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Hi Mike,
You: Carmel, there is no “heavens” in Gen 1:1
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts:
nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9For as the HEAVENS (PLURAL! WHAT ARE THESE HEAVENS? WERE THEY CREATED, MADE, AND FORMED … IN THE SIX DAY CREATION?) are exalted above THE EARTH, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts.
Me: Mike, Hereunder are a few various versions:
KJV. Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
NIV. Genesis 1:11In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
DRB. Genesis 1:1 1In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.
Now hereunder is ONE scripture out of many in relation to
HEAVEN/S
2Corinthians 12: 2I know a man in Christ above fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not, or out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up to the third heaven.
Back to
Job 38: 4Where wast thou when I LAID up the foundations of the earth ?
tell me if thou hast understanding.
Mr. Mike
WAS THE ABOVE TASK PART OF THE SIX-DAY CREATION?
TELL ME IN GOD’S OWN TERMS PLEASE, WHAT ARE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH
SIMPLY, AS HIS WAYS ARE DIFFERENT FROM OUR WAYS! Isaiah 55:8
38:5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest?
or who hath stretched the line upon it? (HOW ABOUT THIS ONE, TELL ME; WHO ARE THESE BEINGS Mr. Mike, was not God ALL BY HIMSELF?)
6Upon what are its bases grounded? (MAYBE YOU KNOW THIS ONE TELL ME, WHEN DID GOD CREATE, MADE, FORMED ITS GROUND)
or WHO laid the CORNERSTONE thereof,( IT SEEMS TO ME THERE ARE QUITE A FEW WITH GOD WHEN HE CREATED, MADE,FORMED THE EARTH, THIS ONE LAID THE CORNERSTONE, BY THE WAY WHO/WHAT IS THE CORNERSTONE!)
Mike, GOD IN THE ABOVE IS MORE A BUILDING CONTRACTOR THEN
A CREATOR EX-NIHILO!
7When the morning stars praised me together, and all the sons of God made a joyful melody?
THAT’S RIGHT Mike,
GOD WAS NOT ALL BY HIMSELF WHEN HE CREATED THE EARTH, HOLD IT!
THE EARTH OF GENESIS 1:1 BY THE LOOK OF IT, DON’T YOU?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
PROCLAIMER, IF YOU CREATED A VIRTUAL WORLD, WOULD YOU TELL YOUR VIRTUAL PEOPLE THAT YOU DID SOMETHING IN SIX DAYS AND RESTED ON THE SEVENTH – AND EVEN UNDENIABLY EQUATE THOSE DAYS WITH SIX OF THEIR DAYS BY TELLING THEM TO ALSO WORK SIX DAYS AND REST ON THE SEVENTH – WHEN IN REALITY IT TOOK YOU MANY BILLIONS OF THEIR YEARS TO DO THAT THING YOU SAID YOU DID IN SIX DAYS?
Why not. Time is of no limit for God so it doesn’t make an ounce of difference.
I would let the age of dinosaurs go for a bit, maybe a million years or so. Then once I placed my most prized asset, I would change things around to accommodate them. Wouldn’t want them getting trampled on too much. So a change in the size of beasts would be in order.
And I wouldn’t be concerned about teaching my prized asset how I measure time and reveal to them how many sun cycles that would represent. Because I would not be subject to the timeline inside the virtual world at all. And there is plenty of time for that in Heaven where we will learn all that and have all our questions answered. Suffice to say, I would simply tell them of the stages and the rest I took and then get them to observe that on their scale if that was important to me.
PROCLAIMER, SINCE A CURRENT EARTH DAY IN RELATION TO THE SUN LASTS 24 HOURS, IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURAL REASON TO THINK THAT ONCE THE SUN WAS CREATED (OR ALLOWED TO SHINE THROUGH) – IN ORDER TO GOVERN THE DAYS ON EARTH, AND TO SPECIFICALLY SERVE AS A SIGN TO MARK EARTH DAYS – THAT ANY OF THE DAYS FOLLOWING THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUN WOULD BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE SAME 24 HOUR DAYS THAT WE EXPERIENCE NOW?
