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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,03:46) Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,08:02) Good morning brothers and sisters in Christ: I asked God for understanding relative to the Greek Words Logos and Rhema, and I believe that He has shown me that the Logos is “The totality of God's Word” whereas the Rhema are “the individual sayings of God”.
Thus when Jesus was tempted by the devil he replied:
Quote Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word(Rhema) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,Please explain your revelation in light of this scripture:
1 Cor 2:4 NRSV ©
My speech and my proclamation were not with plausible words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit and of power,Both bolded words above are the Greek word “logos”. I don't intend to make light of your revelation, and I applaud you for asking the only One who can give understanding, but here is the same scripture with your new understanding inserted:
1 Cor 2:4 NRSV ©
My totality of God's Word and my proclamation were not with plausible totality of God's Word of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit and of power,Is Paul saying his proclaimation was NOT from the Word of God? Please explain.
peace,
mike
Hi Mike:Paul is speaking of Human wisdom in these verses, and not the Logos of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyPaladin, listen VERY closely here:
DOES THE IMPERFECT TENSE OF ECHO PROHIBIT JESUS FROM REFERRING TO A PAST GLORY THAT HE HIMSELF HAD OR NOT? YES or NO?
Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,12:52) Hi Mike: Paul is speaking of Human wisdom in these verses, and not the Logos of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Of course he is, Marty. And since he used the word “logos” to refer to words of human wisdom, the word “logos” does not necessarily mean what your revelation told you it does.It also could simply mean “word” – just like “rhema”.
peace,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,05:58) Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,12:52) Hi Mike: Paul is speaking of Human wisdom in these verses, and not the Logos of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Of course he is, Marty. And since he used the word “logos” to refer to words of human wisdom, the word “logos” does not necessarily mean what your revelation told you it does.It also could simply mean “word” – just like “rhema”.
peace,
mike
Hi Mike:There is such thing as human wisdom which is different from the Logos of God, and so, I stand by the revelation as God has given it to me.
Ask Him to show you if this is what He has said or not rather than trying to argue with it.
I answered your question. Paul is not talking about the Logos of God in these verses. He is talking of human wisdom.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Paladin @ July 03 2011,12:32) Mike LISTEN VERY CLOSELYAll it takes is for you to produce a verse that shows Jesus receiving something he had before, and the activity being described in the Greek imperfect parallel to how it is used in John 17:5.
Paladin,Here's one that's close enough to prove my point:
Matthew 27:16 NET ©
At that time they had in custody a notorious prisoner named Jesus Barabbas.This is also the imperfect tense of “echo”, so are we to believe that the Romans STILL had Barabbas in custody at the time Matthew wrote his gospel? Or did the imperfect tense simply signify a PAST EVENT?
Paladin, the hoop you are giving me to jump through here is similar to the “sandal removed” hoop. One cannot rightfully use, “since there is no other scripture about it, I am right” as a solid support to their theory. And I've already showed you this with the “sandal” thing. Your assertion was if I couldn't find an instance where anyone's name was called “the one who had his sandal removed”, you were right.
Well, there IS no scripture that relates how a brother did NOT produce offspring for his dead brother, so we could not test it. But did that mean you were right? Of course not, for I showed you Genesis 17:5, which proves that “his name is called……” is simply another way of saying “his name IS…….”.
So what if there was no other scripture that related how Jesus received ANYTHING EVER? Would that then mean you were right? Again…………OF COURSE NOT.
What YOU need to do in order to retain any bit of credibility on this site is to ADMIT you were wrong about the imperfect tense of echo and move on.
Will you do it? Or will you continue to divert and hide and avoid? I promise you that I won't quit until you've admitted in black and white what we all already know. So how long this goes on is up to you.
mike
Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,13:07) I answered your question. Paul is not talking about the Logos of God in these verses. He is talking of human wisdom.
Right. Which means the word “logos” does not ALWAYS refer to “the totality of God's Word”, but sometimes simply refers to any plain old “word”. I submit that you have either misunderstood your revelation, or that it didn't come from God. I further submit that any secret or special distinction between using the Greek word “rhema” as opposed to “logos” is merely imagined by people like you and Paladin, who aim to use this imagined “revelation” as support to your flawed doctrine.peace,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,05:56) Paladin, listen VERY closely here: DOES THE IMPERFECT TENSE OF ECHO PROHIBIT JESUS FROM REFERRING TO A PAST GLORY THAT HE HIMSELF HAD OR NOT? YES or NO?
