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I have noticed here on this forum you can have several Christians who will allow all types of things they disagree with to pretend to have unity so when you debate with them you find that most ofthe Christians will remain silent on many erroneous foolish ideas. The funny thing is if you did accept their standard of Christianity all of a sudden all the other absent Christians would appear to “put you on the right path” it's as if the crazies are allowed to at least stir your interest and afterwards those who think “they know the truth” will then come to help in other words those who think they know the truth are really lazy and those who are on the fringe have much stronger belief
I think that Christians disagree on so many things that there are few agreements around which they can rally.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 16 2012,21:15) I think that Christians disagree on so many things that there are few agreements around which they can rally. Tim
Christians are often more atheistic than the atheist they condemn because they don't really believe in God, they believe in Jesus to the exclusion of God. If you look at all my post you can clearly see I am fighting for the Love of God and they are rejecting for the Love of a Man and they believe that you cannot even Love God without treating this man like God. IT IS SICK.Especially whnen that Man Jesus told them to WORSHIP GOD in SPIRIT and TRUTH. They don't they worship God in the personification of Jesus
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 16 2012,19:38) I have noticed here on this forum you can have several Christians who will allow all types of things they disagree with to pretend to have unity so when you debate with them you find that most ofthe Christians will remain silent on many erroneous foolish ideas. The funny thing is if you did accept their standard of Christianity all of a sudden all the other absent Christians would appear to “put you on the right path” it's as if the crazies are allowed to at least stir your interest and afterwards those who think “they know the truth” will then come to help in other words those who think they know the truth are really lazy and those who are on the fringe have much stronger belief
bod
this is the view of a non christian ,Muslims ,division
?we are judge by God for our own doings
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2012,22:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 16 2012,19:38) I have noticed here on this forum you can have several Christians who will allow all types of things they disagree with to pretend to have unity so when you debate with them you find that most ofthe Christians will remain silent on many erroneous foolish ideas. The funny thing is if you did accept their standard of Christianity all of a sudden all the other absent Christians would appear to “put you on the right path” it's as if the crazies are allowed to at least stir your interest and afterwards those who think “they know the truth” will then come to help in other words those who think they know the truth are really lazy and those who are on the fringe have much stronger belief
bod this is the view of a non christian ,Muslims ,division
?we are judge by God for our own doings
Pierre
Pierre,Should I believe what ED says I should and study the numbers and what they equal? ED says Jesus = 74 should I find out why that is important?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,12:56) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2012,22:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 16 2012,19:38) I have noticed here on this forum you can have several Christians who will allow all types of things they disagree with to pretend to have unity so when you debate with them you find that most ofthe Christians will remain silent on many erroneous foolish ideas. The funny thing is if you did accept their standard of Christianity all of a sudden all the other absent Christians would appear to “put you on the right path” it's as if the crazies are allowed to at least stir your interest and afterwards those who think “they know the truth” will then come to help in other words those who think they know the truth are really lazy and those who are on the fringe have much stronger belief
bod this is the view of a non christian ,Muslims ,division
?we are judge by God for our own doings
Pierre
Pierre,Should I believe what ED says I should and study the numbers and what they equal? ED says Jesus = 74 should I find out why that is important?
bodQuote Pierre, Should I believe what ED says I should and study the numbers and what they equal? ED says Jesus = 74 should I find out why that is important?
what a question to me ,Bod you believe what ever you want ,after all you are a Muslim and so only believe what is good for a Muslim ,right
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,12:56) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2012,22:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 16 2012,19:38) I have noticed here on this forum you can have several Christians who will allow all types of things they disagree with to pretend to have unity so when you debate with them you find that most ofthe Christians will remain silent on many erroneous foolish ideas. The funny thing is if you did accept their standard of Christianity all of a sudden all the other absent Christians would appear to “put you on the right path” it's as if the crazies are allowed to at least stir your interest and afterwards those who think “they know the truth” will then come to help in other words those who think they know the truth are really lazy and those who are on the fringe have much stronger belief
bod this is the view of a non christian ,Muslims ,division
?we are judge by God for our own doings
Pierre
Pierre,Should I believe what ED says I should and study the numbers and what they equal? ED says Jesus = 74 should I find out why that is important?
bodQuote Pierre, Should I believe what ED says I should and study the numbers and what they equal? ED says Jesus = 74 should I find out why that is important?
what a question to me ,Bod you believe what ever you want ,after all you are a Muslim and so only believe what is good for a Muslim ,right
Pierre
Well, I am trying to see what all you guys really believe I should do after all you are all Christians so as a Christian should you study the numbers that ED presents?bod
Quote Well, I am trying to see what all you guys really believe I should do after all you are all Christians so as a Christian should you study the numbers that ED presents? edj, as you know very well is the number man but their are no numbers in scriptures , except for a very few,
I have posted many time to edj ,that his numbers are wind,air,
Pierre
If you knew scripture Bod, you would know that it says that no all who say lord lord shall enter the kingdom of God.
It is carnal thinking to bundle people under labels like Christian. That word was given by the world to describe those that followed Christ.
But the reality is that the Kingdom of God is not of this world. Only those who are spiritual can see the real church and who real believers are.
All the names and denominations is more about politics than truth.
The Roman Empire started the first one, and breakaways exist to this day.
Who cares about all that. You can condemn that, so can I.
What does it prove? That the bible is wrong?
It only proves how feeble man is.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 21 2012,04:12) If you knew scripture Bod, you would know that it says that no all who say lord lord shall enter the kingdom of God. It is carnal thinking to bundle people under labels like Christian. That word was given by the world to describe those that followed Christ.
But the reality is that the Kingdom of God is not of this world. Only those who are spiritual can see the real church and who real believers are.
All the names and denominations is more about politics than truth.
The Roman Empire started the first one, and breakaways exist to this day.
Who cares about all that. You can condemn that, so can I.