Already mentioned that the Day of Wrath seems to be longer than 24 hours. So I think you need to adjust your conclusions and admit that the Bible is full of parables, symbols, figures of speech, signs, and prophecy that is written in code. After all, when you communicate with a certain audience, you need to speak in a way that they will understand or at least get an idea of what you are saying. Especially considering that God is eternal and resides outside of creation too. I think you expect God to be a man with the limitations you’re trying to impose.
Cheers Miia.
My son was in contact with two groups where some had the rona recently. He got quite ill days after and lived isolated for a few days. BTW, he never gets ill and is super healthy and fit. First test was a PCR and was negative. But that can happen sometimes, especially if the test is done early. Got a RAT test today and negative again. So wasn’t even the rona after all that. Would have been good if it was as he suffered and got through it. However, we did pray for him and so did many others. Makes me wonder.Proclaimer, yes I wonder too. My neighbor had all the symptoms for severe covid (breathless, extreme tiredness (could not even walk to her kitchen), heart problems etc… and even though she was in a place of interest she tested negative for covid. She’s only just recovered and back to normal. In the ten years I’ve had her as a neighbor, she has never been so desperate as to text and ask me to carry her 2 liter milk from her car.
It sure did! We’ve been discussing the fact that the Bible and Scientism are in direct and blatant contradiction to each other – and deciding which of them we should trust as the truth.
I’m glad to see that you believe the Bible about the age of the earth.
Good. Sure do Mike !
Btw miia, this is partly why we shifted gears in this thread and started talking about Biblical earth vs Scientism earth. It’s because all of the “conspiracy theories” we were laying on them in the beginning were being revealed as the truth of the matter, and even the doubters were acknowledging that we were right all along. So since everyone was on the same page… what more was there to say?
The second reason is because there is another Covid 19 thread where people were discussing the same stuff.
And the final reason is because Proclaimer kept equating the “conspiracy theories” we were sharing here about Covid to the “conspiracy theories” I have shared about the Biblical earth. And so finally I said, “Okay… then let’s go ahead and DISCUSS what the Bible says about the earth versus what Scientism says about it.”
And so here we are – giving Proclaimer a lesson on even more “conspiracy theories” that are actually true.
Yep it’s been a journey! I have been mostly on Facebook despite having three 90 day shadow bans slapped on me. Recently it’s switched to the Canadian convoy and New Zealand parliament building camp of protestors against V mandates. People are fighting back!
But of course now covid is exiting and the threat of world war has taken over.
Miia. ……Good to here from you again, hope everything is going well for you, Missed you.
Peace and love to you and yours Miia………….gene
Hi Gene! Hope you and yours are well too.
I see Trinity is still being discussed so I’ll just leave this here (copied from a FB friend).
Breaking the Trinity Confusion
Just as both my son and I are human, Jesus and His Father are God. Humans are mortal while God is eternal and angels immortal. Mortal means to have a beginning and end, Immortal means to have a beginning and no end and Eternal means to have no beginning and no end.Miia, that is the hope of us all someday we will also have eternal life, but I very much doubt we will ever be a God. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER what Jesus said , ” I was “dead” and “NOW”, am alive for evermore. He never said he was alive in heaven , then morphed into a human body lived again and the died again and “NOW” is alive forever more did he?
I see thing different Then most , I believe Jesus was and still is a human being, always was and always will be “exactly as we are”, I believe that we are heirs and joint heirs with him, I believe he is just the first of many brothers and sisters , to inherite eternal life and power and glory and honour and all thing God has created are under both his feet and our feet , read Heb 2:6-14….
Peace and love to you and yours Miia……….gene
Hi Gene,
You: REMEMBER what Jesus said , ” I was “dead” and “NOW”, am alive for evermore.
You:
Me: The old song again, you simply produce your own corrupted version, and are never ready to produce
THE TRUTH!
READ ALL THAT JESUS CHRIST SAID:
Rev.1:17And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying:
Fear not. I am the First and the Last,
Gene the above is as clear as crystal!
JESUS IS THE FIRST, THE BEGINNING, THE LAST, AND THE END OF ALL GOD’S WORK
PRE-EXISTED
18And alive, and was dead, and behold I am living forever and ever, and
have the keys of death and of hell.
You: He never said he was alive in heaven , then morphed into a human body lived again and the died again and “NOW” is alive forever more did he?
READ IT AGAIN:
Fear not.
