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Quote (kerwin @ July 25 2013,09:07) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2013,10:40) Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2013,14:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,06:27) Hi 2Besee, I'm not going to critique uninspired translations, you can
argue with someone else that mans words are God's words.The books of the Apocrypha ARE NOT BIBLICAL CANON (only 66 books are canon).
There are inspired words of God in many places outside of biblical text(=66 books).Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
Ed,So you believe Anglicans are inspired. Then why don't you follow their teachings?
Hi Kerwin,What are you talking about?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,Either the Anglican translators of the AKJV were inspired or the AKJV is not inspired. Only those that are carried along by the holy spirit can make an inspired translation.
Cannon is a a post apostolic device.
Hi Kerwin,The Protestants said that the Catholics teachings were biased
and were not based on God's word. King James I therefor
“Authorized” a translation to be made from the original
manuscripts – to be translated “WORD FOR WORD”.
“Word for word” eliminates any translator bias.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 27 2013,12:41) Quote (kerwin @ July 25 2013,09:07) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2013,10:40) Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2013,14:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,06:27) Hi 2Besee, I'm not going to critique uninspired translations, you can
argue with someone else that mans words are God's words.The books of the Apocrypha ARE NOT BIBLICAL CANON (only 66 books are canon).
There are inspired words of God in many places outside of biblical text(=66 books).Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
Ed,So you believe Anglicans are inspired. Then why don't you follow their teachings?
Hi Kerwin,What are you talking about?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,Either the Anglican translators of the AKJV were inspired or the AKJV is not inspired. Only those that are carried along by the holy spirit can make an inspired translation.
Cannon is a a post apostolic device.
Hi Kerwin,The Protestants said that the Catholics teachings were biased
and were not based on God's word. King James I therefor
“Authorized” a translation to be made from the original
manuscripts – to be translated “WORD FOR WORD”.
“Word for word” eliminates any translator bias.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways,and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven,
and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it
may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall MY WORD be that goeth forth
OUT OF MY MOUTH: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which
I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:8-11)Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2013,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ July 25 2013,09:07) Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2013,10:40) Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2013,14:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,06:27) Hi 2Besee, I'm not going to critique uninspired translations, you can
argue with someone else that mans words are God's words.The books of the Apocrypha ARE NOT BIBLICAL CANON (only 66 books are canon).
There are inspired words of God in many places outside of biblical text(=66 books).Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
Ed,So you believe Anglicans are inspired. Then why don't you follow their teachings?
Hi Kerwin,What are you talking about?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,Either the Anglican translators of the AKJV were inspired or the AKJV is not inspired. Only those that are carried along by the holy spirit can make an inspired translation.
Cannon is a a post apostolic device.
Hi Kerwin,The Protestants said that the Catholics teachings were biased
and were not based on God's word. King James I therefor
“Authorized” a translation to be made from the original
manuscripts – to be translated “WORD FOR WORD”.
“Word for word” eliminates any translator bias.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed. J,A word for word translation still depends on translators choosing the correct definition of a word and that allows bias.
Koine Greek has a number of implied and inferred words that are need to be translated into actual English words.
The translators of the KJV admitted they translated the same Koine Greek word into different English words.
They also at time translated different Koine Greek words to the same English word.
It is notoriously difficult to translate Koine Greek to correctly punctuated English.
It is better than an idea to idea translation by those that believe in false doctrines but it is still subject to mistranslation due to bias and lack of knowledge.
EDJ and Kerwin…….Take the word Camel for instance, Jesus said it is harder for a Camel to pass the the eye of a needle that for a rich man to go into the kingdom mof God. The word there for Camel is in Aramic translated as ROPE, now which would make more sense Rope or Camel? , obvisiouly it would be Rope, anothers words Jesus was saying to them it is harder for a rope to go through the eye of a needle, then a rich man to go into the kingdom of God, So it would be possible but extermely difficult, depends on the size of the needle and the size of the rope, right?
There is a Scholar named Will's i believe, who said he listed over 20, 000 (germatical errors) in the Greek to English translations, So as Kerwin said EdJ, it is extremely difficult especially from the Greek language to translate into English correctly. It takes God Holy Spirit to guide us into the correct and true meaning and sense of the scriptures. IMO
peace and love to you both…………………………………………gene
Gene,
First time I heard that it means rope, I have heard that the “eye of a needle” is a gate which for a camel to go through it had to do so crawling on their knee's (difficult but not impossible), than of course you have the traditional translation of a literal camel and literal eye of a needle (impossible). So how does a guy such as myself who barely learned English supposed to know which is true?Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ July 28 2013,23:14) Gene,
First time I heard that it means rope, I have heard that the “eye of a needle” is a gate which for a camel to go through it had to do so crawling on their knee's (difficult but not impossible), than of course you have the traditional translation of a literal camel and literal eye of a needle (impossible). So how does a guy such as myself who barely learned English supposed to know which is true?Wm
Seekingtruth,What is impossible with man is possible with God.