What does it prove? That the bible is wrong?
It only proves how feeble man is.
t8you forgot to mention that even Muhammad took out of the scriptures what suited him for his purpose ,and so are not better than the Roman Catholic church,with there sisters ,
they(Tim and bod) sound like two liars taking about a other liar and his lies,ho well is it confusing ?
Pierre
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 20 2012,21:12) If you knew scripture Bod, you would know that it says that no all who say lord lord shall enter the kingdom of God. It is carnal thinking to bundle people under labels like Christian. That word was given by the world to describe those that followed Christ.
But the reality is that the Kingdom of God is not of this world. Only those who are spiritual can see the real church and who real believers are.
All the names and denominations is more about politics than truth.
The Roman Empire started the first one, and breakaways exist to this day.
Who cares about all that. You can condemn that, so can I.
What does it prove? That the bible is wrong?
It only proves how feeble man is.
So is ED a true Christian since you said that you can see who is a “real believer”Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,02:48) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 21 2012,04:12) If you knew scripture Bod, you would know that it says that no all who say lord lord shall enter the kingdom of God. It is carnal thinking to bundle people under labels like Christian. That word was given by the world to describe those that followed Christ.
But the reality is that the Kingdom of God is not of this world. Only those who are spiritual can see the real church and who real believers are.
All the names and denominations is more about politics than truth.
The Roman Empire started the first one, and breakaways exist to this day.
Who cares about all that. You can condemn that, so can I.
What does it prove? That the bible is wrong?
It only proves how feeble man is.
t8you forgot to mention that even Muhammad took out of the scriptures what suited him for his purpose ,and so are not better than the Roman Catholic church,with there sisters ,
they(Tim and bod) sound like two liars taking about a other liar and his lies,ho well is it confusing ?
Pierre
How could Muhammad read scriptures that were not in Arabic?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 21 2012,13:36) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,02:48) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 21 2012,04:12) If you knew scripture Bod, you would know that it says that no all who say lord lord shall enter the kingdom of God. It is carnal thinking to bundle people under labels like Christian. That word was given by the world to describe those that followed Christ.
But the reality is that the Kingdom of God is not of this world. Only those who are spiritual can see the real church and who real believers are.
All the names and denominations is more about politics than truth.
The Roman Empire started the first one, and breakaways exist to this day.
Who cares about all that. You can condemn that, so can I.
What does it prove? That the bible is wrong?
It only proves how feeble man is.
t8you forgot to mention that even Muhammad took out of the scriptures what suited him for his purpose ,and so are not better than the Roman Catholic church,with there sisters ,
they(Tim and bod) sound like two liars taking about a other liar and his lies,ho well is it confusing ?
Pierre
How could Muhammad read scriptures that were not in Arabic?
bodin 630 AD the scriptures were translated in many languages,and it says Muhammad traveled,all over,and so it was accessible to him ,he may have spoken Latin,or Greek,and many were also translated in Arabic
Pierre
bod
Relations with the tribes of Central Arabia
famous Hariths who illustrated the fortunes of the dynasty. His wife Maria Dzat al Curtain, ” Mary of the ear-rings,” belonged to the Yemen tribe of Kinda; and the sister of Mary was married to the chief of the same tribe, Hojr Akil at Morar. It is not certain how this alliance was contracted; for we find Harith at war with the Bani Kinda, whose chief Amr al Macsur son of Hojr, he killed in battle. Harith at last perished in an encounter with Mundzir III., of Hira. Strange stories are related of the earringsThe famous earrings of his wife Maria
of his wife, which are proverbial as significant of inestimable value 10. According to some, she presented them either before or upon her adoption of Christianity to the temple at Mecca: according to others, they remained in possession of her descendants, and were worn by Jabala VI, when in 637 A.D., he visited Mecca to do homage to Omar.Two Arab chiefs mentioned by Roman historians: – Abu Carib, and Cays
The Roman historians notice, abont this time, two phylarchs who must have been distinct from the Bani Ghassan. One called Abo-Charib, (Aba Karib) received the chieftainship of the Arabs of Palestine, in exchange for “a country washed by the Red Sea.” 11 He assisted the Romans against the rebel Samaritans, and received in return 20,000 prisoners, whom he sold into Persia and Abyssinia. The other, Cays a prince of the Kinda, is also mentioned as having received an Arab principality from Justinian, about the year 536 12.Harith V. 530-572 A.D.
HARITH V., surnamed the Lame, is styled with satisfactory accuracy by Procopius, “Arethas, son of Gabala,” i.e. of Jabala III. He is celebrated for the honors showered upon him by Justinian who, in consideration of his doubtful aid against the Persians, conferred upon him the title of King 13, and the rank of Patrician.Treacherous assistance rendered to the Romans
In 531 A.D. he contributed to the defeat of Belisarius, by his “treacherous or cowardly desertion” at the battle of Callinicus 14. Ten years later, he assisted Belisarius in an inroad upon Mesopotamia, and by creating a diversion foiled the ambitious plans of Chosroes: but again he acted treacherously, and secured for himself the solo booty of a rich tract of country, while by false advices he beguiled the Romans, who long waited under a pestilential sun in the vain expectation of his return 15. The Arab historians are silent upon these exploits, but they relate an expedition against the Jews of Tayma and Khaibar.His visit to Constantinople 562 A.D.
The wars of Harith V., with Hira have already been related, under the reigns of Mundzir III. and Amr III 16. Harith visited Constantinople A.D. 562, to complain of the hostilities of Amr after the conclusion of peace, and to procure the recognition of his son Harith as his successor. It was towards the end of the reign of Harith the Lame that Mahomet was born.Harith the Less, 572-587 A.D.
