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July 21, 2012 at 10:37 pm#306585

Stu

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You judge from human standards giving no thought to the impact that disobedience of the law brings to society. You believe that God hates those who are killed, but I believe it can best be understood as a cancer, infection, or injury where one has to choose between removal of a valued portion of their body to save the whole. This was not something God desired any more than the one who chooses amputation or removal of organ(s), it is for the greater good.

I guess god just messed up creation, allowing to happen things it didn't want to happen.

I suppose your answer is that this nasty god gives people “The Freedom” to have a loving relationship with it…but if they don't then they are condemned.

Why would anyone worship THAT??

Stuart

“Allowing things to happen” show clearly where error is or is not. You cannot have a potential in/of something if the boundaries are to narrow. If you make a couch to only function as a couch it will have much less potential negative and positive than a couch with a pullout bed.

the point is defective things can be destroyed while at the same time the most effective and promising things can be preserved and maintained.

So all the couches that decide they want to be comfortable beds get burned in the furnace.

And you worship the immoral inventor of that too?

Stuart

July 21, 2012 at 10:39 pm#306586

Stu

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There is war an hatred because Man had no bussness stating gods bussness before knowledge arrives! What was once said is enough evidence for today's judgement, If Jesus is your lord! He knew what you know today!

But isn't it the case Mary that everyone claims absolute knowledge of god(s)?

Your claims of knowledge might be wrong, might they not?

Stuart

July 21, 2012 at 11:15 pm#306595

Charity

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But isn't it the case Mary that everyone claims absolute knowledge of god(s)?

Your claims of knowledge might be wrong, might they not?

Stuart

I'm telling you now, wisdom has already announced that time will find follishness in me.

July 22, 2012 at 1:25 am#306609

Ed J

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Go – and sin no more

Are you the second coming Ed?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

What do you mean?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 22, 2012 at 1:29 am#306611

Ed J

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Hi Mary,

And welcome!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 22, 2012 at 9:22 am#306625

seekingtruth

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Quote (Stu @ July 21 2012,05:18)

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I guess god just messed up creation, allowing to happen things it didn't want to happen.

Okay… and if He hadn't allowed it after giving man dominion, you would of been fine with that

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I suppose your answer is that this nasty god gives people “The Freedom” to have a loving relationship with it…but if they don't then they are condemned.

Yes we were free to choose, however we are also free to choose to not love Him but then our life will be judged on its own merit.

The purpose of the Resurrection is to “balance the books” so that those judged on their own merit receive an appropriate response; those judged by a life defined by love, entrance into the Kingdom of heaven, those who lacked love, punishment for what they did in this life and then they perish from existence.

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Why would anyone worship THAT??

Stuart

Why would anyone NOT worship Him?? He is fair to all despite what religious traditions teaches, the “punishment fits the crime”.

My opinion – Wm

July 22, 2012 at 11:15 am#306627

Stu

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Quote (seekingtruth @ July 22 2012,20:22)

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2012,05:18)

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I guess god just messed up creation, allowing to happen things it didn't want to happen.

Okay… and if He hadn't allowed it after giving man dominion, you would of been fine with that

What do you mean by dominion? Come to think of it, what do you mean by “god”?

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Yes we were free to choose, however we are also free to choose to not love Him but then our life will be judged on its own merit.

OK, so tell me whose life would be judged to have merit that rejected this “love” option. Then tell me it is any kind of choice at all. It isn’t of course, it is the “choice” given by the tyrant. Love the dictator or die. Even if you do choose love, it is love under the shadow of compulsory fear, so it is cannot be said to be freely given. This nasty religion is a mockery of the human condition. It deserves the highest contempt.

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Just as well that is all a big fantasy story for the gullible. The universe just isn’t like that, and that is what makes it beautiful.
A universe with your god in it would be unspeakably ugly.

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Why would anyone NOT worship Him?? He is fair to all despite what religious traditions teaches, the “punishment fits the crime”.

Do you worship High Court judges too? If not, why not?

Stuart

July 22, 2012 at 11:43 am#306628

Ed J

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Hi Stuart,

Your view of God through religious eyes,
you should instead view YHVH through Science.

Science has surmised that the universe will cool and end in a cold death.
But you have to ask yourself – where did all that energy come from in the first place?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 22, 2012 at 12:07 pm#306629

seekingtruth

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Stu,
Your “rants” are put forth in a manner to draw an emotional response from those you're attacking, whats the matter can't you win with a discussion around the vailidity of the topic?

July 22, 2012 at 12:34 pm#306630

Stu

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Quote (seekingtruth @ July 22 2012,23:07)

Stu,
Your “rants” are put forth in a manner to draw an emotional response from those you're attacking, whats the matter can't you win with a discussion around the vailidity of the topic?

Tell me whose life would be thought of as meritorious in this system you describe if that person rejected this “loving god” arrangement (you did describe it as a possibility, but you didn't answer my question – instead you bizarrely claim I am ranting – it is not me who is ranting).

Secondly, since your reason for worshipping your Imaginary Friend seems to be the justice you allege it dispenses (not sure where that leaves Uzzah, who was murdered by god when he was only trying to help), I wonder if you worship anything or anyone that dispenses justice. You didn't answer that either.

If you think I'm attempting to elicit an emotional response, what do you think you are doing?

Do you have any answers to my questions? They are couched in pretty much the same terms as your statements.

Stuart

July 22, 2012 at 12:36 pm#306631

Stu

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Quote (Ed J @ July 22 2012,22:43)

Hi Stuart,

Your view of God through religious eyes,
you should instead view YHVH through Science.

Science has surmised that the universe will cool and end in a cold death.
But you have to ask yourself – where did all that energy come from in the first place?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I am viewing your god in scientific terms: there is no unambiguous evidence for any gods, so it is reasonable to conclude provisionally that none exists.

As for where the energy came from, it is borrowed gravitational energy from the expansion of the universe.

Your move, Ed.

Stuart

July 22, 2012 at 12:55 pm#306632

Ed J

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Hi Stuart,

The energy to create the universe
was borrowed from the universe expanding? …is this your no God premise?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 23, 2012 at 7:11 am#306689

Stu

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