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Quote Bride 2Cor.1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his Seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Deposit is the Bride. To come is the Wife.
New Jerusalem Holy Jerusalem2Co 1:18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not “Yes” and “No.”
2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silas and Timothy, was not “Yes” and “No,” but in him it has always been “Yes.”
2Co 1:20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God.
2Co 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
2Co 1:22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2Co 1:23 I call God as my witness that it was in order to spare you that I did not return to Corinth.
2Co 1:24 Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm.please give more details how you come to the above ” bride and wife “
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,13:01) abe Quote Bride 2Cor.1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his Seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Deposit is the Bride. To come is the Wife.
New Jerusalem Holy Jerusalem2Co 1:18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not “Yes” and “No.”
2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silas and Timothy, was not “Yes” and “No,” but in him it has always been “Yes.”
2Co 1:20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God.
2Co 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
2Co 1:22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2Co 1:23 I call God as my witness that it was in order to spare you that I did not return to Corinth.
2Co 1:24 Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm.please give more details how you come to the above ” bride and wife “
Hi T,Eph.1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation– having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of [God's own] possession, to the praise of His glory.
2Cor.5:4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2Cor.11:2 (Paul) I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.
Rev.14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as Firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
Heb.11:39 And these all,(Saints) having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.!2:1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Matt.24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, THIS Generation Shall Not Pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.Acts1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Peace brother.
Quote (abe @ Mar. 28 2013,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,13:01) abe Quote Bride 2Cor.1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his Seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Deposit is the Bride. To come is the Wife.
New Jerusalem Holy Jerusalem2Co 1:18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not “Yes” and “No.”
2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silas and Timothy, was not “Yes” and “No,” but in him it has always been “Yes.”
2Co 1:20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God.
2Co 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
2Co 1:22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2Co 1:23 I call God as my witness that it was in order to spare you that I did not return to Corinth.
2Co 1:24 Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm.please give more details how you come to the above ” bride and wife “
Hi T,Eph.1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation– having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of [God's own] possession, to the praise of His glory.
2Cor.5:4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2Cor.11:2 (Paul) I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.
Rev.14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as Firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
Heb.11:39 And these all,(Saints) having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.!2:1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Matt.24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, THIS Generation Shall Not Pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.Acts1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Peace brother.
Hummm,hmmm,???,hummmmmTo All……….God is the CHRISTOS “anointing Sprit” Jesus had the Cristos “IN” HIM God was present “IN” him Via the CRISTOS SPIRIT. If youare a Anointined Person You have the Christos (anointing Spirit) In You also , You have God the Father “IN” you also. that God may be “IN” all and “through” all God is Spirit and can Indwell us in our very Bodies , Or Know you not says Paul, that your “body” is the temple of the Living God, who is Holy Spirit
Just as Jesus said He was in the Father and the Father was in him and we can be “IN” the Father and he “IN” Us also, now if this has happened to you you are In Christ (the Christos and the Christos (anointing Sprit) in “IN” you.). One Spirit of God in all and Through All., Just that simple nothing difficult about it. God is Spirit and can “INDWELL” FELSH, all flesh at the same time.
Peace and love to you all…………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 28 2013,17:10) To All……….God is the CHRISTOS “anointing Sprit” Jesus had the Cristos “IN” HIM God was present “IN” him Via the CRISTOS SPIRIT. If youare a Anointined Person You have the Cnhristos (anointing Spirit) In You also , You have God the Father “IN” you also. that God may be “IN” all and “through” all God is Spirit and can Indwell us in our very Bodies , Or Know you notthat your “body” is the temple of the Holy Spirit Just as Jesus said He was in the Father and the Father was in him and we can be inthe Father and he in Us also, now if thishas happened to you you are In Christ (the Christos and the Cristos in “IN” you.). ONe Spirit of God in all and Through All., Just that simple nothing difficult about it. God is Spirit and can “INDWELL” FELSH, all flesh.
Peace and love to you all…………………………………….gene
Hi Gene,Rom.8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Peace brother..
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2013,10:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,23:03)
The point of my exercise is that ALL of the things said about the Word in John 1 are also said about Jesus in other scriptures. That isn't the case with “the Most High God” and “the Son of the Most High God”, is it?
In some verses it is.
You are missing the point. All the things John wrote about “the Word” in 1:1 are also written about Jesus in other scriptures.Now if there was even one single verse that said “the Word is greater than Jesus”, or “Jesus is the servant of the Word”, my whole theory would be shot down.
It is because of these kinds of scriptures concerning God and His servant Jesus Christ that YOUR theory is shot down.