Whatever the correct interpretation Jesus is teaching about accomplishing a goal by faith.
Seekingtruth………As Kerwin said it is a Mute point, because Faith was the Point Jesus was driving at. Here is another one years ago that gave me some problem, it was where Jesus was talking about the unjust Judge , the king James said “Though” God terry long with them, as if God would put you off when answering a prayer for help. The word “Though” did not fit the contex of the Parable to me. So I thought it was a mistranslation because it goes against the intent of the Parable, So i resureched it and sure enough, found it should have been translated, “WILL” God terry long with them, anothers words, as the unjust Judge did with the poor Women, that keep comming before him for Justice. The whole purpose of the Parable was to Show God was not like that to his elect.
So you see seekingtruth, the Spirit of Truth guides us and if something is not a sound teaching, it will show you. For all true believers are taught by God, Just as Jesus said , know you not you shall all be taught by God. All true believer have the tools need to understand the word of God, another good point to remember is if anything goes against the OLD TESTEMENT, it is highely suspect, becasue even Paul said the Beranes were more noble then those in Thesolinica, because they Search the Screptures to see if what they were hearing was true or not, and remember they only had the Old Testement Scriptures to compare it to. I still use that principle and if what i hear does agree with the Old Testement i question it.
But if we trust in God the Father he will guide us into all truth, remember, put not you trust in the son of Men, for in the day they Die their “THOUGHTS PARISH”. none of us have all the understand of everything yet or perhaps never will, but we do have what really counts, and that is to understand that Jesus Died for our Sins and delivered us from the Judgement of eternal death, unto eternal life. Now to me that is what really counts. It is good that we seek accuracy of scriptures. but not to the point of doubtfull disputations as some do.
Seekingtruth Don't even worry about it, we believe Jesus died for our sins and God as a result has forgiven us, and removed the eternal death penality from us, and shall give us eternal life. As far as being correct in all thing now, i don't believe anyone has reached that goal yet here or anywhere else. Therefor it says, “we are to grown in Grace and Knowledge”. IMO
peace and love to you and yours …………………………………………………..gene
Gene, Kerwin,
I agree, the response I was looking for was that it takes a desire and openness for truth, forsaking preconceived concepts, relying instead on the leading of the Holy Spirit into the truth contained within the whole of scriptures. That is, I believe that mistranslations which can lead to “false doctrines” are exposed if you look for the harmony within all scriptures, letting the Spirit guide us.Wm
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2013,08:19) Seekingtruth………As Kerwin said it is a Mute point, because Faith was the Point Jesus was driving at.
It seems to me that making a big rope go through the eye of a needle would be just as impossible for a man as passing a camel through the eye of a needle.So I believe the point is moot, as both are impossible for man, but not for God. “Camel” and “rope” work equally well – as far as I can see.
Mike………My point was that According to the Arameric translations, the word used there is Rope and that would really relate more to the possibility of an attempt, and fit better to the example Jesus was making and be more logical, a rope can be a very tiny one, so the effort could be made, as the rich man tried to enter but was unable becasue of his lack of Faith, even though he Kept the commandments , his faith was not sufficent to achieve the goal. So Faith being the Key, and while it is impossible to achieve from man himself, all thing are possible with God.
So shall it be with the Ten Vergins , five will be wise and have the faith, and five will be unwise, and have not the faith to enter in , when the moment comes. True believes live with their “bags packed” so to speak. The extra Oil ,the five wise take, is there “Faith” , which carries them into the Wedding. IMO
peace and love………………………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 30 2013,08:58) Mike………My point was that According to the Arameric translations, the word used there is Rope and that would really relate more to the possibility of an attempt, and fit better to the example Jesus was making and be more logical, a rope can be a very tiny one, so the effort could be made……………
Okay, let's say we're talking about a tiny rope which would be “hard” for a man, but not “impossible”.The teaching is hard because Jesus first states it will be “hard” for a rich man to enter heaven – but then later states this is “IMPOSSIBLE” for man.
So which is it? “Hard”? Or “impossible”?
Can anyone shed some light?
Mike…….The word there i believe is “HARDER”, not Hard. another words Jesus was comparing the task while not impossibe, but very diffucult, Agin all this was to show us, it takes God to help accomplish the task.