I am the First, THE BEGINNING John1:1 Definitely, alive IN HEAVEN. NO?
and the Last, THE END,
Definitely, died and ended the O.T.NO?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Proclaimer: Give them 2 options despite there being more and putting the bible against science and observation when you only have to do that if you are a literalist.
More than two options? Scientism either agrees with the Bible or it doesn’t… only two options. Since it clearly doesn’t, either Scientism is right or the Bible is… again, only two options. Instead of comparing me to a dodgy politician or cult leader and claiming there are more options, how about you list what other options there are? Thanks.
Proclaimer: So Jesus is coming back with a sword in his mouth and science disagrees.
Disagrees with what? There is no science that disagrees with scripture – but Scientism certainly does. And whether or not Jesus will do battle with a literal sword in his mouth is irrelevant to the discussion for two reasons: First, you couldn’t possibly know whether the sword is literal or not. Secondly, the Bible contains many instances of metaphoric language – but we are discussing Genesis 1, and there is no indication that there is anything metaphoric about it. If you disagree, list the metaphors, what they are metaphorically alluding to, and how you came to that conclusion using only the scriptures. Thanks.
Proclaimer: Sergio Aguero got the rona. He was your first example I think. I couldn’t find his vaccination status anywhere.
You don’t know ANYONE who got Covid 19. You likely know a lot of people who have gotten a cold or a flu in the past couple of years. And maybe you even know some people for whom that flu developed into pneumonia – like the seasonal flu does for millions of elderly and at risk people every single year. A positive PCR test is meaningless. So is a negative PCR test. Had the PCR test for your son been one of the billions of false positives, you’d be telling miia about your son’s “dangerous and life-threatening” bout with Killer Covid… instead of telling her that your son caught a bad cold/flu like billions do each year.
So what is YOUR personal proof that Sergio truly and undeniably had Covid 19? You have none. On the other hand, there are millions of cases of people having all kinds of adverse reactions to the jabs… especially myocarditis and other heart problems in young, physically healthy men. And there have been VASTLY more physically fit athletes in their prime keeling over on the pitch this year than in the history of football.
Now, I’m truly sorry that you were one of the scared sheep who fell for the psyop and got jabbed. I truly hope you got the placebo instead of the poison. But for you to bend over backwards trying anything at all to dispel what is clearly, obviously, and UNDENIABLY terrible reactions to this poison is beyond the pale.
Dude, I posted a story that says (all of a sudden after all these decades), REFEREE WHISTLES are causing heart attacks. Now do yo believe that utter nonsense? Are you still really THAT gullible after what you’ve witnessed with your own eyes these past two years? If not, then comment on the WHISTLE story that I posted. Tell us why you believe it, or why you don’t. There was nothing in what I posted that said a damn thing about Covid or jabs.
Please, for the love of God, STOP doing this crap. Try responding with a rational argument that actually has something to do with what the other person has posted. You’re all over the place lately. I guess I should feel fortunate that at least you didn’t bring up metaphors in the Bible to address my post about REFEREE WHISTLES causing heart attacks.
Try to do better. Thanks.
LU: You said this to PC: LU: I think John 1:1 teaches a Binary Godhead.
Where did I say that?
Did I word your belief incorrectly? If so, please correct me. As far as I know from your own words, you believe that YHWH is a combination of “YHWH the Father” and “YHWH the Son”… two members of the same Godhead.
You’ve told me that our Creator is the combo of those two, and that we are to pray to and worship the combo of those two.
Have I gotten that wrong? If so, I apologize and await your correction.
Carmel: THAT’S RIGHT Mike,
GOD WAS NOT ALL BY HIMSELF WHEN HE CREATED THE EARTH
Correct. I’m glad you have come around on that fact. You originally claimed that God was all by Himself in darkness – and I corrected you with Job 38:7… remember? Then we went on a wild goose chase about how many morning stars there are, and whether or not they’ve ever been together – or apart… remember?
Anyway, you are now correct that God was not alone when He created the heaven and the earth. Cheers.
Mike: PROCLAIMER, IF YOU CREATED A VIRTUAL WORLD, WOULD YOU TELL YOUR VIRTUAL PEOPLE THAT YOU DID SOMETHING IN SIX DAYS AND RESTED ON THE SEVENTH – AND EVEN UNDENIABLY EQUATE THOSE DAYS WITH SIX OF THEIR DAYS BY TELLING THEM TO ALSO WORK SIX DAYS AND REST ON THE SEVENTH – WHEN IN REALITY IT TOOK YOU MANY BILLIONS OF THEIR YEARS TO DO THAT THING YOU SAID YOU DID IN SIX DAYS?