Of HARITH THE LESS little is related, but that he obtained a victory oter Mundzir III., at Ayn Obugh; and indeed the kingdom of the Ghassanides does not henceforth occupy any distinguished place in the pages of history.Amr IV., Abu Shammir, 587-597 ; his patronage of Arab poets
The successor of this prince, Amr IV., surnamed ABU SHAMMIR, has been rendered illustrious by his patronage of the poets of Arabia. It was in his reign that Hassan ibn Thabit, the famous poet of Islam and friend of Mahomet, first appeared at the Ghassanide court, where he met his fellow poets Nabigha and Aleama, and began to enjoy the favor of a dynasty several of whom distinguished him by peculiar honors.Harith VII. 600-630 A.D.
From 600 to 630 A.D., the chief ruler of the Ghassanides was HARITH VII., son of Abu Shammir, whose residence appears to have been sometimes at Jabia, sometimes at Amman (Philadelphia), the capital of Balcua 17. In 629 A.D., Mahomet addressed to him a summons to embrace the cause of Islam, which he contemptuously refused, and shortly after died 18. Contemporaneously with Harith, and probably subordinate to him,The inferior governments of Ayham and Shurahbil
there reigned at Palmyra AYHAM son of Jabala; and there also existed other inferior governments, such as that of SHURAHBIL son of Jabala IV. at Maab and Muta, in Arabia Petrea 19.Wane of the Ghassanide kingdom prepares the way for Islam
Meanwhile the glory of the Ghassanide rule was departing. The inroads of the Persians, in the reign of Phocas and in the early years of Heraclius, bad given a shock from which it never recovered. It is remarked, even by a Mahometan writer, that the decadence of the race of Ghassan was preparing the way for the glories of the Arabian Prophet 20.Jabala VI. 630-637 A.D.
The last king of the race was JABALA VI., son of Ayham. Hassan the poet always spoke of this prince with a grateful affection; and although, on embracing Islam, he discontinued his visits to the Ghassanide court, he was stilt honoured by Jabala with special marks of friendship. During Abu Bakr's Caliphate, this prince took an active, but always unfortunate, part in opposing the inroads of the Moslem armies, and he shared in theGoes over to Islam, but subsequently recants
humiliation of the mournful day of Yarmuk. When Heraclius abandoned Syria, he joined Omar and professed to believe in Mahomet; but his faith in the new Prophet was neither deep nor lasting. On a fancied insult he recanted, and retired to Constantinople, where his name and his family long survived 21.The special influence exercised by Hira and the Ghassanide kingdom upon Central Arabia
The Arab race, secluded from the rest of the word by pathless deserts, a peninsular position, and the peculiarities of nomad life, has in all ages maintained an extraordinary freedom from the contamination either of foreign blood or foreign manners, and a singular independence both of mind and institutions. Egypt, Syria, Persia, and the Abyssinian kingdom of Axum, bordered closely upon Arabia, or were separated from it only by narrow inlets of the ocean; yet their inhabitants exercised little influence on its social and political fortunes. They had no sympathy with the manners, and little acquaintance with the language of the people; while the inhospitable and barren steppes of the peninsula never permitted the successful encroachment of their arms. But the dynasties of Hira and of the Ghassanides were native to Arabia, and composed of elements which blended with the Arab mind, or at least left their impression upon it. Both in warlike and social relations there was with them a close connection. it was through them that the Arabs communicated with the external world, and received their ideas of Europe as well as of Asia. Hira, moreover, since the fall in Yemen of the Himyar line, became the paramount power in Central Arabia, – a power whose supremacy was acknowledged by all. To this cause, and to the permanence and prosperity of its capital, it wasThe Hejaz chiefly by Ghassanide Court
owing that Hira enjoyed a larger political influence than the Ghassanide kingdom. But the latter, though inferior to the court of Hira in magnificence and stability, possessed, especially over the Western Arabs, a more important social power. It lay closer to the Hejaz, and in the direct line of its commerce. There was, therefore, with its prince and people a frequent interchange of civility both in casual visits at the court, and in the regular passage of the mercantile caravans through the country. It is to this quarter, therefore, that we must chiefly look for the external influences which moulded the opinions of Mecca and Medina 22.The Life of Mahomet, Volume I [Table of Contents]
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,08:01) bod Relations with the tribes of Central Arabia
famous Hariths who illustrated the fortunes of the dynasty. His wife Maria Dzat al Curtain, ” Mary of the ear-rings,” belonged to the Yemen tribe of Kinda; and the sister of Mary was married to the chief of the same tribe, Hojr Akil at Morar. It is not certain how this alliance was contracted; for we find Harith at war with the Bani Kinda, whose chief Amr al Macsur son of Hojr, he killed in battle. Harith at last perished in an encounter with Mundzir III., of Hira. Strange stories are related of the earringsThe famous earrings of his wife Maria
of his wife, which are proverbial as significant of inestimable value 10. According to some, she presented them either before or upon her adoption of Christianity to the temple at Mecca: according to others, they remained in possession of her descendants, and were worn by Jabala VI, when in 637 A.D., he visited Mecca to do homage to Omar.Two Arab chiefs mentioned by Roman historians: – Abu Carib, and Cays
The Roman historians notice, abont this time, two phylarchs who must have been distinct from the Bani Ghassan. One called Abo-Charib, (Aba Karib) received the chieftainship of the Arabs of Palestine, in exchange for “a country washed by the Red Sea.” 11 He assisted the Romans against the rebel Samaritans, and received in return 20,000 prisoners, whom he sold into Persia and Abyssinia. The other, Cays a prince of the Kinda, is also mentioned as having received an Arab principality from Justinian, about the year 536 12.Harith V. 530-572 A.D.