Jesus did not say it was impossible to happen, but responed, “after” Peter said, then who can inter, (seening the man kept all of Gods comandments ) It bothered Peter that a man who kept Gods commandements was unable to inter the Kingdom of God. So Jesus simple said whats impossible with man is possible with GOD, which is a true statement.
So the rich man still has a chance with God's help. He simply was not yet Called at that time Mike. He just lacked, the faith, AT THAT TIME. “For God gives to every man a measure of Faith” , he just did not have much measure of Faith (at that time), He had a little but it take more then Just a Little faith to enter into the Kingdom of God, it take a lot of Faith. IMO
It will all boil down to this when the Wedding feast takes place and the call goes out to the Virigins, who will respond with complete Faith and who will not, we need to fill our flask now and not wait to the last moment, Are we willing to forsake all and go forward when the call comes. That will not be an easy thing to do, and even half of the virgines will fail. IMO
peace and love to yuo and yours……………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 31 2013,09:20) So the rich man still has a chance with God's help.
Okay. Thanks, Gene and Kerwin. I can get on board with that thought.Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2013,07:30) Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,15:12) 2013,07:35] Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) 1)”The Word” is the wisdom of God;
and 2)wisdom comes from the HolySpirit.
3)The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
4)The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces
5)The Word, which is the wisdom of God(=HolySpirit).answers;
1) no,the written word are the communication with men from God (understand that the wisdom of God can not be understood by men)
2) NO,wisdom his knowledge that God as provided to men for his purpose through the holy spirit of truth ,
3)NO, the planting as been done by God through the spirit of truth (HS) but the he as given some men the understanding so that they can and must spread the seed first to the Jews then the gentiles ,
4)NO, the SEED his the message that gives hope,faith,and life
5) NO; again the written word of God is God communication to men for his purpose ,knowledge ,understanding of that knowledge so it can be used in actions ,all as been written under the guideline of the holy spirit (spirit of truth)
I put number to your quote easier to respond to ,
Hi Pierre,1) Jeremiah 8:9
2) Exodus 35:31
3) Matthew 12:37
4) 1Corinthians 12:13
5) Luke 21:15God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjansw of yours ;
Quote 1)”The Word” is the wisdom of God; 1)Jer 8:9 The wise will be put to shame;
they will be dismayed and trapped.
Since they have rejected the word of the LORD,
what kind of wisdom do they have?Quote 2)wisdom comes from the HolySpirit. 2)Ex 35:31 and he has filled him with the Spirit of God, with skill, ability and knowledge in all kinds of crafts—
I can not see what you try to make that scripture to say;the wisdom talked about is the wisdom of men, the word mention is in fact the written word given to men
3)The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
3)Mt 12:37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
this is way out of any connection to what you say ,IT IS OUR WORDS THAT WE WILL BE JUDGE BY ,
Quote 4)The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces 4)1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
THIS SCRIPTURE AS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD BEING THE SEED ,SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT THE WORD (GOSPEL IS THE SEED )AND THAT IS THE WORD THAT AS BEEN PREACHED ALL OVER THE WORLD
Quote 5)The Word, which is the wisdom of God 5)Lk 21:15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
WHY DOES IT SAY “WORDS and “WISDOM ” ARE NOW IN YOUR INTERPRETATION THOSE TWO WORDS “ONE”
WHY IS IT THAT NO WICKET CAN UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM OF GOD ,BUT YET CAN READ THE WORDQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 01 2013,10:01) WHY IS IT THAT NO WICKET CAN UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM OF GOD ,BUT YET CAN READ THE WORD [/b]
Because they have carnal thinking.Quote (terraricca @ July 31 2013,15:01) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2013,07:30) Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,15:12) 2013,07:35] Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) 1)”The Word” is the wisdom of God;
and 2)wisdom comes from the HolySpirit.
3)The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
4)The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces
5)The Word, which is the wisdom of God(=HolySpirit).answers;
1) no,the written word are the communication with men from God (understand that the wisdom of God can not be understood by men)
2) NO,wisdom his knowledge that God as provided to men for his purpose through the holy spirit of truth ,
3)NO, the planting as been done by God through the spirit of truth (HS) but the he as given some men the understanding so that they can and must spread the seed first to the Jews then the gentiles ,
4)NO, the SEED his the message that gives hope,faith,and life
5) NO; again the written word of God is God communication to men for his purpose ,knowledge ,understanding of that knowledge so it can be used in actions ,all as been written under the guideline of the holy spirit (spirit of truth)
I put number to your quote easier to respond to ,
Hi Pierre,1) Jeremiah 8:9
2) Exodus 35:31
3) Matthew 12:37
4) 1Corinthians 12:13
5) Luke 21:15God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjansw of yours ;
Quote 1)”The Word” is the wisdom of God; 1)Jer 8:9 The wise will be put to shame;
they will be dismayed and trapped.