Proclaimer: Why not… I wouldn’t be concerned about teaching my prized asset how I measure time and reveal to them how many sun cycles that would represent.
Wow! Just wow. I can usually anticipate your future responses – but this one caught me off guard. So you’re saying that you – as Creator of a “prized asset” of sentient beings – would not only lie to them, but even do it in a heinously deceptive manner by intentionally telling them that they should work for six days and rest on the seventh because YOU also worked for six days and rested on the seventh?
Mind blown, but also noted that you would be willing to intentionally lie in the most deceptive manner to people you call your “prized asset”. I guess that doesn’t leave much hope that you wouldn’t also lie to the likes of me then, huh?
Proclaimer, if we were to ask Yahweh if HE was willing to lie to His creation in such a deceptive manner, do you suppose that He would also answer, “Why not?” like you did?
Proclaimer: Time is of no limit for God so it doesn’t make an ounce of difference.
Proclaimer, I notice you say “time” and not “days”. Are you implying that God doesn’t experience “days”?
Mike: PROCLAIMER, SINCE A CURRENT EARTH DAY IN RELATION TO THE SUN LASTS 24 HOURS, IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURAL REASON TO THINK THAT ONCE THE SUN WAS CREATED (OR ALLOWED TO SHINE THROUGH) – IN ORDER TO GOVERN THE DAYS ON EARTH, AND TO SPECIFICALLY SERVE AS A SIGN TO MARK EARTH DAYS – THAT ANY OF THE DAYS FOLLOWING THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUN WOULD BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE SAME 24 HOUR DAYS THAT WE EXPERIENCE NOW?
Proclaimer: Already mentioned that the Day of Wrath seems to be longer than 24 hours.
What the Day of the Lord “seems” to be to you – and how long it will actually be – is irrelevant to the question I asked you. Even if the Day of the Lord lasts for an entire year, if it occurs on our current earth with the presence of our current sun, then the Day of the Lord will go through 365 mornings and 365 evenings, ie: 365 sun/earth 24 hour days.
Proclaimer, on earth, the passing of the sun from morning to next morning marks a 24-hour day. Is there any valid reason to think that the passing of the same sun in relation to the same earth DIDN’T mark a 24-hour day during the creation week?
That is the question. Please answer it directly.
Proclaimer: After all, when you communicate with a certain audience, you need to speak in a way that they will understand…
Very true. We’ll come back to that brilliant point.
What the Day of the Lord “seems” to be to you – and how long it will actually be is irrelevant to the question I asked you. On earth, the passing of the sun from morning to next morning marks a 24-hour day. Is there any reason to think that the same sun passing the same earth DIDN’T mark a 24-hour day during the creation week?
If you are asking if solar days could have been different in the past, but particularly during the creation week, then I think it is possible. I have noticed that things are fluid in the universe.
PROCLAIMER, I NOTICE YOU SAY “TIME” AND NOT “DAYS”. ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT GOD DOESN’T EXPERIENCE “DAYS”?
Mike, do not forget this one thing: with the Lord, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
James Webb Telescope
Glory to God for his wonderful creation. And hats off to the scientists who made it possible to see the eternal works of the Almighty.
While we wait for images of the early universe, here is a look at what a much lesser telescope (Hubble) took. Look at all those galaxies. Maybe these are the heavens. And look at the centre of the spirals. Looks like the tunnel that people see when experiencing an NDE. Imagine if the centre of each galaxy was a portal to Heaven itself. So many possibilities. An eternity to learn about God and his creation. But only if you inherit eternal life.
I see Trinity is still being discussed so I’ll just leave this here (copied from a FB friend).
Breaking the Trinity Confusion
Just as both my son and I are human, Jesus and His Father are God. Humans are mortal while God is eternal and angels immortal. Mortal means to have a beginning and end, Immortal means to have a beginning and no end and Eternal means to have no beginning and no end.Flat Earth, Trinity, Vaccines don’t work. All possible when you don’t think deeply about them. Already made up one’s mind, then quote anything that agrees. That’s how it works for many people it seems.
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