Mike, I have already answered your question several times. You didn't even recognize it, because you insist that if I do not respond by jumping through the hoop you designed, you can't see the hoop or the jump.If you will go back and read my posts to you regarding the indicative imperfect active, you will see why it is impossible, and might even quit asking.
I realize a couple of the words are more than one syllable, and you specifically complained I was using words too big, but they are not my words, so deal with it.
You are a deceitful man, Paladin. I agree that you THINK you can use “big words” to fool us. And I even agree it WORKS for people like Gene. Not me, pal.
I don't need to read a millions bogus words from you to get the answer to my question. For my question requires merely a “YES” or a “NO”.
I appears that you want to stick with your “YES” answer and pretend that you've hidden the reasons why in one of your long, meandering posts. So I will ask you the same question about a different imperfect tense of “echo”:
Matthew 27:16 NET ©
At that time they had in custody a notorious prisoner named Jesus Barabbas.This is also the imperfect tense of “echo”, so are we to:
1. Believe that the Romans STILL had Barabbas in custody at the time Matthew wrote his gospel?
2. Believe that Matthew referred to a PAST occurance that had since ended?
Quote (Paladin @ July 03 2011,14:01) Mike, I have already answered your question several times.
Is that so? Well then, let me tweak the question by adding four little words to it:DOES THE IMPERFECT TENSE OF ECHO IN AND OF ITSELF PROHIBIT JESUS FROM REFERRING TO A PAST GLORY THAT HE HIMSELF HAD OR NOT? YES or NO?
MIke…………Your desperation is obvious , Paladin is right in what he presented, Your simply can't admit the truth when it is right in front of your face. Making Large letters and using stupid Icons to try to belittle and FORCE you DOGMAS on others is the only extent of you intelligence it seem lately. Just admit the Truth YOU ARE AS WRONG AS WRONG CAN BE, AND MANY KNOW THAT. except you THAT IS Mike. IMO
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,06:48) Quote (Paladin @ July 03 2011,12:32) Mike LISTEN VERY CLOSELYAll it takes is for you to produce a verse that shows Jesus receiving something he had before, and the activity being described in the Greek imperfect parallel to how it is used in John 17:5.
Paladin,Here's one that's close enough to prove my point:
Matthew 27:16 NET ©
At that time they had in custody a notorious prisoner named Jesus Barabbas.This is also the imperfect tense of “echo”, so are we to believe that the Romans STILL had Barabbas in custody at the time Matthew wrote his gospel? Or did the imperfect tense simply signify a PAST EVENT?[/quote]
Mike, have you read nothing in my post? I already answered this before you even asked it.
Quote Paladin, the hoop you are giving me to jump through here is similar to the “sandal removed” hoop. One cannot rightfully use, “since there is no other scripture about it, I am right” as a solid support to their theory. And I've already showed you this with the “sandal” thing. Your assertion was if I couldn't find an instance where anyone's name was called “the one who had his sandal removed”, you were right. Well, there IS no scripture that relates how a brother did NOT produce offspring for his dead brother, so we could not test it. But did that mean you were right? Of course not, for I showed you Genesis 17:5, which proves that “his name is called……” is simply another way of saying “his name IS…….”.
So what if there was no other scripture that related how Jesus received ANYTHING EVER? Would that then mean you were right? Again…………OF COURSE NOT.
What YOU need to do in order to retain any bit of credibility on this site is to ADMIT you were wrong about the imperfect tense of echo and move on.
Will you do it? Or will you continue to divert and hide and avoid? I promise you that I won't quit until you've admitted in black and white what we all already know. So how long this goes on is up to you.
You can make all the outragious claims you want to, that will not make them true, nor will it make you right, nor will it make you smart.
I do not divert, and I do not hide and I do not avoid. I ignore bad manners and uncouth behaviour.
And I despise false claims about what I posted. When you quote something and claim I said it, provide the post in which I said it.
You tell enough lies about your own posts, without telling lies about mine.
Mike, I have never claimed “since there is no other scripture about it, I am right” as you suggest.What I do claim is “I have at least one scripture, how many do you have?” Where is yours? You already know where mine is.
To Mike, WJ and any one else who questions my teaching credentials;
You claim to know the Greek well enough toa ccuswe me of being wrong in the Greek, so let's just examine a theme and see where you go with it.
Tell me what john 21: 15-17 is about.
Paladin
Quote Tell me what john 21: 15-17 is about.
Back to topJn 13:20 I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.”
