are two different beings, same with the spirit of God it can become one with our spirit also and coexist in our body as one, therefore Jesus said “me and my father are one”, and again, “he who has seen me has not seen me but my father”.
The reason they have not seen Jesus is because Jesus was not doing “his will” but in subjection to the Father was doing the Fathers will, so the two spirits , Jesus' and the Fathers were in ONE body ( Jesus' body) doing ONE WILL , the Fathers Will acting as one unit.
Mike surely you can understand this right, but your “pride” is preventing you from agreeing with it. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,00:47) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,10:31) Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,00:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,09:35) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,23:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,22:37) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,10:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2013,18:39) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,16:09) Mike, it shows that there are two: The Son of Man AND the Holy Spirit, and that the two are different (You can say a word against one and be forgiven but you cannot say a word against the other and be forgiven).
Yes 2B. I AGREE that Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God are TWO different things. But how does that scripture say that the Holy Spirit is the Son of God?Learn from the scriptures, 2B:
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
Do you notice that NO ONE was saying Jesus was “the Holy Spirit Son of God”? Yet Peter got it right when he said Jesus was the “Son of God”, right?
And all throughout the OT, there were hints that God was going to send what? A MESSIAH, right? Jesus is the Messiah God SENT into the world, 2B. And it just so happened that the Messiah God sent into the world was also God's firstborn Son.
2B, Gene, and Kerwin, do you guys think the Holy Spirit is the “Messiah” that God was to send into the world? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,Jn.4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Spirit OF Spirit. Spirit of God.
Peace brother.
AbeGod his a spirit being,we are spirit souls in working in the flesh ,
Our spirit his our will ,wants,by our flesh we act upon those wills and wants,either good or bad,
Now God also have a will and wants and it is through his spiritual body that he act to fulfill his wills and wants but only in good ,truth,
This is why all his written words and his son ,apostles have asked to worship Their God in spirit and truth,and stop to live as animal in the flesh,got it
Hi T,Acts2:32 n This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear.
received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost,
You are saying Jesus received God HIMSELF.
Yes or no?
Peace brother.
Peace brother..
abeQuote You are saying Jesus received God HIMSELF. this is a strange question that you ask me ;is my teaching this bad ,that you can twist my words that around
NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAYING ,BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WE CAN NOT RECEIVE PARTS OF GOD'S BODY ,AND SO WE ONLY CAN RECEIVE THE MEANING OR UNDERSTANDING OF THE THINGS HE WANTED US TO DO AND TO UNDERSTAND ,AND FOR THAT PURPOSE HE SEND HIS SON AND AFTER THAT HE SEND THE HELPER TO THE DISCIPLES FOR THE PURPOSE TO GIVE THEM COURAGE,UNDERSTANDING FOR THE THING TO COME IN WHICH THEY WILL AND ARE TAKING PART OF ,
THE TRUTH OF GOD IS NOT SOMETHING GIVEN TO ALL ,ONLY TO THOSE THAT BUILT TRUTH IN THEIR HEARTS AND SO GOD GIVE THEM MORE AND MORE ,THE WICKED CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH OF GOD ,THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION
Hi T,(quote)
NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAYING ,BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WE CAN NOT RECEIVE PARTS OF GOD'S BODY(quote)
Our spirit his our will.Spirit of God WE CAN NOT RECEIVE PARTS OF GOD'S BODY
You are talking out of BOTH sides of your mouth.
Peace brother.
abeQuote You are talking out of BOTH sides of your mouth. is this in the scriptures
or is it only your opinion ,when you can not answer in truth
or do you disagree that God almighty his a being ???even though he his of the spirit realm ,
Hi T,Jam.1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Peace brother.
abewhat
show me ONE THING THAT I SAID THAT IS WORTH YOUR COMMENT ;
or take back what you said about me
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,05:46) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,12:24) Hi Mike, Is the Spirit of God? God Himself?
Please Yes or No?
Nope.
Mike………..wrong again, Jesus said, God is “A” Spirit and must be “spiritually perceived . To say the spirit of GOD is not God, is to deny God can live “in” Jesus or any one else . As I have told you before you simply do not know what a spirit is. When Jesus said the Father is “in” him he meant the complete FATHER not just part of him.That is why you can't believe God spoke first person through Jesus and at times , right through his very mouth directly to us . It was not Jesus who said , destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up that was God the Father speaking through Jesus first person. When Thomas said my Lord “and” my God he meant both his lord Jesus and God the Father was present , the light finally turned on for Thomas, now it is time for you to come to see God the Father ( the complete Father ) was “in” Jesus, not just part of Him. Jesus had the fullness of the spirit in him, yes God the only true God was in bodily form, He was in the Body of Jesus dwelling with Jesus reconciling the world unto himself.
Mike on one side of your mouth you say you believe Jesus, but on the other you deny what he said , he said the Father was “IN” him but you say just part of the father was in him, but scripture says God dwelt among us in bodily form, he came to his own creation and they did not recognize him, that was not the man Jesus being talked about there it was God the Father who is Spirit came to us in the body of Jesus , as the Christo's or anointing Spirit of God which is God himself.
Do you still not yet truly believe the Father was indeed “IN” Jesus Mike.?
Peace and love to you and yours ………………………..gene
Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2013,02:52) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,22:11) Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,12:26) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,20:39) Good one Abe
Hi 2b,Heb.2:9 Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?
Peace brother..
Abe,It is a good one for the point as the same word that is spirits here is the spirits in “seven spirits” and “spirits of the prophets” in Revelations.
It is also the spirits in “unclean spirits” and “evil spirits” in a number of passages about demon ownership.
The following is not Scripture. It is a test of interpretations.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of the Seven spirits, and live?
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits of the prophets, and live?
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of unclean spirits, and live?
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of evil spirits, and live?
Which of these interpretations pass the smell test?
Note: 1 Corinthians 12:10 seems to be speaking of the spirits of the human heart. Some think it is the spirits of prophecy but all believers can distinguish between the true and the false.
T, Abe, and all;I addressed this more specifically than I meant.
To all,I am speaking of who I addressed it to not the content.
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