HARITH V., surnamed the Lame, is styled with satisfactory accuracy by Procopius, “Arethas, son of Gabala,” i.e. of Jabala III. He is celebrated for the honors showered upon him by Justinian who, in consideration of his doubtful aid against the Persians, conferred upon him the title of King 13, and the rank of Patrician.Treacherous assistance rendered to the Romans
In 531 A.D. he contributed to the defeat of Belisarius, by his “treacherous or cowardly desertion” at the battle of Callinicus 14. Ten years later, he assisted Belisarius in an inroad upon Mesopotamia, and by creating a diversion foiled the ambitious plans of Chosroes: but again he acted treacherously, and secured for himself the solo booty of a rich tract of country, while by false advices he beguiled the Romans, who long waited under a pestilential sun in the vain expectation of his return 15. The Arab historians are silent upon these exploits, but they relate an expedition against the Jews of Tayma and Khaibar.His visit to Constantinople 562 A.D.
The wars of Harith V., with Hira have already been related, under the reigns of Mundzir III. and Amr III 16. Harith visited Constantinople A.D. 562, to complain of the hostilities of Amr after the conclusion of peace, and to procure the recognition of his son Harith as his successor. It was towards the end of the reign of Harith the Lame that Mahomet was born.Harith the Less, 572-587 A.D.
Of HARITH THE LESS little is related, but that he obtained a victory oter Mundzir III., at Ayn Obugh; and indeed the kingdom of the Ghassanides does not henceforth occupy any distinguished place in the pages of history.Amr IV., Abu Shammir, 587-597 ; his patronage of Arab poets
The successor of this prince, Amr IV., surnamed ABU SHAMMIR, has been rendered illustrious by his patronage of the poets of Arabia. It was in his reign that Hassan ibn Thabit, the famous poet of Islam and friend of Mahomet, first appeared at the Ghassanide court, where he met his fellow poets Nabigha and Aleama, and began to enjoy the favor of a dynasty several of whom distinguished him by peculiar honors.Harith VII. 600-630 A.D.
From 600 to 630 A.D., the chief ruler of the Ghassanides was HARITH VII., son of Abu Shammir, whose residence appears to have been sometimes at Jabia, sometimes at Amman (Philadelphia), the capital of Balcua 17. In 629 A.D., Mahomet addressed to him a summons to embrace the cause of Islam, which he contemptuously refused, and shortly after died 18. Contemporaneously with Harith, and probably subordinate to him,The inferior governments of Ayham and Shurahbil
there reigned at Palmyra AYHAM son of Jabala; and there also existed other inferior governments, such as that of SHURAHBIL son of Jabala IV. at Maab and Muta, in Arabia Petrea 19.Wane of the Ghassanide kingdom prepares the way for Islam
Meanwhile the glory of the Ghassanide rule was departing. The inroads of the Persians, in the reign of Phocas and in the early years of Heraclius, bad given a shock from which it never recovered. It is remarked, even by a Mahometan writer, that the decadence of the race of Ghassan was preparing the way for the glories of the Arabian Prophet 20.Jabala VI. 630-637 A.D.
The last king of the race was JABALA VI., son of Ayham. Hassan the poet always spoke of this prince with a grateful affection; and although, on embracing Islam, he discontinued his visits to the Ghassanide court, he was stilt honoured by Jabala with special marks of friendship. During Abu Bakr's Caliphate, this prince took an active, but always unfortunate, part in opposing the inroads of the Moslem armies, and he shared in theGoes over to Islam, but subsequently recants
humiliation of the mournful day of Yarmuk. When Heraclius abandoned Syria, he joined Omar and professed to believe in Mahomet; but his faith in the new Prophet was neither deep nor lasting. On a fancied insult he recanted, and retired to Constantinople, where his name and his family long survived 21.The special influence exercised by Hira and the Ghassanide kingdom upon Central Arabia
The Arab race, secluded from the rest of the word by pathless deserts, a peninsular position, and the peculiarities of nomad life, has in all ages maintained an extraordinary freedom from the contamination either of foreign blood or foreign manners, and a singular independence both of mind and institutions. Egypt, Syria, Persia, and the Abyssinian kingdom of Axum, bordered closely upon Arabia, or were separated from it only by narrow inlets of the ocean; yet their inhabitants exercised little influence on its social and political fortunes. They had no sympathy with the manners, and little acquaintance with the language of the people; while the inhospitable and barren steppes of the peninsula never permitted the successful encroachment of their arms. But the dynasties of Hira and of the Ghassanides were native to Arabia, and composed of elements which blended with the Arab mind, or at least left their impression upon it. Both in warlike and social relations there was with them a close connection. it was through them that the Arabs communicated with the external world, and received their ideas of Europe as well as of Asia. Hira, moreover, since the fall in Yemen of the Himyar line, became the paramount power in Central Arabia, – a power whose supremacy was acknowledged by all. To this cause, and to the permanence and prosperity of its capital, it wasThe Hejaz chiefly by Ghassanide Court
owing that Hira enjoyed a larger political influence than the Ghassanide kingdom. But the latter, though inferior to the court of Hira in magnificence and stability, possessed, especially over the Western Arabs, a more important social power. It lay closer to the Hejaz, and in the direct line of its commerce. There was, therefore, with its prince and people a frequent interchange of civility both in casual visits at the court, and in the regular passage of the mercantile caravans through the country. It is to this quarter, therefore, that we must chiefly look for the external influences which moulded the opinions of Mecca and Medina 22.The Life
of Mahomet, Volume I [Table of Contents]
Who is Mohamet?Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,08:01) bod Relations with the tribes of Central Arabia
famous Hariths who illustrated the fortunes of the dynasty. His wife Maria Dzat al Curtain, ” Mary of the ear-rings,” belonged to the Yemen tribe of Kinda; and the sister of Mary was married to the chief of the same tribe, Hojr Akil at Morar. It is not certain how this alliance was contracted; for we find Harith at war with the Bani Kinda, whose chief Amr al Macsur son of Hojr, he killed in battle. Harith at last perished in an encounter with Mundzir III., of Hira. Strange stories are related of the earringsThe famous earrings of his wife Maria
of his wife, which are proverbial as significant of inestimable value 10. According to some, she presented them either before or upon her adoption of Christianity to the temple at Mecca: according to others, they remained in possession of her descendants, and were worn by Jabala VI, when in 637 A.D., he visited Mecca to do homage to Omar.Two Arab chiefs mentioned by Roman historians: – Abu Carib, and Cays
The Roman historians notice, abont this time, two phylarchs who must have been distinct from the Bani Ghassan. One called Abo-Charib, (Aba Karib) received the chieftainship of the Arabs of Palestine, in exchange for “a country washed by the Red Sea.” 11 He assisted the Romans against the rebel Samaritans, and received in return 20,000 prisoners, whom he sold into Persia and Abyssinia. The other, Cays a prince of the Kinda, is also mentioned as having received an Arab principality from Justinian, about the year 536 12.Harith V. 530-572 A.D.
