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- June 18, 2018 at 6:10 pm#831075NickHassanParticipant
Hi LU,
Thank you.
Do you expect any change in the dogma ?
June 18, 2018 at 6:47 pm#831077Ed JParticipantHi Anthony,
Yes the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son.
We will come to him. Jn 14.23
Wow Nick,
Pretty Good!
“Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth?
what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” (Prov 30:4-6)____________
God bless
Ed JJune 19, 2018 at 12:37 am#831103ProclaimerParticipantThe Holy Spirit came upon Mary.
Did the son come upon himself to reproduce himself in the flesh?
What strange teaching is this.
June 19, 2018 at 1:14 am#831108AnthonyParticipantNick. <span id=”en-NKJV-17481″ class=”text Eccl-9-5″>For the living know that they will die;</span>
<span class=”text Eccl-9-5″>But the dead know nothing,</span>
<span class=”text Eccl-9-5″>And they have no more reward,</span>
<span class=”text Eccl-9-5″>For the memory of them is forgotten. <span id=”en-NKJV-17531″ class=”text Eccl-12-7″>Then the dust will return to the earth as it was,</span>
<span class=”text Eccl-12-7″>And the spirit will return to God who gave it. Nick the Spirit doesn’t stay with the body of dust</span></span>The Spirit is the breath of life or the breath of God. God bless Nick.
June 19, 2018 at 1:22 am#831109AnthonyParticipantI wonder why the post I send came out like that? I thing you can figure it out Nick.
June 19, 2018 at 1:33 am#831110AnthonyParticipantWhy do you Nick ,Jodi and Gene keep telling everyone that there Antichrist. you know for now we know in part but when that one which is perfect comes we shall know. Why because I don’t belive that The Lord Jesus Christ was more then just man
And I believe that He Jesus Chris pre-existe with His Father God bless.
June 19, 2018 at 1:37 am#831111AnthonyParticipantI believe that Jesus Christ was more than a Man. Wow that’s better Nick
June 19, 2018 at 1:42 am#831112AnthonyParticipantT8 I agree the Spirit came upon Mary. God bless.
June 19, 2018 at 2:00 am#831113GeneBalthropParticipantLU….You preach a preexisting God came in the flesh as i recall, as all tritarians do, so you do not teach Jesus as just a man, born to us and became a perfected human being, by the anointing spirit of the “ONLY” TRUE GOD, NO you believe a God who would not need to be “ANOINTED” by ANOTHER God, because he was already a GOD. THAT is what I understood to be your triniatrian view.
Therefore if you truly are a tritarian, then you are an ANITCHRIST, AS THEY ARE, Why because you deny JESUS AS COMMING INTO HIS VERY “EXISTENCE”, EXACTLY AS WE DO. YOU believe he was A GOD “MORPHED” FROM ANOTHER EXISTENCE, INTO THE FORM OF A HUMAN, AND WAS DESGUISED AS A HUMAN BEING, BUT TRULY NOT “ONLY” A HUMAN BEING EXACTLY LIKE THE REST OF US.
IF I AM WRONG THEN PLEASE SHOW ME.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
June 19, 2018 at 2:31 am#831114GeneBalthropParticipantNick…I believe you do truly deny what death is, as Jodi said, you want us to believe we go to another word where punishment takes place, like the rich man parable, even thoug that parable does not say a word about sin, but suffering only, you seem to be attached to some strange continuation of life after death, as if there is no real death, but scriptures says when a person dies his thought parish, and the dead know nothing.
You don’t seem to realize that death and “regeneration” back to life is the greatest tool God uses to show that he alone is God and gives life and takes it, there is no other.
You also beny JESUS’ OWN WORDS, “i was “dead” and now am alive for ever”. You say he was not truly “Dead”, but he said he was dead. So who are we to believe you or JESUS?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
June 19, 2018 at 4:49 am#831115JodiParticipantHi LU
The word “again” is the transliterated word “anistemi” and it was translated in scriptures as,
arise 38, rise 19, rise up 16, rise again 13, raise up 11, stand up 8, raise up again 2, miscellaneous 5
Regardless if the passage in Acts is to be accurately translated arise, or rise again doesn’t matter one bit.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
For Jesus to have been without sin means that he had to have been born of God.
In order for Jesus to be the lamb without spot or blemish he had to be born of God.
We know that Jesus was born of God at the river.
Jesus tells us that you have to be born of water and the Spirit to enter God’s kingdom.
Acts tells us specifically at his resurrection that he is born of God on that day.
This DAY I have begotten thee.
June 19, 2018 at 5:06 am#831116GeneBalthropParticipantAnthony, why do we keep telling you are Antichrists, because you trinitarians , believe Jesus was A God, and therefore he did not need to be recieve t h e holy spirit, at a baptizm, as we do. You reason why would A God need to be anointed by a God because he already is a God. That is the same reasonings of the GNOSTIC’S, at the time of the apostles JOHN AND PAUL.
HERE is a question that proves the point, do you think Jesus needed to be baptised in order to not sin?
Now if you believe he was a ordinary flesh and blood human being and therefore “had” to be baptized by GOD in order to do what he did, then you are not a Antichrist.
BUT IF YOU BELIEVE THAT HE DIDN’T NEED TO BE BAPTIZED, IN ORDER TO DO THE THINGS HE DID, THEN YOU ARE A ANTICHRIST.
