Do christians believe anything?

[WhatIsTrue]

Just curious, but do Christians actually agree on anything?

I have observed over the course of my bible studies that for every doctrine there seems to be two opposing camps within Christianity, and both sides claim biblical support.  So, my question is:

Can you name one belief that is unique to Christianity with which every professed Christian agrees?

[karmarie]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,09:23)

Just curious, but do Christians actually agree on anything? I have observed over the course of my bible studies that for every doctrine there seems to be two opposing camps within Christianity, and both sides claim biblical support.  So, my question is: Can you name one belief that is unique to Christianity with which every professed Christian agrees?

Hi WhatIsTrue, are you a Christian yourself?

[WhatIsTrue]

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,02:34)

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,09:23) Just curious, but do Christians actually agree on anything? I have observed over the course of my bible studies that for every doctrine there seems to be two opposing camps within Christianity, and both sides claim biblical support.  So, my question is: Can you name one belief that is unique to Christianity with which every professed Christian agrees? Hi WhatIsTrue, are you a Christian yourself?

I am “post-Christian”, but how is that relevant to the topic at hand?

[karmarie]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,09:45)

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,02:34) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,09:23) Just curious, but do Christians actually agree on anything? I have observed over the course of my bible studies that for every doctrine there seems to be two opposing camps within Christianity, and both sides claim biblical support.  So, my question is: Can you name one belief that is unique to Christianity with which every professed Christian agrees? Hi WhatIsTrue, are you a Christian yourself? I am “post-Christian”, but how is that relevant to the topic at hand?

Just curious thats all!

What do you mean exactly by post christian

[WhatIsTrue]

This topic is not about me. If you want to have a personal discussion, send me a private message.

Did you have a response to the opening post?

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,07:45)

“post-Christian”

WhatIsTrue,

What is a “post-Christian”?

Ed J

[bodhitharta]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,07:23)

Just curious, but do Christians actually agree on anything? I have observed over the course of my bible studies that for every doctrine there seems to be two opposing camps within Christianity, and both sides claim biblical support.  So, my question is: Can you name one belief that is unique to Christianity with which every professed Christian agrees?

Every professed Christian agrees that

Jesus lived
Jesus Died
Jesus was risen from the dead
Jesus had disciples
Jesus was a prophet
Jesus is Christ

I'm not sure how much more they agree on as a whole but from there it gets murky.

For instance I would put down that they all believe that Jesus is the Son of God but essentially this is one of their most confusing doctrines because

Some say him being “The Son” is only a role but “he is” also the Father

Some say that he is subjecting himself as the son but really seperate but equal to the Father

Some say he became “the Son” through obedience.

and it gets even more murky the deeper you go

[Stu]

I'd be interested in any arguments against including these guys as “christians”:

http://www.atheists-for-jesus.com/

The only obvious thing is the literal point that they call him Jesus of Nazareth, not Jesus Christ, so they would not be 'christ-ians'.

They are anti-Paulians more than anything.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,13:23)

I'd be interested in any arguments against including these guys as “christians”: http://www.atheists-for-jesus.com/ The only obvious thing is the literal point that they call him Jesus of Nazareth, not Jesus Christ, so they would not be 'christ-ians'. They are anti-Paulians more than anything. Stuart

Atheists cannot be for Jesus as they do not accept the main premise of Jesus being sent by God.

[WhatIsTrue]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 26 2010,07:48)

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,07:23) Just curious, but do Christians actually agree on anything? I have observed over the course of my bible studies that for every doctrine there seems to be two opposing camps within Christianity, and both sides claim biblical support.  So, my question is: Can you name one belief that is unique to Christianity with which every professed Christian agrees? Every professed Christian agrees that Jesus lived Jesus Died Jesus was risen from the dead Jesus had disciples Jesus was a prophet Jesus is Christ I'm not sure how much more they agree on as a whole but from there it gets murky. For instance I would put down that they all believe that Jesus is the Son of God but essentially this is one of their most confusing doctrines because Some say him being “The Son” is only a role but “he is” also the Father Some say that he is subjecting himself as the son but really seperate but equal to the Father Some say he became “the Son” through obedience. and it gets even more murky the deeper you go

You missed a very key part of my question:

Can you name one belief that is unique to Christianity with which every professed Christian agrees?

None of the beliefs that you mentioned are exclusive to Christians, except for…

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Jesus was risen from the dead

To which, I respond.  See here.

From the article:

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Jehovah’s Witnesses are not the first to deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus.  During the time of the Biblical apostles, the heretical movement of Gnosticism began to invade Christianity, and flourished in the second and third centuries. Gnosticism was an esoteric belief that promised deliverance from the material world which it viewed as completely evil.

It would appear that not all Christians agree that Jesus literally rose from the dead.