HARITH V., surnamed the Lame, is styled with satisfactory accuracy by Procopius, “Arethas, son of Gabala,” i.e. of Jabala III. He is celebrated for the honors showered upon him by Justinian who, in consideration of his doubtful aid against the Persians, conferred upon him the title of King 13, and the rank of Patrician.Treacherous assistance rendered to the Romans
In 531 A.D. he contributed to the defeat of Belisarius, by his “treacherous or cowardly desertion” at the battle of Callinicus 14. Ten years later, he assisted Belisarius in an inroad upon Mesopotamia, and by creating a diversion foiled the ambitious plans of Chosroes: but again he acted treacherously, and secured for himself the solo booty of a rich tract of country, while by false advices he beguiled the Romans, who long waited under a pestilential sun in the vain expectation of his return 15. The Arab historians are silent upon these exploits, but they relate an expedition against the Jews of Tayma and Khaibar.His visit to Constantinople 562 A.D.
The wars of Harith V., with Hira have already been related, under the reigns of Mundzir III. and Amr III 16. Harith visited Constantinople A.D. 562, to complain of the hostilities of Amr after the conclusion of peace, and to procure the recognition of his son Harith as his successor. It was towards the end of the reign of Harith the Lame that Mahomet was born.Harith the Less, 572-587 A.D.
Of HARITH THE LESS little is related, but that he obtained a victory oter Mundzir III., at Ayn Obugh; and indeed the kingdom of the Ghassanides does not henceforth occupy any distinguished place in the pages of history.Amr IV., Abu Shammir, 587-597 ; his patronage of Arab poets
The successor of this prince, Amr IV., surnamed ABU SHAMMIR, has been rendered illustrious by his patronage of the poets of Arabia. It was in his reign that Hassan ibn Thabit, the famous poet of Islam and friend of Mahomet, first appeared at the Ghassanide court, where he met his fellow poets Nabigha and Aleama, and began to enjoy the favor of a dynasty several of whom distinguished him by peculiar honors.Harith VII. 600-630 A.D.
From 600 to 630 A.D., the chief ruler of the Ghassanides was HARITH VII., son of Abu Shammir, whose residence appears to have been sometimes at Jabia, sometimes at Amman (Philadelphia), the capital of Balcua 17. In 629 A.D., Mahomet addressed to him a summons to embrace the cause of Islam, which he contemptuously refused, and shortly after died 18. Contemporaneously with Harith, and probably subordinate to him,The inferior governments of Ayham and Shurahbil
there reigned at Palmyra AYHAM son of Jabala; and there also existed other inferior governments, such as that of SHURAHBIL son of Jabala IV. at Maab and Muta, in Arabia Petrea 19.Wane of the Ghassanide kingdom prepares the way for Islam
Meanwhile the glory of the Ghassanide rule was departing. The inroads of the Persians, in the reign of Phocas and in the early years of Heraclius, bad given a shock from which it never recovered. It is remarked, even by a Mahometan writer, that the decadence of the race of Ghassan was preparing the way for the glories of the Arabian Prophet 20.Jabala VI. 630-637 A.D.
The last king of the race was JABALA VI., son of Ayham. Hassan the poet always spoke of this prince with a grateful affection; and although, on embracing Islam, he discontinued his visits to the Ghassanide court, he was stilt honoured by Jabala with special marks of friendship. During Abu Bakr's Caliphate, this prince took an active, but always unfortunate, part in opposing the inroads of the Moslem armies, and he shared in theGoes over to Islam, but subsequently recants
humiliation of the mournful day of Yarmuk. When Heraclius abandoned Syria, he joined Omar and professed to believe in Mahomet; but his faith in the new Prophet was neither deep nor lasting. On a fancied insult he recanted, and retired to Constantinople, where his name and his family long survived 21.The special influence exercised by Hira and the Ghassanide kingdom upon Central Arabia
The Arab race, secluded from the rest of the word by pathless deserts, a peninsular position, and the peculiarities of nomad life, has in all ages maintained an extraordinary freedom from the contamination either of foreign blood or foreign manners, and a singular independence both of mind and institutions. Egypt, Syria, Persia, and the Abyssinian kingdom of Axum, bordered closely upon Arabia, or were separated from it only by narrow inlets of the ocean; yet their inhabitants exercised little influence on its social and political fortunes. They had no sympathy with the manners, and little acquaintance with the language of the people; while the inhospitable and barren steppes of the peninsula never permitted the successful encroachment of their arms. But the dynasties of Hira and of the Ghassanides were native to Arabia, and composed of elements which blended with the Arab mind, or at least left their impression upon it. Both in warlike and social relations there was with them a close connection. it was through them that the Arabs communicated with the external world, and received their ideas of Europe as well as of Asia. Hira, moreover, since the fall in Yemen of the Himyar line, became the paramount power in Central Arabia, – a power whose supremacy was acknowledged by all. To this cause, and to the permanence and prosperity of its capital, it wasThe Hejaz chiefly by Ghassanide Court
owing that Hira enjoyed a larger political influence than the Ghassanide kingdom. But the latter, though inferior to the court of Hira in magnificence and stability, possessed, especially over the Western Arabs, a more important social power. It lay closer to the Hejaz, and in the direct line of its commerce. There was, therefore, with its prince and people a frequent interchange of civility both in casual visits at the court, and in the regular passage of the mercantile caravans through the country. It is to this quarter, therefore, that we must chiefly look for the external influences which moulded the opinions of Mecca and Medina 22.The Life
of Mahomet, Volume I [Table of Contents]
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MahometFrontispiece of the 1753 edition
Written by Voltaire
Characters Mahomet, founder of Islam
Zopir, leader of Mecca
Omar, general and lieutenant to Mahomet
Seid, Zopir's son, abducted and enslaved by Mahomet
Palmira, Zopir's daughter, abducted and enslaved by Mahomet
Phanor, senator of Mecca
Meccan tribes
Mahomet's followers
Date premiered 25 April 1741
Place premiered Lille, France
Original language French
Subject Religious fanaticism
Genre TragedyMahomet (French: Le fanatisme, ou Mahomet le Prophete, literally Fanaticism, or Mahomet the Prophet) is a five-act tragedy written in 1736 by French playwright and philosopher Voltaire. It received its debut performance in Lille on 25 April 1741.