The word Antichrist, means a person who denys Jesus’ as comming to he existence as a flesh and blood human being “exactly’ like us, not a morphed being who was transfered from one existence to a human existence. A human flesh and blood person who “HAD” to be “BAPTIZED” by God the Father, inorder to be the MESSAIH OF GOD.
ANTICHRIST IS ALL ABOUT HOW YOU “VIEW” THE MAN JESUS.
For unto us (true believers) there is but “ONE” GOD, and “ONE” MEDERATOR BETWEEN THAT “ONE” GOD AND MAN THE “MAN” Jesus who is the CHRISTO’S (anointed one) OF GOD.
So you tell us if you are ANTICHRIST (anti-anointing) or not?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
June 19, 2018 at 6:30 am#831117NickHassanParticipantHi Jodi,
Quoting Psalm 2 is not evidence that it meant that his resurrection was yet another rebirth.
1jn 1 tells of the remedy for those who have been reborn to find forgiveness for sin so your constant repetition of the verse telling us they cannot sin needs to be balanced.
Your dogmas are leaking.
June 19, 2018 at 6:52 am#831118NickHassanParticipantHi Gene,
Yes you do not understand biblical death.
Sheol is real and the OT is full of descriptions of it.
why would you discard the Old Testament to justify your dogma?
Hades is also. It could not hold Jesus after he died as scripture foretold.
Likewise Jesus promised the same jail breaking abilities to the Body of Christ in Mt 16.15.
I also say to you that you are peter and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it’
June 19, 2018 at 7:05 am#831119NickHassanParticipantHi Anthony,
Not more of a man than you or I at his birth.
But transformed by the Spirit anointing into a miracle worker who knew the mind of God.
And he showed the way for ordinary folk to follow him and even do greater things than he did.
It is about the glory of God and the mercy of God but men seem to prefer to worship men.
‘‘God’s power shows up best in weak people’
June 19, 2018 at 7:10 am#831120NickHassanParticipantHi Gene,
You think you are destined to be with the rich man in Hades?
Surely you have passed over from death to life and you should not fear punishment?
June 19, 2018 at 7:44 am#831124JodiParticipantHi LU,
You said, “An unblemished lamb is unblemished from birth, it doesn’t go from blemished to unblemished. Jesus didn’t go from imperfect to perfect. I have explained to you before that Jesus was “perfected” by His sufferings is meant to indicate a sense of completion of what He was sent to do. His sufferings perfected His mission. More later.”
Any lamb that happens to be born without spot or blemish, doesn’t mean that they are going to go through their life remaining without spot or blemish, does it LU??
Seems like you are in full denial that a human has to be BORN of God’s Spirit to REMAIN without sin.
Jesus was a human being just like us.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Jesus was able to REMAIN holy by God’s Spirit.
WHO DIED on the cross LU?
Was it a MAN of whom remained without sin because he had been BORN of God?
WHO did God GIVE LU? Who was lifted up like the serpent that Moses lifted up?
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
God GAVE the SON OF MAN, the SON OF MAN who was BORN of God’s Spirit, which kept him without sin, and by this as CLEARLY DEFINED for us in scripture, he is a Son of God.
Being the ONLY Son of MAN that remained without sin having been BORN of God this makes the SON of MAN the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
You deny all this LU, you say that it was a pre-existing son that is God’s Only Begotten, and He gave this son to us by turning him into a human being.
You deny CHRIST, as CHRIST is the MAN born of God’s Spirit, and by that he is a Son.
God said to David, of your seed I will put my Spirit upon him, and I shall be to him a father, and he shall be to me a Son.
The ONLY BEGOTTEN Son is the man who SHED his BLOOD, not a pre-existing son shed his blood.
the glory of CHRIST is the work that God MADE in a MAN
not the glory of CHRIST is in the fact that he was a pre-existing son
June 19, 2018 at 8:11 am#831125NickHassanParticipantHi Gene,
Death is real.
Jesus really died and his human spirit returned to God.
But those who have not passed over from death to life while they walk the earth face the judgement.
And the judgement is about the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20.13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them, and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake the of fire.
The dead can think and speak and plead before the judge,
Mt 25.42
Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked or sick or in prison and did not take care of you?
So the first death is the end of opportunities and is a doorway to the future.
Jude 12 speaks of those who are doubly dead referencing the same.
June 19, 2018 at 8:18 am#831126AnthonyParticipantHi Gene you accused me of be a Trinity believer is that really how you feel. I’m telling you that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ and the Father your the one making the Holy Spirit to be someone else other The Spirit of Jesus Christ and the Farther. Then who is the Holy Spirit then Gene. And by the way Gene Jesus Christ isn’t eternal only the Father has no beginning His Son does. God bless. You keep on say that most of us here are Trinity believes and Antichrist. Is that your way to try to make people feel there believing wrong or something . I don’t no what your game is but ilI’ tell you this Gene it won’t work with me. Who is the Holy Spirit Gene. He told those with Him that He wouldn’t leave the comfortless His said I will come do you suppose That He did Just that. God bless.
June 19, 2018 at 8:24 am#831127NickHassanParticipantHi Jodi,
1jn 1
This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is light,
and in Him there is no darkness ar all
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth,
but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one anther,
and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.
If we say we have no sin, we are deceiving urselves and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned we make Him a liar and His Word is not in us.
The sanctification by the Spirit is a process we must be involved in.
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