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments
Jn 15:17 This is my command: Love each other
If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
Jn 15:27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
Jn 16:1 “All this I have told you so that you will not go astray.
Jn 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.
Jn 16:28 I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”Jn 17:4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
Jn 17:7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
Jn 21:15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
Jn 21:16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me?”
He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
Jn 21:17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.Ac 2:14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say.
Ac 2:15 These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!
Ac 2:16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
Ac 2:17 “ ‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Ac 2:18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
Ac 2:19 I will show wonders in the heaven above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
Ac 2:20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
Ac 2:21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
Ac 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Ac 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
Ac 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
Ac 2:25 David said about him:
“ ‘I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
Ac 2:26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will live in hope,
Ac 2:27 because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.
Ac 2:28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.’
Ac 2:29 “Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day.
Ac 2:30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.
Ac 2:31 Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay.
Ac 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.
Ac 2:33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
Ac 2:34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
Ac 2:35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.” ’
Ac 2:36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
Ac 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Ac 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgivenessPierre
Quote (942767 @ July 04 2011,01:02) Good morning brothers and sisters in Christ: I asked God for understanding relative to the Greek Words Logos and Rhema, and I believe that He has shown me that the Logos is “The totality of God's Word” whereas the Rhema are “the individual sayings of God”.
Thus when Jesus was tempted by the devil he replied:
Quote Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word(Rhema) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Love in Christ,
Marty
When God has an idea or concept, it is logos. When God expresses it by reducing it to a written record, it is reema.There are occasions in scripture where it seems that the words overlap in application.
But the logos became flesh, reema did not. And the reema changes every time a new translation comes out, but the message does not.
Only God could design such as that.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,03:30) You now KNOW the answer, because I showed it to you. What arrogance.
The “answer” has been showed to you many times over, but you will never see it.
What part of…..
Quote “Imperfect describes continuous action usually occuring in past. [eegapwn = “I was loving.”] Aorist describes undefined action in past.:
[eegapeesa = “I loved.”][End Mounce page 280][Paladin's comment] For you to describe Jesus as having glory in the past, and it stopped, and he now wants it restored, or applied again, requires Aorist application to the grammar, not imperfect, which describes a continuous possession of glory, and being continuous, cannot be given again, nor can it be restored, because it was never lost or taken from him.[end]
[Mounce page 187)
Translating Imperative: Almost everything in the imperfect tense (person, number, mood) behaves the same way as it does in the present tense. The only difference is the aspect and usually the time. In general, the Imperfect tense is translated as a past continuous”…..don't you understand?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,03:30)
You MUST be held accountable, and I will make you soSounds like a declaration of war Mike. Do you intend to publish all 1285 indicative imperfect verbs and ask me how they work? I already have them, and you will not make your point because your point is based upon a false understanding of the Greek.
The answer you require deals with the Aorist tense, not the imperfect. You are trying to force an Aorist conclusion from an imperfect problem.
And you are seeking to wage peace with a sword. Your words cry “Peace!” and “Righteousnes!” but you make threats and declarations of self-righteous indignation, boosted with arrogant claims of accomplishment you cannot force.
You accuse me of using “big words” as though big words is the reason you can't comprehend. It makes no sense for you to say I am the cause of your not understanding, then claim you understand better than I do. Which is it Mike?
If I give you one-word answers you certainly will not understand, but will require clarification.
Allow me to demonstrate for you:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,05:56)
DOES THE IMPERFECT TENSE OF ECHO PROHIBIT JESUS FROM REFERRING TO A PAST GLORY THAT HE HIMSELF HAD OR NOT? YES or NO?Either way I respond will require more explanation and a modified question from you.
Suppose I respond with “Yes” –
{The way you have worded your question is ambiguous. Get someone to explain the big word to you. This means the imperfect tense of εχω prohibits Jesus from referring to a past glory that he himself had, or not.}
Suppose I answer “no!” Even bigger problem, as This means the imperfect tense of εχω does not prohibit Jesus from referring to a past glory that he himself had, or does.}
Either way I respond, you won't agree with my response, and that's why I have not responded. I have been waiting for you to ask a question I can answer with one word, but you won't provide the properly-worded question. And the really sad part, Mike, is you blame me for your failure. You somehow have convinced yourself the problem is that your letters are too small.
The whole world is watching Mike, to see if your letters get smaller.