The play is a study of religious fanaticism and self-serving manipulation based on an episode in the traditional biography of Muhammad in which he orders the murder of his critics.[1] Voltaire described the play as “written in opposition to the founder of a false and barbarous sect to whom could I with more propriety inscribe a satire on the cruelty and errors of a false prophet”.[2]
This was a religious propoganda play totally made up hence the use of the word “Mohamet” which has nothing to do with the actual Muhammad
In 2005, a production of the play in Saint-Genis-Pouilly, Ain, France, resulted in demands for cancellation and street disturbances outside the performance itself.[11]
However, like often in Voltaire’s texts, it was indeed not Islam that was the plot about, but Christianity. His aim when writing the text was to condemn “the intolerance of the Church and the crimes that have been committed in the name of the Christ”.[12
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famous Hariths who illustrated the fortunes of the dynasty. His wife Maria Dzat al Curtain, ” Mary of the ear-rings,” belonged to the Yemen tribe of Kinda; and the sister of Mary was married to the chief of the same tribe, Hojr Akil at Morar. It is not certain how this alliance was contracted; for we find Harith at war with the Bani Kinda, whose chief Amr al Macsur son of Hojr, he killed in battle. Harith at last perished in an encounter with Mundzir III., of Hira. Strange stories are related of the earringsThe famous earrings of his wife Maria
of his wife, which are proverbial as significant of inestimable value 10. According to some, she presented them either before or upon her adoption of Christianity to the temple at Mecca: according to others, they remained in possession of her descendants, and were worn by Jabala VI, when in 637 A.D., he visited Mecca to do homage to Omar.Two Arab chiefs mentioned by Roman historians: – Abu Carib, and Cays
The Roman historians notice, abont this time, two phylarchs who must have been distinct from the Bani Ghassan. One called Abo-Charib, (Aba Karib) received the chieftainship of the Arabs of Palestine, in exchange for “a country washed by the Red Sea.” 11 He assisted the Romans against the rebel Samaritans, and received in return 20,000 prisoners, whom he sold into Persia and Abyssinia. The other, Cays a prince of the Kinda, is also mentioned as having received an Arab principality from Justinian, about the year 536 12.Harith V. 530-572 A.D.
HARITH V., surnamed the Lame, is styled with satisfactory accuracy by Procopius, “Arethas, son of Gabala,” i.e. of Jabala III. He is celebrated for the honors showered upon him by Justinian who, in consideration of his doubtful aid against the Persians, conferred upon him the title of King 13, and the rank of Patrician.Treacherous assistance rendered to the Romans
In 531 A.D. he contributed to the defeat of Belisarius, by his “treacherous or cowardly desertion” at the battle of Callinicus 14. Ten years later, he assisted Belisarius in an inroad upon Mesopotamia, and by creating a diversion foiled the ambitious plans of Chosroes: but again he acted treacherously, and secured for himself the solo booty of a rich tract of country, while by false advices he beguiled the Romans, who long waited under a pestilential sun in the vain expectation of his return 15. The Arab historians are silent upon these exploits, but they relate an expedition against the Jews of Tayma and Khaibar.His visit to Constantinople 562 A.D.
The wars of Harith V., with Hira have already been related, under the reigns of Mundzir III. and Amr III 16. Harith visited Constantinople A.D. 562, to complain of the hostilities of Amr after the conclusion of peace, and to procure the recognition of his son Harith as his successor. It was towards the end of the reign of Harith the Lame that Mahomet was born.Harith the Less, 572-587 A.D.
Of HARITH THE LESS little is related, but that he obtained a victory oter Mundzir III., at Ayn Obugh; and indeed the kingdom of the Ghassanides does not henceforth occupy any distinguished place in the pages of history.Amr IV., Abu Shammir, 587-597 ; his patronage of Arab poets
The successor of this prince, Amr IV., surnamed ABU SHAMMIR, has been rendered illustrious by his patronage of the poets of Arabia. It was in his reign that Hassan ibn Thabit, the famous poet of Islam and friend of Mahomet, first appeared at the Ghassanide court, where he met his fellow poets Nabigha and Aleama, and began to enjoy the favor of a dynasty several of whom distinguished him by peculiar honors.Harith VII. 600-630 A.D.