But once again, this ISN'T a “Jesus is God” thread.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,13:01) abe Quote Bride 2Cor.1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his Seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Deposit is the Bride. To come is the Wife.
New Jerusalem Holy Jerusalem2Co 1:18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not “Yes” and “No.”
2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silas and Timothy, was not “Yes” and “No,” but in him it has always been “Yes.”
2Co 1:20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God.
2Co 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
2Co 1:22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2Co 1:23 I call God as my witness that it was in order to spare you that I did not return to Corinth.
2Co 1:24 Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm.please give more details how you come to the above ” bride and wife “
Hi T,2Co 1:22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Rom.8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Spirit of God Wife Jerusalem
Spirit of Christ Bride New Jerusalem
Peace brother.
The italicized words below are things said about “the Word” in John 1. The scriptures listed in parenthesis identify some of the places in scripture where those same exact things are said about Jesus.
1. And the Word was a god: (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)
2. He was with God in the beginning: (John 17:5)
3. All things were made through him: (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)
4. In him was life, and that life was the light of men: (John 5:26, John 8:12)
5. The light shines in the darkness: (Matthew 4:16; John 3:19; 2 Corinthians 4:6)
6. John the Baptist came as a witness to testify concerning that light: (John 1:29-34; 3:26; 5:32-36)
7. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world: (Isaiah 42:6-7; John 3:19, 9:5, 12:35-36, 46; Luke 1:78-79)
8. Though he was in the world, the world did not recognize him: (Isaiah 53:3, John 4:10, Acts 13:27, John 12:37-38, 1 John 3:1)
9. He came to that which was his own: (Col 1:16; Matt 11:27; John 3:35, 13:3, 16:15; Eph 1:10; Heb 1:2)
10. but his own did not receive him: (Luke 9:53; John 5:43; Acts 13:46)
11. to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God: (Acts 4:12; John 3:14-16; Gal 3:26; Heb 2:10; Eph 1:5)
12. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us: (1 John 1:1-2, 4:2; Phil 2:6-7; Rom 8:3; Gal 4:4-5)
13. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten: (John 1:18, 3:16-18; 1 John 4:9)
14. who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.: (John 1:16, 14:6; Luke 2:40; Romans 1:5)
15. John testified concerning him.: (Mark 1:7-8; John 1:32, 34; John 3:26; John 5:32-33; John 10:41)
16. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”: (John 1:29-30; John 3:28,30; Micah 5:2)
Thus ends my John 1 comparison of “the Word” and “Jesus Christ”. I will now start the entire process over comparing “the Word” with “the Holy Spirit Son of God”.
John 1:1 2BV (2B's Version)
In the beginning was the HOLY SPIRIT SON OF GOD, and the HOLY SPIRIT SON OF GOD was with God, and the HOLY SPIRIT SON OF GOD was God.I guess first up on the agenda will be 2B, Kerwin, and Gene offering their scriptures that say the Holy Spirit of God is the Son of God.
Next will be their explanations as to how this “Son of God” could actually BE the very God he was WITH in the beginning.
Ready, set, GO!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2013,12:46) John 1:1 2BV (2B's Version)
In the beginning was the HOLY SPIRIT SON OF GOD, and the HOLY SPIRIT SON OF GOD was with God, and the HOLY SPIRIT SON OF GOD was God.I guess first up on the agenda will be 2B, Kerwin, and Gene offering their scriptures that say the Holy Spirit of God is the Son of God.
Next will be their explanations as to how this “Son of God” could actually BE the very God he was WITH in the beginning.
Ready, set, GO!
Mike……As i have told youbefor You do not understand what a SPIRIT really IS> You are looking at Sprit like you do a Person and a Sprit is not a Person “IT” is in what is “IN” a Person. Jesus said GOD is a SPIRIT, that is not a Person as you think a Person is. Spirit can “INDWELL” People and GOD Who is the Father of all Creation was “IN” Jesus and can be IN ALL of US.Go reread what Abe quoted he has posted it right brother. And so have i posted it right also . IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Mike…….The Sons of God is what the Spirit of God produces , That Spirit was in Jesus he received it at his Baptism Jordan river. So in a real “SENSE” the Holy Spirit does and can be said to berth Son of God , because it makes us sons of God. just like it did Jesus,that is why we are called His brethren. We like him are all one Spirit Family the Family of the Son of God. IMO
Sorry you seem to not be able to understand that Mike.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………..gene
Gene, you are blowing it. I hear you talking, but you're not really saying anything.