Since they have rejected the word of the LORD,
what kind of wisdom do they have?Quote 2)wisdom comes from the HolySpirit. 2)Ex 35:31 and he has filled him with the Spirit of God, with skill, ability and knowledge in all kinds of crafts—
I can not see what you try to make that scripture to say;the wisdom talked about is the wisdom of men, the word mention is in fact the written word given to men
3)The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
3)Mt 12:37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
this is way out of any connection to what you say ,IT IS OUR WORDS THAT WE WILL BE JUDGE BY ,
Quote 4)The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces 4)1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
THIS SCRIPTURE AS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD BEING THE SEED ,SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT THE WORD (GOSPEL IS THE SEED )AND THAT IS THE WORD THAT AS BEEN PREACHED ALL OVER THE WORLD
Quote 5)The Word, which is the wisdom of God 5)Lk 21:15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
WHY DOES IT SAY “WORDS and “WISDOM ” ARE NOW IN YOUR INTERPRETATION THOSE TWO WORDS “ONE”
WHY IS IT THAT NO WICKET CAN UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM OF GOD ,BUT YET CAN READ THE WORD
Hi T,1Cor.1:18 For the Word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the Power of God.
19For it is written, “I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE.”
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not [come to] know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Christ the Power of God and the Wisdom of God.
(Word)Peace brother……
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2013,02:59) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 01 2013,10:01) WHY IS IT THAT NO WICKET CAN UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM OF GOD ,BUT YET CAN READ THE WORD [/b]
Because they have carnal thinking.
Yes Edj those that have an carnal spirit do not understand the truth of God,Quote (abe @ Aug. 02 2013,08:12) Quote (terraricca @ July 31 2013,15:01) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2013,07:30) Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2013,15:12) 2013,07:35] Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2013,11:19) 1)”The Word” is the wisdom of God;
and 2)wisdom comes from the HolySpirit.
3)The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
4)The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces
5)The Word, which is the wisdom of God(=HolySpirit).answers;
1) no,the written word are the communication with men from God (understand that the wisdom of God can not be understood by men)
2) NO,wisdom his knowledge that God as provided to men for his purpose through the holy spirit of truth ,
3)NO, the planting as been done by God through the spirit of truth (HS) but the he as given some men the understanding so that they can and must spread the seed first to the Jews then the gentiles ,
4)NO, the SEED his the message that gives hope,faith,and life
5) NO; again the written word of God is God communication to men for his purpose ,knowledge ,understanding of that knowledge so it can be used in actions ,all as been written under the guideline of the holy spirit (spirit of truth)
I put number to your quote easier to respond to ,
Hi Pierre,1) Jeremiah 8:9
2) Exodus 35:31
3) Matthew 12:37
4) 1Corinthians 12:13
5) Luke 21:15God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjansw of yours ;
Quote 1)”The Word” is the wisdom of God; 1)Jer 8:9 The wise will be put to shame;
they will be dismayed and trapped.
Since they have rejected the word of the LORD,
what kind of wisdom do they have?Quote 2)wisdom comes from the HolySpirit. 2)Ex 35:31 and he has filled him with the Spirit of God, with skill, ability and knowledge in all kinds of crafts—
I can not see what you try to make that scripture to say;the wisdom talked about is the wisdom of men, the word mention is in fact the written word given to men
3)The HolySpirit plants the seed(spirit) of God.
3)Mt 12:37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
this is way out of any connection to what you say ,IT IS OUR WORDS THAT WE WILL BE JUDGE BY ,
Quote 4)The Seed is God's HolySpirit, which produces 4)1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
THIS SCRIPTURE AS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD BEING THE SEED ,SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT THE WORD (GOSPEL IS THE SEED )AND THAT IS THE WORD THAT AS BEEN PREACHED ALL OVER THE WORLD
Quote 5)The Word, which is the wisdom of God 5)Lk 21:15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
WHY DOES IT SAY “WORDS and “WISDOM ” ARE NOW IN YOUR INTERPRETATION THOSE TWO WORDS “ONE”
WHY IS IT THAT NO WICKET CAN UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM OF GOD ,BUT YET CAN READ THE WORD
Hi T,1Cor.1:18 For the Word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the Power of God.
19For it is written, “I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE.”
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not [come to] know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Christ the Power of God and the Wisdom of God.
(Word)Peace brother……
AbeWisdom is not Christ ,wisdom is the understanding of deep things either of men or God, both of those wisdoms are written, but one does not understand the other, because one source is out of reach of the other ,
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