From 600 to 630 A.D., the chief ruler of the Ghassanides was HARITH VII., son of Abu Shammir, whose residence appears to have been sometimes at Jabia, sometimes at Amman (Philadelphia), the capital of Balcua 17. In 629 A.D., Mahomet addressed to him a summons to embrace the cause of Islam, which he contemptuously refused, and shortly after died 18. Contemporaneously with Harith, and probably subordinate to him,The inferior governments of Ayham and Shurahbil
there reigned at Palmyra AYHAM son of Jabala; and there also existed other inferior governments, such as that of SHURAHBIL son of Jabala IV. at Maab and Muta, in Arabia Petrea 19.Wane of the Ghassanide kingdom prepares the way for Islam
Meanwhile the glory of the Ghassanide rule was departing. The inroads of the Persians, in the reign of Phocas and in the early years of Heraclius, bad given a shock from which it never recovered. It is remarked, even by a Mahometan writer, that the decadence of the race of Ghassan was preparing the way for the glories of the Arabian Prophet 20.Jabala VI. 630-637 A.D.
The last king of the race was JABALA VI., son of Ayham. Hassan the poet always spoke of this prince with a grateful affection; and although, on embracing Islam, he discontinued his visits to the Ghassanide court, he was stilt honoured by Jabala with special marks of friendship. During Abu Bakr's Caliphate, this prince took an active, but always unfortunate, part in opposing the inroads of the Moslem armies, and he shared in theGoes over to Islam, but subsequently recants
humiliation of the mournful day of Yarmuk. When Heraclius abandoned Syria, he joined Omar and professed to believe in Mahomet; but his faith in the new Prophet was neither deep nor lasting. On a fancied insult he recanted, and retired to Constantinople, where his name and his family long survived 21.The special influence exercised by Hira and the Ghassanide kingdom upon Central Arabia
The Arab race, secluded from the rest of the word by pathless deserts, a peninsular position, and the peculiarities of nomad life, has in all ages maintained an extraordinary freedom from the contamination either of foreign blood or foreign manners, and a singular independence both of mind and institutions. Egypt, Syria, Persia, and the Abyssinian kingdom of Axum, bordered closely upon Arabia, or were separated from it only by narrow inlets of the ocean; yet their inhabitants exercised little influence on its social and political fortunes. They had no sympathy with the manners, and little acquaintance with the language of the people; while the inhospitable and barren steppes of the peninsula never permitted the successful encroachment of their arms. But the dynasties of Hira and of the Ghassanides were native to Arabia, and composed of elements which blended with the Arab mind, or at least left their impression upon it. Both in warlike and social relations there was with them a close connection. it was through them that the Arabs communicated with the external world, and received their ideas of Europe as well as of Asia. Hira, moreover, since the fall in Yemen of the Himyar line, became the paramount power in Central Arabia, – a power whose supremacy was acknowledged by all. To this cause, and to the permanence and prosperity of its capital, it wasThe Hejaz chiefly by Ghassanide Court
owing that Hira enjoyed a larger political influence than the Ghassanide kingdom. But the latter, though inferior to the court of Hira in magnificence and stability, possessed, especially over the Western Arabs, a more important social power. It lay closer to the Hejaz, and in the direct line of its commerce. There was, therefore, with its prince and people a frequent interchange of civility both in casual visits at the court, an
d in the regular passage of the mercantile caravans through the country. It is to this quarter, therefore, that we must chiefly look for the external influences which moulded the opinions of Mecca and Medina 22.The Life of Mahomet, Volume I [Table of Contents]
Who is Mohamet?
bodMahomet is for Muhammad and history
you do not think that the English was the language spoken by the Arabs or do you ?
Pierre
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famous Hariths who illustrated the fortunes of the dynasty. His wife Maria Dzat al Curtain, ” Mary of the ear-rings,” belonged to the Yemen tribe of Kinda; and the sister of Mary was married to the chief of the same tribe, Hojr Akil at Morar. It is not certain how this alliance was contracted; for we find Harith at war with the Bani Kinda, whose chief Amr al Macsur son of Hojr, he killed in battle. Harith at last perished in an encounter with Mundzir III., of Hira. Strange stories are related of the earringsThe famous earrings of his wife Maria
of his wife, which are proverbial as significant of inestimable value 10. According to some, she presented them either before or upon her adoption of Christianity to the temple at Mecca: according to others, they remained in possession of her descendants, and were worn by Jabala VI, when in 637 A.D., he visited Mecca to do homage to Omar.Two Arab chiefs mentioned by Roman historians: – Abu Carib, and Cays
The Roman historians notice, abont this time, two phylarchs who must have been distinct from the Bani Ghassan. One called Abo-Charib, (Aba Karib) received the chieftainship of the Arabs of Palestine, in exchange for “a country washed by the Red Sea.” 11 He assisted the Romans against the rebel Samaritans, and received in return 20,000 prisoners, whom he sold into Persia and Abyssinia. The other, Cays a prince of the Kinda, is also mentioned as having received an Arab principality from Justinian, about the year 536 12.Harith V. 530-572 A.D.
HARITH V., surnamed the Lame, is styled with satisfactory accuracy by Procopius, “Arethas, son of Gabala,” i.e. of Jabala III. He is celebrated for the honors showered upon him by Justinian who, in consideration of his doubtful aid against the Persians, conferred upon him the title of King 13, and the rank of Patrician.Treacherous assistance rendered to the Romans
In 531 A.D. he contributed to the defeat of Belisarius, by his “treacherous or cowardly desertion” at the battle of Callinicus 14. Ten years later, he assisted Belisarius in an inroad upon Mesopotamia, and by creating a diversion foiled the ambitious plans of Chosroes: but again he acted treacherously, and secured for himself the solo booty of a rich tract of country, while by false advices he beguiled the Romans, who long waited under a pestilential sun in the vain expectation of his return 15. The Arab historians are silent upon these exploits, but they relate an expedition against the Jews of Tayma and Khaibar.His visit to Constantinople 562 A.D.