Here is what I'm looking for:
1. Scripture(s) that clearly teach that the Holy Spirit is the Son of God.
2. An explanation as to how this “Son of God” could BE the very God he was WITH in the beginning.
Do you now understand the mission set before you, Gene? Perhaps your next post could actually address the two points I want addressed, okay?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2013,19:05) Gene, you are blowing it. I hear you talking, but you're not really saying anything. Here is what I'm looking for:
1. Scripture(s) that clearly teach that the Holy Spirit is the Son of God.
2. An explanation as to how this “Son of God” could BE the very God he was WITH in the beginning.
Do you now understand the mission set before you, Gene? Perhaps your next post could actually address the two points I want addressed, okay?
Hi Mike,Acts2:32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.
No doubt the Holy Spirit is a Son Of God.
Peace brother.
I'm not reading anything like that from the verse you posted, Abe. Point out for me which exact words should be telling me that the Holy Spirit of God is the Son of God………… because I'm surely not seeing it.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2013,19:49) I'm not reading anything like that from the verse you posted, Abe. Point out for me which exact words should be telling me that the Holy Spirit of God is the Son of God………… because I'm surely not seeing it.
Hi Mike,What did Jesus receive from the Father? What do you say the Holy Spirit is?
Peace brother.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2013,20:34) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2013,10:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,23:03)
The point of my exercise is that ALL of the things said about the Word in John 1 are also said about Jesus in other scriptures. That isn't the case with “the Most High God” and “the Son of the Most High God”, is it?
In some verses it is.
You are missing the point. All the things John wrote about “the Word” in 1:1 are also written about Jesus in other scriptures.Now if there was even one single verse that said “the Word is greater than Jesus”, or “Jesus is the servant of the Word”, my whole theory would be shot down.
It is because of these kinds of scriptures concerning God and His servant Jesus Christ that YOUR theory is shot down.
But once again, this ISN'T a “Jesus is God” thread.
Not shot down if there are two in the Godhead…one serving the other and both reigning over mankind.Mike………If i called the DNA in you, your Fathers Son, would that not be true, is that not part of your father delivered to you through conception. I believe you full well know what we are saying, The term Son means a prodigy, like the term human race you are part of that , same with all Sons, he is part of or a prodigy his Father, “because” he is the product of the Father.
Now if God is a Spirit, then it is the spirit of His that produces a Son. So he is of a certain Spirit kind, a prodigy, Just as you are of a certain Human kind. and if you have God Spirit in you it is producing a God Spirit kind “IN” you, So can't you see in a real “SENSE” the Holy Spirit can be call the son of GOD, if it “DWELLS “in YOU then you are made a Son of GOD by that Spirit Dwelling in you.
Mike what is amazing how you demand a Specific Statement in Scriptures that say that exactly and i will grant you i have never seen one, but when it comes to me asking you for a Specific Scripture that says what you and T8 say about Jesus' PREEXISTENCE you will not admit there is none, That “SPECIFICALLY Say Jesus Preexisted as a living being, before his life on the earth.
But i do believe you full well understand what we are saying and we have produced many scriptures supporting our argument.
Mike i agree with 2besee, you have been shown plenty of scriptures that support what we all are saying , So what the point?
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 29 2013,20:15) Mike………If i called the DNA in you, your Fathers Son, would that not be true, is that not part of your father delivered to you through conception. I believe you full well know what we are saying, The term Son means a prodigy, like the term human race you are part of that , same with all Sons, he is part of or a prodigy his Father, “because” he is the product of the Father. Now if God is a Spirit, then it is the sprit of His that produces a Son. So he is of a certian Spirit kind, a prodigy, Just as you are of a certian Human kind. and if you have God Spirit in you it is producing a God Spirit kind “IN” you, So can't you see in a real “SENSE” the Holy Spirit can be call the son of GOD, if it “DWELLS “in YOU then you are made a Son of GOD by that Sprit Dwelling in you.
Mike what is amazing how you deman a Specifice Statement in Scriptures that say that exactly and i will grant you i have never seen one, but when it comes to me asking you for a Specifice Scripture that says what you and T8 say about Jesus' PREEXISTENCE you will not admit there is none, That “SPECIFICALLY Say Jesus Preexisted as a living being, his life on the earth.
But i do believe you fulll well understand what we are saying and we have produced many scriptures supporting our argument.
Mike i agree with 2besee, you have been shown plenty of scriptures that support what we all are saying , So what the point?
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………..gene
Gene,Are these what Mike is looking for?
Romans 8:15
King James Version (KJV)15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
and
Galatians 4:6
King James Version (KJV)6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Kerwin…….I don't know , but perhaps what you posted will help. John said we can not sin because his “SEED” abides “IN” us, that is the new man being formed in us, making us sons of God, while the old man is being destroyed, as we grow in putting on the NEW MAN which is from heaven , born not of the will of the flesh, but by the will of GOD.
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
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