Here are two examples of how the indicative imperfect verb effect how a matter is told about the “beginning” of which John wrote –
“And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which *we had from the beginning, that we love one another.[II Jn 1:15] [eixomen (exw) ind imperfect act][viia–1p]
“But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was *with you.” [Jn 16:4] [eemeen (eimi) ind imperfect middle][viim–1s]
Quote (terraricca @ July 04 2011,13:42) Paladin Quote Tell me what john 21: 15-17 is about.
Back to topJn 13:20 I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.”
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments
Jn 15:17 This is my command: Love each other
If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
Jn 15:27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
Jn 16:1 “All this I have told you so that you will not go astray.
Jn 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.
Jn 16:28 I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”Jn 17:4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
Jn 17:7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
Jn 21:15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
Jn 21:16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me?”
He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
Jn 21:17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.Ac 2:14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say.
Ac 2:15 These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!
Ac 2:16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
Ac 2:17 “ ‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Ac 2:18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
Ac 2:19 I will show wonders in the heaven above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
Ac 2:20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
Ac 2:21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
Ac 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Ac 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
Ac 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
Ac 2:25 David said about him:
“ ‘I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
Ac 2:26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will live in hope,
Ac 2:27 because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.
Ac 2:28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.’
Ac 2:29 “Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day.
Ac 2:30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.
Ac 2:31 Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay.
Ac 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.
Ac 2:33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
Ac 2:34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
Ac 2:35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.” ’
Ac 2:36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
Ac 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Ac 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgivenessPierre
Glad you cleared that up.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 03 2011,18:13) MIke…………Your desperation is obvious , Paladin is right in what he presented, Your simply can't admit the truth when it is right in front of your face. Making Large letters and using stupid Icons to try to belittle and FORCE you DOGMAS on others is the only extent of you intelligence it seem lately. Just admit the Truth YOU ARE AS WRONG AS WRONG CAN BE, AND MANY KNOW THAT. except you THAT IS Mike. IMO
Hi Gene,Perhaps you could explain to us in your own words what Paladin and I are disagreeing about, and your own take on it. In other words, please explain to me how and why the imperfect tense of “echo” in 17:5 prohibits the glory Jesus once had from ending, so that he could be asking for it back.
If you cannot even understand what it is we're discussing, then you should remain quietly at the children's table while the adults are talking.
Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,02:40) When God has an idea or concept, it is logos. When God expresses it by reducing it to a written record, it is reema. There are occasions in scripture where it seems that the words overlap in application.
Do you see that Marty? This is the closest any of us will ever come to Paladin admitting he was wrong!But he has admitted more than he knows. His acknowledgement that the words seem to overlap in application turns his original claim into a guessing game.
And MY guess is that it will be Paladin who forever decides exactly when logos refers to a concept and when it is simply “overlapping” with rhema.
Face it boys, if your theory has gaps and exceptions, it's time to find yourselves another theory.
But I must thank Paladin for admitting (in his own “I will NEVER be wrong” way) that at least sometimes, logos simply means “word” – just like rhema.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,01:01) Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,02:40) When God has an idea or concept, it is logos. When God expresses it by reducing it to a written record, it is reema. There are occasions in scripture where it seems that the words overlap in application.
Do you see that Marty? This is the closest any of us will ever come to Paladin admitting he was wrong!But he has admitted more than he knows. His acknowledgement that the words seem to overlap in application turns his original claim into a guessing game.
And MY guess is that it will be Paladin who forever decides exactly when logos refers to a concept and when it is simply “overlapping” with rhema.
Face it boys, if your theory has gaps and exceptions, it's time to find yourselves another theory.
But I must thank Paladin for admitting (in his own “I will NEVER be wrong” way) that at least sometimes, logos simply means
“word” – just like rhema.Don't be a complete fool Mike.
My reference was to the problems with Logos and reema that seems to give scholars so much trouble.Here is an excerpt from a previous post –
Reema ρεμα seem to reference the written account, while logos λογος seems to reference the concept that the ρεμα is about; i.e., the thought behind the written account.The problem is, sometimes in scripture the two seem to get mixed as though it doesn't matter, and that adds to the confusion among scholars.
How λογος (logos) and ρεμα reema are used in some scriptures:
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the ρεμα reema which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. 7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these λογος logos words which the LORD commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the λογος logos of the people unto the LORD. 9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the ρεμα [reema] of the people unto the LORD. [Exo 9:6-9]
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these ρεμα [reema] words: for after the tenor of these λογος[logos] I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.” [Exo 34:7]
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the ρεμα reema of God:
LOGOS
Hebrews 4:12 For the logos λογος of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.The ρεμα reema which I have spoken unto you are spirit and are life.” John 6:63b
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