The wars of Harith V., with Hira have already been related, under the reigns of Mundzir III. and Amr III 16. Harith visited Constantinople A.D. 562, to complain of the hostilities of Amr after the conclusion of peace, and to procure the recognition of his son Harith as his successor. It was towards the end of the reign of Harith the Lame that Mahomet was born.Harith the Less, 572-587 A.D.
Of HARITH THE LESS little is related, but that he obtained a victory oter Mundzir III., at Ayn Obugh; and indeed the kingdom of the Ghassanides does not henceforth occupy any distinguished place in the pages of history.Amr IV., Abu Shammir, 587-597 ; his patronage of Arab poets
The successor of this prince, Amr IV., surnamed ABU SHAMMIR, has been rendered illustrious by his patronage of the poets of Arabia. It was in his reign that Hassan ibn Thabit, the famous poet of Islam and friend of Mahomet, first appeared at the Ghassanide court, where he met his fellow poets Nabigha and Aleama, and began to enjoy the favor of a dynasty several of whom distinguished him by peculiar honors.Harith VII. 600-630 A.D.
From 600 to 630 A.D., the chief ruler of the Ghassanides was HARITH VII., son of Abu Shammir, whose residence appears to have been sometimes at Jabia, sometimes at Amman (Philadelphia), the capital of Balcua 17. In 629 A.D., Mahomet addressed to him a summons to embrace the cause of Islam, which he contemptuously refused, and shortly after died 18. Contemporaneously with Harith, and probably subordinate to him,The inferior governments of Ayham and Shurahbil
there reigned at Palmyra AYHAM son of Jabala; and there also existed other inferior governments, such as that of SHURAHBIL son of Jabala IV. at Maab and Muta, in Arabia Petrea 19.Wane of the Ghassanide kingdom prepares the way for Islam
Meanwhile the glory of the Ghassanide rule was departing. The inroads of the Persians, in the reign of Phocas and in the early years of Heraclius, bad given a shock from which it never recovered. It is remarked, even by a Mahometan writer, that the decadence of the race of Ghassan was preparing the way for the glories of the Arabian Prophet 20.Jabala VI. 630-637 A.D.
The last king of the race was JABALA VI., son of Ayham. Hassan the poet always spoke of this prince with a grateful affection; and although, on embracing Islam, he discontinued his visits to the Ghassanide court, he was stilt honoured by Jabala with special marks of friendship. During Abu Bakr's Caliphate, this prince took an active, but always unfortunate, part in opposing the inroads of the Moslem armies, and he shared in theGoes over to Islam, but subsequently recants
humiliation of the mournful day of Yarmuk. When Heraclius abandoned Syria, he joined Omar and professed to believe in Mahomet; but his faith in the new Prophet was neither deep nor lasting. On a fancied insult he recanted, and retired to Constantinople, where his name and his family long survived 21.The special influence exercised by Hira and the Ghassanide kingdom upon Central Arabia
The Arab race, secluded from the rest of the word by pathless deserts, a peninsular position, and the peculiarities of nomad life, has in all ages maintained an extraordinary freedom from the contamination either of foreign blood or foreign manners, and a singular independence both of mind and institutions. Egypt, Syria, Persia, and the Abyssinian kingdom of Axum, bordered closely upon Arabia, or were separated from it only by narrow inlets of the ocean; yet their inhabitants exercised little influence on its social and political fortunes. They had no sympathy with the manners, and little acquaintance with the language of the people; while the inhospitable and barren steppes of the peninsula never permitted the successful encroachment of their arms. But the dynasties of Hira and of the Ghassanides were native to Arabia, and composed of elements which blended with the Arab mind, or at least left their impression upon it. Both in warlike and social relations there was with them a close connection. it was through them that the Arabs communicated with the external world, and received their ideas of Europe as well as of Asia. Hira, moreover, since the fall in Yemen of the Himyar line, became the paramount power in Central Arabia, – a power whose supremacy was acknowledged by all. To this cause, and to the permanence and prosperity of its capital, it wasThe Hejaz chiefly by Ghassanide Court
owing that Hira enjoyed a larger political influence than the Ghassanide kingdom. But the latter, though inferior to the court of Hira in magnificence and stability, possessed, especially over the Western Arabs, a more important social power. It lay closer to the Hejaz, and in the direct line of its commerce. There was, therefore, with its prince and people a frequent interchange of civility both in casual visits at the court, an
d in the regular passage of the mercantile caravans through the country. It is to this quarter, therefore, that we must chiefly look for the external influences which moulded the opinions of Mecca and Medina 22.The Life of Mahomet, Volume I [Table of Contents]
TerricaYou have ben duped all that you read was part of a play not an actual biography:
Mahomet (play)DuckDuckGoYahooAmazonTwitterdel.icio.us
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MahometFrontispiece of the 1753 edition
Written by Voltaire
Characters Mahomet, founder of Islam
Zopir, leader of Mecca
Omar, general and lieutenant to Mahomet
Seid, Zopir's son, abducted and enslaved by Mahomet
Palmira, Zopir's daughter, abducted and enslaved by Mahomet
Phanor, senator of Mecca
Meccan tribes
Mahomet's followers
Date premiered 25 April 1741
Place premiered Lille, France
Original language French
Subject Religious fanaticism
Genre TragedyMahomet (French: Le fanatisme, ou Mahomet le Prophete, literally Fanaticism, or Mahomet the Prophet) is a five-act tragedy written in 1736 by French playwright and philosopher Voltaire. It received its debut performance in Lille on 25 April 1741.
The play is a study of religious fanaticism and self-serving manipulation based on an episode in the traditional biography of Muhammad in which he orders the murder of his critics.[1] Voltaire described the play as “written in opposition to the founder of a false and barbarous sect to whom could I with more propriety inscribe a satire on the cruelty and errors of a false prophet”.[2]
This was a religious propoganda play totally made up hence the use of the word “Mohamet” which has nothing to do with the actual Muhammad
bodbod
was that play ,played on location?
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