Try again.

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 26 2010,14:28)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,13:23) I'd be interested in any arguments against including these guys as “christians”: http://www.atheists-for-jesus.com/ The only obvious thing is the literal point that they call him Jesus of Nazareth, not Jesus Christ, so they would not be 'christ-ians'. They are anti-Paulians more than anything. Stuart Atheists cannot be for Jesus as they do not accept the main premise of Jesus being sent by God.

Why can you not be 'for Jesus' if you say you are? Why do you have to accept mythology first? I could be 'for the pope' without believing that he is in direct succession to Peter.

Not that I AM 'for the pope' you understand. I actually think he should be imprisoned for conspiracy to hide child abusers.

But you get the idea.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,17:02)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 26 2010,14:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,13:23) I'd be interested in any arguments against including these guys as “christians”: http://www.atheists-for-jesus.com/ The only obvious thing is the literal point that they call him Jesus of Nazareth, not Jesus Christ, so they would not be 'christ-ians'. They are anti-Paulians more than anything. Stuart Atheists cannot be for Jesus as they do not accept the main premise of Jesus being sent by God. Why can you not be 'for Jesus' if you say you are?  Why do you have to accept mythology first?  I could be 'for the pope' without believing that he is in direct succession to Peter. Not that I AM 'for the pope' you understand. I actually think he should be imprisoned for conspiracy to hide child abusers. But you get the idea. Stuart

Actually, I concede the point because a person can be for Jesus in a limited sense and actually even in an ultimate sense where most Christians believe that Jesus is God Himself which in effect also negates God as independent and Sovereign.

I have said many times that someone can be Anti-Christ by negating the fact that he is Christ by calling Jesus “God”.

So, I agree with your explanation

[karmarie]

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Every professed Christian agrees that Jesus lived Jesus Died Jesus was risen from the dead Jesus had disciples Jesus was the Son Jesus is Christ

(I corrected that for you above.)

Yep, if it stopped right there, it would be easy.

God calls us and opens our eyes, suddenly the Bible has real meaning, we cant put it down.

But then we make the error
We start to search, we read more than just that, we read books, we search the net, , we look for something to join, its all a big puzzle and we really need the truth!

We enter the world of Babylon-Confusion
God is not the Author of confusion
Problems start occuring in our personal life –
our thoughts get consumed
Weve come so far from where we were and God is left far behind

RETURN UNTO ME, and I will RETURN UNTO YOU, saith the LORD of Hosts

[Stu]

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,20:38)

God is not the Author of confusion

Genesis 11:7-9

1 Corinthians 1:27

Stuart

[karmarie]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,22:55)

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,20:38) God is not the Author of confusion Genesis 11:7-9 1 Corinthians 1:27 Stuart

Oh sorry I didnt realize I was quoting Paul

That expains it then.

[Stu]

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,21:27)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,22:55) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,20:38) God is not the Author of confusion Genesis 11:7-9 1 Corinthians 1:27 Stuart Oh sorry I didnt realize I was quoting Paul That expains it then.

You were quoting 1 Corinthians 14:33. It would seem Paul does not have his story straight.

Stuart

[karmarie]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,23:55)

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,21:27) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,22:55) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,20:38) God is not the Author of confusion Genesis 11:7-9 1 Corinthians 1:27 Stuart Oh sorry I didnt realize I was quoting Paul That expains it then. You were quoting 1 Corinthians 14:33.  It would seem Paul does not have his story straight. Stuart

Oh yeah ok – stop confusing everything- shush now Stu please.

[Stu]

So is god the author of confusion or not?

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,20:38)

Quote Every professed Christian agrees that Jesus lived Jesus Died Jesus was risen from the dead Jesus had disciples Jesus was the Son Jesus is Christ (I corrected that for you above.) Yep, if it stopped right there, it would be easy. God calls us and opens our eyes, suddenly the Bible has real meaning, we cant put it down. But then we make the error We start to search, we read more than just that, we read books, we search the net, , we look for something to join, its all a big puzzle and we really need the truth! We enter the world of Babylon-Confusion God is not the Author of confusion Problems start occuring in our personal life – our thoughts get consumed Weve come so far from where we were and God is left far behind RETURN UNTO ME, and I will RETURN UNTO YOU, saith the LORD of Hosts

Every Christian doesn't have the same belief about Jesus being the Son of God, not even on this site is there a “clear” belief about that.

Some say he is the literal son of God
Some say that God plays the role of “son”
Some say that he became “the Son” before coming to earth
Some say that he became “the son” at birth

There is no across the board agreement on this matter not even on this site.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,20:55)

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,20:38) God is not the Author of confusion Genesis 11:7-9 1 Corinthians 1:27 Stuart

That was a good comparison.

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